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Is faking an injury to allow clock stoppage/substitutions considered gamesmanship or cheating?

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Faking Injuries: Gamesmanship or Cheating?
« on: September 21, 2011, 11:14:36 AM »

Offline Donoghus

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I'm sure by this point, most of you have either watched replays or read about the "injuries" that occurred in the Monday Night Football game.

Depending on what your eyes and head tells you, some might say that these "injuries" were simply faked in order to slow down a high tempo offense and give the defense a breather. 

So the question here, is faking injuries a sign of gamesmanship in football or is it a form of cheating since its an excuse to get the clock stopped and stop momentum without calling a timeout while also allowing a team to make substitutions?


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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 11:30:45 AM »

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I don't like it, but I don't view it as cheating. I view it as legal gamesmanship, given the rules. If there is enough uproar over it, the NFL could change the rules, making the injured player sit out not just the next play, but the remainder of the quarter, or something like that.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 11:33:58 AM »

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I'm sure by this point, most of you have either watched replays or read about the "injuries" that occurred in the Monday Night Football game.

Depending on what your eyes and head tells you, some might say that these "injuries" were simply faked in order to slow down a high tempo offense and give the defense a breather. 

So the question here, is faking injuries a sign of gamesmanship in football or is it a form of cheating since its an excuse to get the clock stopped and stop momentum without calling a timeout while also allowing a team to make substitutions?

I found Marcellus Wiley's whole rant on this....How he'd attack Tony Romo..etc sickening.  Speaks to his character.

It's cheating....But I guess it depends on who's ox is getting gored.

It'll be interesting to get opinions on this....Because a lot of the people who post think that when Glenn Davis flops 2-3 times a game that it's gamesmanship similar to this.

But many of those same people think it's cheating when Derek Jeter pretends to be hit by a pitch.  

I think the most interesting thing will be to see how Goodell and the rules committee deal with it.

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 11:56:02 AM »

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They will not do anything with this because they need to protect players when they do feel hurt or something is wrong.  Otherwise, we will see more players trying to drag themselves off the field when they should just be down.

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 12:19:09 PM »

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  I thought that they charged a timeout for defensive injuries.

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  I thought that they charged a timeout for defensive injuries.



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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 12:35:32 PM »

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Re: Faking Injuries: Gamesmanship or Cheating?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 12:47:40 PM »

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its pretty pathetic IMO...but so is d.wade falling to the ground like he just got shot anytime someone comes near him...

you saw it in the chargers/pats game too with players calling down, and back out there on the next play. Heck, brady stood over one fake injured player..

its something that I think is just hard to prove...but something has to be done about it before it starts to become widespread IMO

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 01:11:47 PM »

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its pretty pathetic IMO...but so is d.wade falling to the ground like he just got shot anytime someone comes near him...

you saw it in the chargers/pats game too with players calling down, and back out there on the next play. Heck, brady stood over one fake injured player..

its something that I think is just hard to prove...but something has to be done about it before it starts to become widespread IMO

Well, it will become widespread if Goodell takes Stern's approach to flopping...Setting policy that's never enforced.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 01:47:22 PM »

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I'm sure by this point, most of you have either watched replays or read about the "injuries" that occurred in the Monday Night Football game.

Depending on what your eyes and head tells you, some might say that these "injuries" were simply faked in order to slow down a high tempo offense and give the defense a breather. 

So the question here, is faking injuries a sign of gamesmanship in football or is it a form of cheating since its an excuse to get the clock stopped and stop momentum without calling a timeout while also allowing a team to make substitutions?
Its both, if they're blatantly faking I think the refs should flag them for unsportsmanlike conduct.

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2011, 09:20:41 PM »

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If I were an opposing coach I'd pull my strongest RB or TE over and tell him "Next play you're going to get the catch on the sideline. I want you to go out of bounds and "accidentally" slam yourself into the defensive coordinator or possibly their quarterback as hard as you possibly can".

End this stuff real quick.  So my vote goes to gamesmanship. I can play games too.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 09:42:58 PM »

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Not cheating if the rules don't expressly forbid it and the general customs of the game allow, facilitate, or even encourage it.

Does that mean it's sportsmanlike?  Of course not.
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2011, 10:31:55 PM »

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I'm sure by this point, most of you have either watched replays or read about the "injuries" that occurred in the Monday Night Football game.

Depending on what your eyes and head tells you, some might say that these "injuries" were simply faked in order to slow down a high tempo offense and give the defense a breather. 

So the question here, is faking injuries a sign of gamesmanship in football or is it a form of cheating since its an excuse to get the clock stopped and stop momentum without calling a timeout while also allowing a team to make substitutions?
Its both, if they're blatantly faking I think the refs should flag them for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 I agree with this. I can't believe not a single referee saw that.

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 11:13:21 PM »

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Not cheating if the rules don't expressly forbid it and the general customs of the game allow, facilitate, or even encourage it.

Does that mean it's sportsmanlike?  Of course not.

This I agree with.
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