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Offline quidinqui33

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Very interesting...we might be close than we think to getting this thing done.  I'm sure Holt and others will put Gilbert in his place.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/6973675/nba-lockout-derek-fisher-los-angeles-lakers-emails-players-says-owners-rift

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 04:55:43 PM »

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To Each & Every Player,

After the latest round of meetings, I thought it would be best to update you personally as to where the leadership of the National Basketball Players Association stands, where the negotiations stand where we are headed and the reasons why.

Without a doubt, someone will be leaking this. I know it. The moment you read this you will know it. So, I say all with the fullest transparency.

I was elected as your President. By you. For you. I take great pride and am honored to serve the over 400 members of our association. I and our Executive Committee take this job and this role seriously and will not agree to an unfair deal on behalf of you and our players. Period.

I'm not looking out just for the marquee guy, I'm looking out for the guy that dreams of being a professional basketball player and gets a minimum deal. I'm not just trying to protect the guy on a team in a huge market. I'm protecting the player that is in a small market with incredibly loyal fans.

I've made it clear, I want to play. You have each made it clear, you want to play. The fans have been unwavering, they want their basketball. The thousand of employees that work in the arenas, the ticket offices, the concession stands, they want a season. We all want to go back to work.

The league and the team owners have locked us out. This was not our choice. Our employers decided to stop allowing us to do our jobs.

My job since July 1st is to find a solution. To find an outcome that protects each of you and your livelihoods and continues to allow us to play the game we love so much and the fans love supporting.

Since before the lockout began, I have spent hours upon hours, days, months, years, working on preparing you, the fans and the media about the possibilities. Now as the lockout has set in, reality of the situation is here.

The most recent meetings in New York were effective. What you have been told by your agents, representatives and the media is probably speculative and inaccurate.

What actually happened in those meetings was discussion, brainstorming and a sharing of options by both sides. The turning point this past Tuesday was not a disagreement between the players and the owners. It was actually a fundamental divide between the owners internally. They could not agree with each other on specific points of the deal and therefore it caused conflict within the league and its owners.

So it is our hope that today, Thursday, at the owners meeting in Dallas that they work out their differences, come up with a revenue sharing plan that will protect their teams and are then ready to come together and sign off on the agreement we as a smaller group deemed reasonable.

Decertification seems to be a hot button issue today in the media. So I'd like to address it. I've read yesterday's stories and find the position of these agents interesting. I have made myself available to each and every agent. But not once have I heard from them. If they are so concerned about the direction of the union, then why have they not contacted me? Each and every one of them mentioned has been in meetings with me. I've answered their questions, I've been told they support you, their players and our Players Association. So if there is a genuine concern, a suggestion, a question, call me. Email me. Text me. I'm working tirelessly each and every day on behalf of the over 400 players that they represent. Working for nothing but the best interests of THEIR guys. I don't make a commission, I don't make a salary for serving as President. I have NO ulterior motives. None.

It is because they have not come to me once that I question their motives.

I work every day on these negotiations. I work so that each player from Blake Griffin to Tyler Hansbrough, Pau Gasol to De'Andre Jordan, Dwight Howard to Jrue Holiday, Taj Gibson to Danny Granger, Steve Nash to Luke Babbit and every single player get a fair and reasonable deal. Not just for this year, not just for next year but for years to come. So that the league that WE the players largely helped build, continues to grow and thrive.

So to address the agents that have decided to say their piece yesterday, I don't mind. Perhaps they are trying to make news. Perhaps they just want to show you, their clients, they are working hard. But what would be appreciated by the 400+ players would be the support of our agents and constructive ideas, suggestions and solutions that are in our best interests. Not the push for a drastic move that leaves their players without a union, without pensions, without health care. We just aren't there.

I will remain committed to finding resolution to this because I know how important this is. I ask you to remain united with me and your over 400 allies, friends, brothers and colleagues. We are a powerful group if we remain united and focused on the task at hand.

I urge every single one of you to call me, text me, email me with anything. An idea, a suggestion, a concern, a question. I represent you. I work for you.

So to each player, each fan, each agent, each media member who ends up reading this...I stand behind this message. It comes from me, a 15 year veteran of basketball, the game I dreamt of playing as a kid, the game I love so much. I'm a teammate, I'm a father, I'm a son, I'm a husband, I'm a brother, but right now, the role I must work so hard to honor is the one as PA President. And I ask each of you to stand with me, stand by me and urge the league and the owners to come together and allow the game of basketball to continue to grow and thrive. We're ready.

Sincerely,

Derek

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Re: Fisher e-mail leaked on ESPN: Claims owners are disagreeing with each other
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 05:33:11 PM »

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No surprise really; you're never going to get 100% vote.

But when the owners left the players to meet among themselves for around three hours, Cleveland's Dan Gilbert and Phoenix's Robert Sarver expressed their dissatisfaction with many of the points, sources said. The sources said that the Knicks' James Dolan and the Lakers' Jerry Buss were visibly annoyed by the hardline demands of Gilbert and Sarver.
 
You've got the teams in strong markets who are profitable wanting to get any deal done, and the smaller market teams who are struggling and looking to fight this issue tooth and nail.

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 06:00:17 PM »

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Gilbert, Sarver & the rest of the hardliners are being short-sighted.

They need to extract money from their fellow owners, not the players. They need to be laser focused on instituting a Code on Good Governance, revenue-sharing and debt limits to individual teams not on wage suppression. Otherwise it's a matter of time they're in trouble again.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 06:07:57 PM »

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Gilbert, Sarver & the rest of the hardliners are being short-sighted.

They need to extract money from their fellow owners, not the players.

Revenue sharing is an option, but I wonder how guys like Buss and Dolan feel about it.  Buss is going to argue he's worked hard to build HIS franchise, and that hard work shouldn't freely flow to teams that are less successful.  I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that stance, but any way you look at the sitauation there is going to be some divide.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2011, 07:04:00 PM »

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2011, 07:25:22 PM »

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

After what Fisher did to the Jazz....I wouldn't take his word for anything.

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

Donald Sterling just told you to put down the fork and give him some credit.

But yeah, this is...sort of encouraging?  I guess?  Oh well, at least it's news.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2011, 07:43:41 PM »

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

Donald Sterling just told you to put down the fork and give him some credit.

But yeah, this is...sort of encouraging?  I guess?  Oh well, at least it's news.

LOL....Who does one trust more....Fisher or Sterling?

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

I don't know how you can look at it that way.

The fact that there are divides between separate factions of owners, not just between the owners and the players (which, by the way, is not really a revelation), just sounds to me like there are more barriers to an agreement.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 12:19:54 AM »

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

I don't know how you can look at it that way.

The fact that there are divides between separate factions of owners, not just between the owners and the players (which, by the way, is not really a revelation), just sounds to me like there are more barriers to an agreement.

There's some propoganda in there for sure, but what Fisher's saying is that they could've had a CBA done if it wasn't for Dan Gilbert & Robert Sarver.

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 02:00:51 AM »

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well, from the new article on ESPN, seems like the owners are all in agreeance with having a hard cap...and apparantly wanted to let players keep their current salaries

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 06:44:00 AM »

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

After what Fisher did to the Jazz....I wouldn't take his word for anything.
what you mean tell the Jazz he needed to move to a bigger city for his daughters well being and then actually move to a bigger city.  What ****.
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I just re-read the email and now I'm picturing Fisher saying this and then immediately flopping to the floor and rolling around in fake pain.    ;D

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2011, 12:28:32 PM »

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If you take Fisher for his word here, and that's a pretty gray area, doesn't it seem like we're close? The leagues two most hated owners are throwing a hissy fit because they want more money?

I don't know how you can look at it that way.

The fact that there are divides between separate factions of owners, not just between the owners and the players (which, by the way, is not really a revelation), just sounds to me like there are more barriers to an agreement.

There's some propoganda in there for sure, but what Fisher's saying is that they could've had a CBA done if it wasn't for Dan Gilbert & Robert Sarver.
The other way to take it is that there's a couple of big-team owners dividing from the rest of the pack.