Does Von Wafer have an opt-out clause?

[mgent]

He's a FA, but in the "Wafer to Italy" thread it says he did get an out clause.

On this list, he doesn't have an * after his name.

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/pages/nba-players-overseas-list-of-players-who-have-signed-abroad-during

Anybody know which it is?

[Chris]

No idea.  Although I would be curious to see how much the C's want him back.  He flashed a bit later in the year, but I wonder if they would prefer to bring in a veteran who is a little more reliable, and then keep the deep bench spots for guys like Moore.

[pearljammer10]

I dont think it really matters.

I like Wafer, probably more than a lot of other people do, but he is fairly easily replaceable. Hes probably making similar money in Italy and getting much more playing time. Good for him. Id love to have him back but if it doesnt work out I wont loose sleep over it.

[mgent]

No idea.  Although I would be curious to see how much the C's want him back.  He flashed a bit later in the year, but I wonder if they would prefer to bring in a veteran who is a little more reliable, and then keep the deep bench spots for guys like Moore.

I don't think he'd make any difference, but I also don't think we could find anyone that much better with the vet min.  I also don't think much of late 2nd round picks seeing as Ainge has traded them away almost every year.

He could easily be an average bench if he gets some consistent minutes.  We were lucky to get full seasons out of Ray and Paul last year.  Green could fill in for one of them now, but that leaves always injured DWest to backup 1-3 (assuming Danny spends the MLE on 4/5).

I'd stick with the guy who knows the system until you show me someone better.

[greenpride32]

For his type of salary range I'd like to have him back.  He didn't contribute much last year because Doc didn't play him.  But he definitley showed he can contribute when he got PT.  I don't believe his level of talent at his salary range is easily replacement.

[BballTim]

I dont think it really matters.

I like Wafer, probably more than a lot of other people do, but he is fairly easily replaceable. Hes probably making similar money in Italy and getting much more playing time. Good for him. Id love to have him back but if it doesnt work out I wont loose sleep over it.

  If they can upgrade the spot, fine. If not, it doesn't hurt to bring players like him back because we have limited ways to add players, might as well not waste them.

[Who]

Hoopshype has him listed without an opt out clause too.

http://hoopshype.com/overseas.htm

[Chris]

No idea.  Although I would be curious to see how much the C's want him back.  He flashed a bit later in the year, but I wonder if they would prefer to bring in a veteran who is a little more reliable, and then keep the deep bench spots for guys like Moore.

I don't think he'd make any difference, but I also don't think we could find anyone that much better with the vet min.  I also don't think much of late 2nd round picks seeing as Ainge has traded them away almost every year.

He could easily be an average bench if he gets some consistent minutes.  We were lucky to get full seasons out of Ray and Paul last year.  Green could fill in for one of them now, but that leaves always injured DWest to backup 1-3 (assuming Danny spends the MLE on 4/5).

I'd stick with the guy who knows the system until you show me someone better.

Well, I should have clarified, that I think there is a chance with the new CBA, lower and middle level players could be really squeezed, and we could see a lot of guys who would have gotten significantly more than the vet minimum in the past, getting the minimum.

I would not be the least bit surprised to see guys like Anthony Parker or Grant Hill playing for the minimum next year.  And, particularly if Danny is going to bring in young guys like Moore and/or that undrafted wing they have been rumored to be interested in, I could see them go for the more seasoned, and well rounded veterans, over a bit of a trick or treat player like Wafer. 

[CaptainJackLee]

FWIW, I recall reading that an opt-out clause was included in multiple news outlets, including Italian ones, when the deal was announced. I was a bit surprised.

He scored 22 points in the first pre-season game. Cremona is a good team for Von Wafer after the disaster with Olympiacos. A more free-wheeling, offensive minded and isolation based league and a team for which he can be a go-to scorer. This situation suits him better.

[kozlodoev]

Sorry, but who cares? Wafer seemed to be a model citizen while he was with us, but his impact as a basketball player was fringe, at best. I wish him luck with his new team, but I don't think he's the answer to any of our issues.

[cman88]

honestly, if avery bradley has more confidence and works on his shot abit, id rather see him take wafers minutes at backup 2...

hes more of a scoring guard than passing and if the celtics can let him be that, he could provide a nice spark off the bench ala JJ barea

[Inside-Out]

Choosing between players of relatively equal talent, I'll take the one that knows the system.

One of the difficulties that so many guys we've picked up off the scrap heap have had in getting minutes, IMO, is that not having the system in them as second nature meant they couldn't play much...too many execution errors.  Mid-season pickups haven't helped much since PJ Brown, and he was a pretty smart, very, very veteran player in perhaps the easiest spot to pick up in the defense.

On the wing, fitting in the system is equal to talent.  There should be a slight bias toward bringing back bench guys that have been cool in the locker room and know the system.

We actually could have used Scal quite a bit last year...like, with KG at center in a pinch.  And we were in a pinch.

[Yogi]

   Wafer's young and athletic, something we need.  He's got good size and can shoot.  He's been through a year with the Celtics, that is also important as we can have as few as 6 people returning from last year's roster.  He had a little fight with Delonte, celebrated after a missed dunk costing us a possession and thought of himself as a primarily offensive player, but he seemed to "get it" as the year went on.  His numbers were pretty depressing last year, and he wasn't very efficient in getting them either.  He has also never been back to the same team in all his years as a pro.  He's playing in Italy, doing well.  Wafer (20 pts) team recently beat Moore's (18 pts) team (without Scal but with Valanciunas (10 pts)) in a pre-season game. 
   Overall, I like the kid and would like to see him back.  Maybe it will help his confidence if he's back with the same team 2 years in a row.