Wow. Tedy Bruschi just castrated Ochocinco

[Eja117]

Then you'd try to apply this same logic to Peyton Manning. He'd go out and get beat like 48-3 in the snow at Foxboro and people would say he's the best QB. And then you'd be like "Wait a minute. Did he win? No. Does Brady have the better WRs over Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? No. Does he have a better TE than Dallas Clark? No. Does he have as many Pro Bowl offensive linemen? no. Does he have a Pro Bowl RB? No. Does he have a better DE than Dwight Freeney? No. So how is Peyton better? Well he threw for more TDs."

  I don't really disagree with your point, but I don't think it's the apples to apples comparison that you do. It's true that Manning had more weapons on offense, but you'd have to wonder whether Brady would have the same success playing against the Pats defense and coaches that he had playing against the Colts defense and coaches. I'd guess he's be generally less successful under those circumstances.

Well this brings us to a highly philosophical point about apples. I'd say depending on how you use the apples if the apples from one orchard go into a pie that wins all the awards those are better apples than the ones that go to the expensive supper market and don't get eaten even if they had better access to good pesticide and everything, but now we're talking apples and oranges.

[BballTim]

Then you'd try to apply this same logic to Peyton Manning. He'd go out and get beat like 48-3 in the snow at Foxboro and people would say he's the best QB. And then you'd be like "Wait a minute. Did he win? No. Does Brady have the better WRs over Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? No. Does he have a better TE than Dallas Clark? No. Does he have as many Pro Bowl offensive linemen? no. Does he have a Pro Bowl RB? No. Does he have a better DE than Dwight Freeney? No. So how is Peyton better? Well he threw for more TDs."

  I don't really disagree with your point, but I don't think it's the apples to apples comparison that you do. It's true that Manning had more weapons on offense, but you'd have to wonder whether Brady would have the same success playing against the Pats defense and coaches that he had playing against the Colts defense and coaches. I'd guess he's be generally less successful under those circumstances.

Well this brings us to a highly philosophical point about apples. I'd say depending on how you use the apples if the apples from one orchard go into a pie that wins all the awards those are better apples than the ones that go to the expensive supper market and don't get eaten even if they had better access to good pesticide and everything, but now we're talking apples and oranges.

  So then what if the pie doesn't win awards but sickens the judges? Does the uneaten apple become better than the one that goes in a pie that tastes like vinegar and worms? Does that mean that whether the uneaten apple's better or worse than other apples is unrelated to how good it tastes? Does it mean that the apple in the pie is better or worse regardless of how good it tastes because it's in a pie with other ingredients that are either tasty or rancid?

[Witch-King]

I'm a Cincinnatian and thus a Bengals fan, so I have to admit that Ocho Cinco's decision to leave was a little disappointing, as well as expected.

 Right now I'm favoring Randy Moss' debut with the New England Patriots over Ocho Cinco's in terms of 'star reciever' performance, though Tom Brady seems poised to have another stellar season, throwing for 500+ yards on Monday. I tend to agree with Buschi's comments about Chad's Twittering -- Ocho Cinco needs to get on board in order to contribute to the Patriots' offense in the upcoming weeks before he starts making light of the situation via Twitter.com.

Either way, the Cincinnati Bengals are 1-0 heading into the second week of the season. It wasn't a flashy win, but it was more than I expected.

[BballTim]

I'm a Cincinnatian and thus a Bengals fan, so I have to admit that Ocho Cinco's decision to leave was a little disappointing, as well as expected.

 Right now I'm favoring Randy Moss' debut with the New England Patriots over Ocho Cinco's in terms of 'star reciever' performance, though Tom Brady seems poised to have another stellar season, throwing for 500+ yards on Monday. I tend to agree with Buschi's comments about Chad's Twittering -- Ocho Cinco needs to get on board in order to contribute to the Patriots' offense in the upcoming weeks before he starts making light of the situation via Twitter.com.

Either way, the Cincinnati Bengals are 1-0 heading into the second week of the season. It wasn't a flashy win, but it was more than I expected.

  Just out of curiosity, and since you're a Bengal's fan, what's going on with Carson Palmer?

[Finkelskyhook]

I'm a Cincinnatian and thus a Bengals fan, so I have to admit that Ocho Cinco's decision to leave was a little disappointing, as well as expected.

 Right now I'm favoring Randy Moss' debut with the New England Patriots over Ocho Cinco's in terms of 'star reciever' performance, though Tom Brady seems poised to have another stellar season, throwing for 500+ yards on Monday. I tend to agree with Buschi's comments about Chad's Twittering -- Ocho Cinco needs to get on board in order to contribute to the Patriots' offense in the upcoming weeks before he starts making light of the situation via Twitter.com.

Either way, the Cincinnati Bengals are 1-0 heading into the second week of the season. It wasn't a flashy win, but it was more than I expected.

Probably addition by subtraction for the Bengals.

[Witch-King]

  Just out of curiosity, and since you're a Bengal's fan, what's going on with Carson Palmer?

Carson Palmer retired during the offseason. He promised to retire this year if he couldn't get traded to another city like Ocho Cinco. Kinda young to be passing up that kind of cash if you ask me -- if Palmer would've stayed with the Bengals he' still be starting this season. It's better to get paid to lose in Cinci than just call it quits, imo. He (Palmer) and Ocho Cinco left the Cincinnati Bengals hanging out to dry   

[nickagneta]

I don't see what you are trying to say here eja.

By your theory Luc Longley, who started for three NBA championship teams, is a better center than dwight Howard, patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Hakeem Olajawon, EWilt Chamberlain and a host of other all-time greats and Hall of Fame centers because he has more rings than they do and was a starting center on three championship teams.

[Eja117]

Then you'd try to apply this same logic to Peyton Manning. He'd go out and get beat like 48-3 in the snow at Foxboro and people would say he's the best QB. And then you'd be like "Wait a minute. Did he win? No. Does Brady have the better WRs over Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? No. Does he have a better TE than Dallas Clark? No. Does he have as many Pro Bowl offensive linemen? no. Does he have a Pro Bowl RB? No. Does he have a better DE than Dwight Freeney? No. So how is Peyton better? Well he threw for more TDs."

  I don't really disagree with your point, but I don't think it's the apples to apples comparison that you do. It's true that Manning had more weapons on offense, but you'd have to wonder whether Brady would have the same success playing against the Pats defense and coaches that he had playing against the Colts defense and coaches. I'd guess he's be generally less successful under those circumstances.

Well this brings us to a highly philosophical point about apples. I'd say depending on how you use the apples if the apples from one orchard go into a pie that wins all the awards those are better apples than the ones that go to the expensive supper market and don't get eaten even if they had better access to good pesticide and everything, but now we're talking apples and oranges.

  So then what if the pie doesn't win awards but sickens the judges? Does the uneaten apple become better than the one that goes in a pie that tastes like vinegar and worms? Does that mean that whether the uneaten apple's better or worse than other apples is unrelated to how good it tastes? Does it mean that the apple in the pie is better or worse regardless of how good it tastes because it's in a pie with other ingredients that are either tasty or rancid?

Well is the uneaten apple from a farm that consistently wins awards? Does an uneaten apple in a forest still taste bad if nobody tastes it? Did it get on the cover of an apple video game? Did he come from an award winning batch? If every batch has a bad apple how do we know it's him only because he wasn't in a pie that sickened the judges?

[Eja117]

I don't see what you are trying to say here eja.

By your theory Luc Longley, who started for three NBA championship teams, is a better center than dwight Howard, patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Hakeem Olajawon, EWilt Chamberlain and a host of other all-time greats and Hall of Fame centers because he has more rings than they do and was a starting center on three championship teams.

Finally. Someone who understands me!  Because Tedy Bruschi was very very Luc Longleyish.  

And Mike Vrabel was kinda Ron Harper. He wasn't the one of the best of his era or anything. Who had the video game covers, but no rings or one whole ring at that time? Shawnee Merriman. Yep. Shawnee. He was John Stockton and Vrabel was Ron Harper.

Somehow this team of Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces always managed to kick the wazoo of Peyton Manning when nobody else could, but hey the sum is greater than the parts. 

[Eja117]

I saw Doug Flutie on tv yesterday. I got a warm feeling from it. Sometimes I infuriate myself.

[BballTim]

I don't see what you are trying to say here eja.

By your theory Luc Longley, who started for three NBA championship teams, is a better center than dwight Howard, patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Hakeem Olajawon, EWilt Chamberlain and a host of other all-time greats and Hall of Fame centers because he has more rings than they do and was a starting center on three championship teams.

Finally. Someone who understands me!  Because Tedy Bruschi was very very Luc Longleyish.  

And Mike Vrabel was kinda Ron Harper. He wasn't the one of the best of his era or anything. Who had the video game covers, but no rings or one whole ring at that time? Shawnee Merriman. Yep. Shawnee. He was John Stockton and Vrabel was Ron Harper.

Somehow this team of Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces always managed to kick the wazoo of Peyton Manning when nobody else could, but hey the sum is greater than the parts. 

  I don't think it's really a team *of* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces, but a team *with* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces. You're elevating the role players to the level of the stars of the teams, and comparing players based on how good their teammates were.

[Eja117]

I don't see what you are trying to say here eja.

By your theory Luc Longley, who started for three NBA championship teams, is a better center than dwight Howard, patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Hakeem Olajawon, EWilt Chamberlain and a host of other all-time greats and Hall of Fame centers because he has more rings than they do and was a starting center on three championship teams.

Finally. Someone who understands me!  Because Tedy Bruschi was very very Luc Longleyish.  

And Mike Vrabel was kinda Ron Harper. He wasn't the one of the best of his era or anything. Who had the video game covers, but no rings or one whole ring at that time? Shawnee Merriman. Yep. Shawnee. He was John Stockton and Vrabel was Ron Harper.

Somehow this team of Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces always managed to kick the wazoo of Peyton Manning when nobody else could, but hey the sum is greater than the parts.  

  I don't think it's really a team *of* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces, but a team *with* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces. You're elevating the role players to the level of the stars of the teams, and comparing players based on how good their teammates were.

and somehow this team with no Michael Jordans always managed to shut out and/or dominate the dream team Indy Colts and the Greatest Show on Turf, with no help other than SuperMan Brady, a Jedi Council coaching staff and a little spirit and help from the weather. It was a major miracle that lasted about 7 years or so.  

Pop quiz. In the early 2000s who do you think gave more nightmares to Peyton Manning? Ray Lewis or Tedy?  Dwight Freeney or Vrabel?  How about McGinnest?

It's a good thing that the Harpers and whatnot didn't stop the Pats from having the top ranked defense in 2003. Amazing really.

[BballTim]

I don't see what you are trying to say here eja.

By your theory Luc Longley, who started for three NBA championship teams, is a better center than dwight Howard, patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Hakeem Olajawon, EWilt Chamberlain and a host of other all-time greats and Hall of Fame centers because he has more rings than they do and was a starting center on three championship teams.

Finally. Someone who understands me!  Because Tedy Bruschi was very very Luc Longleyish.  

And Mike Vrabel was kinda Ron Harper. He wasn't the one of the best of his era or anything. Who had the video game covers, but no rings or one whole ring at that time? Shawnee Merriman. Yep. Shawnee. He was John Stockton and Vrabel was Ron Harper.

Somehow this team of Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces always managed to kick the wazoo of Peyton Manning when nobody else could, but hey the sum is greater than the parts.  

  I don't think it's really a team *of* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces, but a team *with* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces. You're elevating the role players to the level of the stars of the teams, and comparing players based on how good their teammates were.

and somehow this team with no Michael Jordans always managed to shut out and/or dominate the dream team Indy Colts and the Greatest Show on Turf, with no help other than SuperMan Brady, a Jedi Council coaching staff and a little spirit and help from the weather. It was a major miracle that lasted about 7 years or so.  

Pop quiz. In the early 2000s who do you think gave more nightmares to Peyton Manning? Ray Lewis or Tedy?  Dwight Freeney or Vrabel?  How about McGinnest?

It's a good thing that the Harpers and whatnot didn't stop the Pats from having the top ranked defense in 2003. Amazing really.

  What's really amazing is that you're ignoring that the Pats had players like Seymour, Law, Harrison and McGinest.

[Finkelskyhook]

lol

If a person wants to compare Bruschi to somebody like Robert Horry, a role player. Who like Bruschi, always came up big in crunch time...That's apples to apples.

A Harper, Kukoc, and (LOL...Are you kidding?) Longley comparison to Bruschi is absurd.

Regardless....What Bruschi said about Chad Johnson, from a Patriots perspective...In the famous words of Mona Lisa Vito...Is dead-on-balls accurate.

Just learn the system...Play the [dang]ed game..Shut up and win.

You ain't in Kansas anymore, Chad.  It ain't about you.

[Eja117]

I don't see what you are trying to say here eja.

By your theory Luc Longley, who started for three NBA championship teams, is a better center than dwight Howard, patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Hakeem Olajawon, EWilt Chamberlain and a host of other all-time greats and Hall of Fame centers because he has more rings than they do and was a starting center on three championship teams.

Finally. Someone who understands me!  Because Tedy Bruschi was very very Luc Longleyish.  

And Mike Vrabel was kinda Ron Harper. He wasn't the one of the best of his era or anything. Who had the video game covers, but no rings or one whole ring at that time? Shawnee Merriman. Yep. Shawnee. He was John Stockton and Vrabel was Ron Harper.

Somehow this team of Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces always managed to kick the wazoo of Peyton Manning when nobody else could, but hey the sum is greater than the parts.  

  I don't think it's really a team *of* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces, but a team *with* Harpers and Luc Longleys and Toni Kukoces. You're elevating the role players to the level of the stars of the teams, and comparing players based on how good their teammates were.

and somehow this team with no Michael Jordans always managed to shut out and/or dominate the dream team Indy Colts and the Greatest Show on Turf, with no help other than SuperMan Brady, a Jedi Council coaching staff and a little spirit and help from the weather. It was a major miracle that lasted about 7 years or so.  

Pop quiz. In the early 2000s who do you think gave more nightmares to Peyton Manning? Ray Lewis or Tedy?  Dwight Freeney or Vrabel?  How about McGinnest?

It's a good thing that the Harpers and whatnot didn't stop the Pats from having the top ranked defense in 2003. Amazing really.

  What's really amazing is that you're ignoring that the Pats had players like Seymour, Law, Harrison and McGinest.

Yeah. And these guys were always getting their due. They were always getting the accolades that non winners like Urlacher were getting. 

If Law was so good they could throw to the other side. Asante.  They could run to the other side. There's Ty Warren and Mike Vrabel. Try to go up the middle past Ted Washington and Teddy.

Who were the guys who weren't getting the job done and needed to be propped up?