Rank the worst moves in the past year

[Chris]

I find it hard to call getting rid of Semih a mistake until we see him do something this year, since he did nothing after being traded last season.

His performance while injured, and playing for the Cavs?  I'm comfortable calling the Semih trade a mistake just based on his performance before the trade.  'Gody was whatever, but trading away Semih was more or less the biggest unforced error this season.

My point was that he as injured.  I think Danny was well aware of how hurt he was at the time he traded him, and knew that he was not likely to contribute to the C's last season.

So, in order for it to be a bad trade for the C's, Semih is going to have to return to the NBA next year (I am not sure that is a given), and be an effective player. 

Now, I think we can absolutely call the signing of Murphy a mistake at this point, but I think the jury is still out on Semih, and whether he would have remained an asset to this team. 

[Interceptor]

Now, I think we can absolutely call the signing of Murphy a mistake at this point, but I think the jury is still out on Semih, and whether he would have remained an asset to this team.

I suspect that the jury will be out forever, by those standards.  Semih was improving before our eyes this past season, and none of his injuries sound career-ending to me.  We voided the warranty by sending him away from the Celtics, and to the worst team in the NBA, because I don't think anyone would argue that being on the Cavs is a net improvement to that rookie's chances to reach his potential.

Probably likely as not that he just goes home, and we'll never know for sure.

[Roy H.]

I find it hard to call getting rid of Semih a mistake until we see him do something this year, since he did nothing after being traded last season.

His performance while injured, and playing for the Cavs?  I'm comfortable calling the Semih trade a mistake just based on his performance before the trade.  'Gody was whatever, but trading away Semih was more or less the biggest unforced error this season.

My point was that he as injured.  I think Danny was well aware of how hurt he was at the time he traded him, and knew that he was not likely to contribute to the C's last season.

So, in order for it to be a bad trade for the C's, Semih is going to have to return to the NBA next year (I am not sure that is a given), and be an effective player. 

Now, I think we can absolutely call the signing of Murphy a mistake at this point, but I think the jury is still out on Semih, and whether he would have remained an asset to this team. 

Yeah, that's a fair point.  If Semih's injury holds him back from being the player he was last year, or if he returns to Turkey, then the trade doesn't hurt the Celts.

I think the kid is going to be a serviceable backup center in the NBA for a good five years, at least.  However, you're correct, it's too early to tell.

[2short]

I had to give a tommy pt for the perk=russ jr 

Health last year was the big thing.  If shaq stays healthy, JO comes back (and isn't injured again), rondo isn't hurt we walk through the nba.  Perk isn't needed, a hot nate might be more needed.  I like Perk but he is really overrated but a lot on this board.  If he could have added 10 or more rebounds with good low post defense than it would be easier to accept. 
Only move I didn't like, after the fact of Murphy stinking, is semih getting dropped.  What none of us know is how homesick he was or injured.  If he couldn't physically help us last year and we are in a win now mode than it makes sense.  If he was going to leave the nba for europe than better to do something.  I however liked his game and feel he could have been  a good player for us.

[tenn_smoothie]

I think this is a creative new way to defend Ainge.  There's no question about what the worst Celtics move was this season:  The Trade will go down one of the worst moves in NBA history.  What's truly astounding, though, more than The Trade itself is the near total lack of heat Danny has had to face.  One would think proud Celtic fans would be ticked off that he essentially gave up on the season.

thank you, Paul.

this is the dumbest thread of the season - are you kidding me ?

it's no contest - the team was never the same after Danny traded Banner 18 away to Okie City for a big, soft stiff and a lukewarm backup at the wing.

[Cman]

No question that in retrospect it was trading Perk.
But that's in retrospect.

At the time, it made a lot of sense to me (given his past injury, there was a big question about whether Perk would be ready to play again any time soon).

Of course, it ended up not mattering, because Miami gelled pretty well by the end of the season.  In other words, with or without Perk, the Cs wouldn't have beaten Miami in the post-season.

Of course, we'll have to revisit all of this if, a year from now, Dwight Howard is a Boston Celtic (which wouldn't be the case if Danny hadn't made the trade).  I don't think it will happen, which is why I vote for the Perk trade as the worst, but the caveat is big enough (no pun intended) to mention.

[PosImpos]

1. Not re-signing TA.

2. All of our major off-season acquisitions (which we were relying on to give us a chance at a title) were injury prone players -- Marquis, JO, Shaq.

3. Waiting until halfway through the season to make a major trade involving one of the starters.  I still support the trade because I think at the time it was made it was a smart move given the available information, and I don't think it made a difference in the ultimate outcome of the season.


Those are the only major mistakes I can think of.

[Cman]

3. Waiting until halfway through the season to make a major trade involving one of the starters.  I still support the trade because I think at the time it was made it was a smart move given the available information, and I don't think it made a difference in the ultimate outcome of the season.

Yeah, maybe that's a better way of putting it (than what I did above).

[tenn_smoothie]

I think this is a creative new way to defend Ainge.  There's no question about what the worst Celtics move was this season:  The Trade will go down one of the worst moves in NBA history.  What's truly astounding, though, more than The Trade itself is the near total lack of heat Danny has had to face.  One would think proud Celtic fans would be ticked off that he essentially gave up on the season.

This is never going to get old.  I look forward to arguing about The Trade for the next thirty years, as time scrubs away all details, and the legend of Kendrick Perkins -- AKA Bill Russell Jr. -- ascends into myth.

We'll all regale each other with stories of how you could count on one hand, the number of pre-Trade bench players that could make it to the court without assistance from a crutch, walker, wheelchair, or stretcher.  Perk's primal scream would have obviously cured them, but they couldn't hear it from Oklahoma.

We'll laugh at the non-stop parade of hilarious freak injuries that all happened at the worst possible times.  Shaq's Achilles injury that never healed, and didn't respond after enough cortisone injections to numb an elephant.  JO fracturing his wrist in the first round of the of the playoffs.  Our third-string Center's awesome bone bruises at the end of the regular season, right when we needed him.  Our former double-double machine pick-up who turned out to have as much wind as you can find perhaps in outer space.  And then there's my favorite, where Dwayne Wade breaks our point guard's arm.  If Perk was here, everyone would have just beasted through all that.

We'll shake our heads at the horrible scoring droughts that doomed our title chances.  If only we had a one-legged center who could thunder down 5 PPG in 25 minutes of floor time, and Nate's laser-accurate three point shooting, we would have blown the Heat out of the building by double digits with nobody on the floor except Perk, Avery Bradley, and maybe Doc and two of our tallest cheerleaders.

the fact remains that the team changed after the loss of Kendrick Perkins. there was severe damage to the emotional psyche of this group and they never came close to recovering from it. laugh, if you want, but these Celtics thrived on emotion and togetherness and thus, the fallout from the trade took away one of their major advantages over the other contenders.

once and for all, the point is not Perk's stats. the point is about this team being a much bigger sum than its individual parts would indicate.

also, i doubt Perk would have walked on the Celtics. he obviously loved being a Celtic and all that talk about losing him to a higher bidder was just a smokescreen for Danny to justify his happy trade trigger surfacing once again.

btw .... all we got in return was a mediocre backup wing who wilted under the pressure of playing in Boston and who will probably walk just like Ainge claimed Perk was going to do.

[ACF]

I think this is a creative new way to defend Ainge.  There's no question about what the worst Celtics move was this season:  The Trade will go down one of the worst moves in NBA history.  What's truly astounding, though, more than The Trade itself is the near total lack of heat Danny has had to face.  One would think proud Celtic fans would be ticked off that he essentially gave up on the season.

This is never going to get old.  I look forward to arguing about The Trade for the next thirty years, as time scrubs away all details, and the legend of Kendrick Perkins -- AKA Bill Russell Jr. -- ascends into myth.

We'll all regale each other with stories of how you could count on one hand, the number of pre-Trade bench players that could make it to the court without assistance from a crutch, walker, wheelchair, or stretcher.  Perk's primal scream would have obviously cured them, but they couldn't hear it from Oklahoma.

We'll laugh at the non-stop parade of hilarious freak injuries that all happened at the worst possible times.  Shaq's Achilles injury that never healed, and didn't respond after enough cortisone injections to numb an elephant.  JO fracturing his wrist in the first round of the of the playoffs.  Our third-string Center's awesome bone bruises at the end of the regular season, right when we needed him.  Our former double-double machine pick-up who turned out to have as much wind as you can find perhaps in outer space.  And then there's my favorite, where Dwayne Wade breaks our point guard's arm.  If Perk was here, everyone would have just beasted through all that.

We'll shake our heads at the horrible scoring droughts that doomed our title chances.  If only we had a one-legged center who could thunder down 5 PPG in 25 minutes of floor time, and Nate's laser-accurate three point shooting, we would have blown the Heat out of the building by double digits with nobody on the floor except Perk, Avery Bradley, and maybe Doc and two of our tallest cheerleaders.


Or you know, maybe it's just that some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant.

Hilarious, TP.

[PosImpos]

I think this is a creative new way to defend Ainge.  There's no question about what the worst Celtics move was this season:  The Trade will go down one of the worst moves in NBA history.  What's truly astounding, though, more than The Trade itself is the near total lack of heat Danny has had to face.  One would think proud Celtic fans would be ticked off that he essentially gave up on the season.

This is never going to get old.  I look forward to arguing about The Trade for the next thirty years, as time scrubs away all details, and the legend of Kendrick Perkins -- AKA Bill Russell Jr. -- ascends into myth.

We'll all regale each other with stories of how you could count on one hand, the number of pre-Trade bench players that could make it to the court without assistance from a crutch, walker, wheelchair, or stretcher.  Perk's primal scream would have obviously cured them, but they couldn't hear it from Oklahoma.

We'll laugh at the non-stop parade of hilarious freak injuries that all happened at the worst possible times.  Shaq's Achilles injury that never healed, and didn't respond after enough cortisone injections to numb an elephant.  JO fracturing his wrist in the first round of the of the playoffs.  Our third-string Center's awesome bone bruises at the end of the regular season, right when we needed him.  Our former double-double machine pick-up who turned out to have as much wind as you can find perhaps in outer space.  And then there's my favorite, where Dwayne Wade breaks our point guard's arm.  If Perk was here, everyone would have just beasted through all that.

We'll shake our heads at the horrible scoring droughts that doomed our title chances.  If only we had a one-legged center who could thunder down 5 PPG in 25 minutes of floor time, and Nate's laser-accurate three point shooting, we would have blown the Heat out of the building by double digits with nobody on the floor except Perk, Avery Bradley, and maybe Doc and two of our tallest cheerleaders.


Or you know, maybe it's just that some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant.

This post is absolutely chock full of win.

Well done, sir.

[jdz101]

Perk wouldn't have helped. The 9 million a year we aren't wasting on him will though.

[bfrombleacher]

Perk wouldn't have helped. The 9 million a year we aren't wasting on him will though.

Perk wouldn't have helped but him leaving hurt apparently.

[Chris]

Now, I think we can absolutely call the signing of Murphy a mistake at this point, but I think the jury is still out on Semih, and whether he would have remained an asset to this team.

I suspect that the jury will be out forever, by those standards.  Semih was improving before our eyes this past season, and none of his injuries sound career-ending to me.  We voided the warranty by sending him away from the Celtics, and to the worst team in the NBA, because I don't think anyone would argue that being on the Cavs is a net improvement to that rookie's chances to reach his potential.

Probably likely as not that he just goes home, and we'll never know for sure.

Well, the rumors I have heard is that Semih did not plan to return to the NBA next year, and was determined to return to Turkey, and that was a big part of the trade.  I don't think it is a coincidence that he was traded just a few days after returning from being allowed to go home for a few extra days around the All-Star break, and in his first appearance after returning, he looked completely distracted.

Of course this is all an unsubstantiated rumor, which is why I want to see whether he is back next year.  But I do think this rumor does a whole lot to explain the trade.

[RebusRankin]

Perkins trade