Pryor can play in the NFL but not till game 6?

[Eja117]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6873163/terrelle-pryor-eligible-nfl-sit-first-five-games


Weird?  I hate Ohio State more than Lebron and Jeter combined, but still. Is it just me or does it seem like Pryor is getting a little black balled here?

If Tressell goes to the NFL will he have to sit out too?

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

[BballTim]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

[Fafnir]

The NFLPA wanted Pryor to challenge this, for good reason. It will be interesting to see if the NFL continues with this new line of punishment.

[Marcus13]

Big blessing for Pryor, sitting an entire season could have been a career-ruiner

[Chris]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible.  

Edit: the fact that he is being allowed into the NFL right away after being ruled ineligible is essentially a reward, and I don't blame the NFL from not wanted to reward kids for that. 

[BballTim]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible. 

  I'd be curious about what the circumstances were for all of the other players in supplemental drafts.

[Chris]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible. 

  I'd be curious about what the circumstances were for all of the other players in supplemental drafts.

But does it really matter though?  Can't they change their policy going forward?

The NFL has cracked down on all disciplinary things over the last few years, so I am not sure it is relevant what happened 20 years ago in a supplementary draft.

[Moranis]

The NFLPA wanted Pryor to challenge this, for good reason. It will be interesting to see if the NFL continues with this new line of punishment.

Pryor will not challenge it.

I think the NFL reasoned that prior to regular draft Pryor had already been suspended for the five games (his year suspension came after) and as such didn't want to reward him for trying to usurp the system.  I believe if he hadn't been suspended until after the regular draft and then entered the supplemental draft, he would not have been suspended.

[chicagoceltic]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible. 

  I'd be curious about what the circumstances were for all of the other players in supplemental drafts.

The NFL is doing Pryor a favor with this ruling...according to the letters of the rules for inclusion in the supplemental draft Pryor should be ineligible.  (Also, keep in mind that the NFL pushed back the date of the supplemental draft allowing Pryor to be included).They very well could have not allowed him in the supplemental draft and forced him to sit out an ENTIRE a year.  Sure, he could have gone to Canada or whatever that other league is but this way he will get an opportunity to work with NFL coaches, train at NFL facilities and learn from NFL players.  He cannot practice for the 1st 5 wks but as soon as he if drafted and signs he can practice during the remaining preseason.

[Eja117]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible.  

Edit: the fact that he is being allowed into the NFL right away after being ruled ineligible is essentially a reward, and I don't blame the NFL from not wanted to reward kids for that. 

But the supplemental draft does that for almost everyone in the supplemental draft. That's for kids that have been ruled academically ineligible and whatnot. Nobody says they're trying to sidestep the system. Also I'm not sure there's a real world equivalent here. Should a firm not be allowed to hire you because you got kicked out of a dorm in college or something?  College ball doesn't want him. The NFL does. But once again willing employees and willing employers have these impediments, while many other players that broke far more egregious rules and laws get to play.

Brett Farve tried to side step rules about attending training camp for about a decade by "retiring" and mowing his lawn.

Rothlisburger and Kobe sidestepped rules about date rape.  Why not suspend them?

I know. I know.  Apples and oranges being eaten by straw men.

Whateva. He's being black balled.

[chicagoceltic]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible.  

Edit: the fact that he is being allowed into the NFL right away after being ruled ineligible is essentially a reward, and I don't blame the NFL from not wanted to reward kids for that. 

But the supplemental draft does that for almost everyone in the supplemental draft. That's for kids that have been ruled academically ineligible and whatnot. Nobody says they're trying to sidestep the system. Also I'm not sure there's a real world equivalent here. Should a firm not be allowed to hire you because you got kicked out of a dorm in college or something?  College ball doesn't want him. The NFL does. But once again willing employees and willing employers have these impediments, while many other players that broke far more egregious rules and laws get to play.

Brett Farve tried to side step rules about attending training camp for about a decade by "retiring" and mowing his lawn.

Rothlisburger and Kobe sidestepped rules about date rape.  Why not suspend them?

I know. I know.  Apples and oranges being eaten by straw men.

Whateva. He's being black balled.

IMO, Pryor is a kid who made a mistake and has been screwed over, but not by the NFL.  Unfortunately he accepted a bad deal offered to him by OSU and the Sugar bowl for their financial gain.  Both OSU and the Sugar Bowl benefitted by having him accept a 5 game suspension in order to play in the Sugar Bowl and agree to accept a 5 game suspension for the 2011 season. 

In hindsight the best thing for him to have done would have been to be ruled ineligible for the Sugar Bowl and declare for the regular NFL draft.  Had he done that he would likely have been drafted in the top 5 rounds or so in the regular NFL draft.  Instead, he passed on that opportunity and then as more information of NCAA infractions arose he realized that he most likely would eventually be declared ineligible to play by the NCAA.  At that point it was just too late for Pryor.

My understanding of the supplemental draft is that it is for players who have lost eligiblity to play in the NCAA after the regular NFL draft.  By the deadline to declare for the supplemental draft Pryor had not been ruled ineligible to play, he was merely suspended for 5 games and therefore he is ineligible for the NFL supplemental draft. (and do not forget that the NFL even pushed back the supplemental draft which benefitted Pryor)

The easy answer for the NFL would have been to rule him ineligible for the supplemental draft and to make him wait a year to be drafted.  Instead they made the decision to go against their own clearly written rules and to allow him into the supplemental draft and to suspend him for the first 5 weeks of the regular season. 

How is this the NFL blackmailing Pryor?

[Eja117]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible.  

Edit: the fact that he is being allowed into the NFL right away after being ruled ineligible is essentially a reward, and I don't blame the NFL from not wanted to reward kids for that. 

But the supplemental draft does that for almost everyone in the supplemental draft. That's for kids that have been ruled academically ineligible and whatnot. Nobody says they're trying to sidestep the system. Also I'm not sure there's a real world equivalent here. Should a firm not be allowed to hire you because you got kicked out of a dorm in college or something?  College ball doesn't want him. The NFL does. But once again willing employees and willing employers have these impediments, while many other players that broke far more egregious rules and laws get to play.

Brett Farve tried to side step rules about attending training camp for about a decade by "retiring" and mowing his lawn.

Rothlisburger and Kobe sidestepped rules about date rape.  Why not suspend them?

I know. I know.  Apples and oranges being eaten by straw men.

Whateva. He's being black balled.

IMO, Pryor is a kid who made a mistake and has been screwed over, but not by the NFL.  Unfortunately he accepted a bad deal offered to him by OSU and the Sugar bowl for their financial gain.  Both OSU and the Sugar Bowl benefitted by having him accept a 5 game suspension in order to play in the Sugar Bowl and agree to accept a 5 game suspension for the 2011 season. 

In hindsight the best thing for him to have done would have been to be ruled ineligible for the Sugar Bowl and declare for the regular NFL draft.  Had he done that he would likely have been drafted in the top 5 rounds or so in the regular NFL draft.  Instead, he passed on that opportunity and then as more information of NCAA infractions arose he realized that he most likely would eventually be declared ineligible to play by the NCAA.  At that point it was just too late for Pryor.

My understanding of the supplemental draft is that it is for players who have lost eligiblity to play in the NCAA after the regular NFL draft.  By the deadline to declare for the supplemental draft Pryor had not been ruled ineligible to play, he was merely suspended for 5 games and therefore he is ineligible for the NFL supplemental draft. (and do not forget that the NFL even pushed back the supplemental draft which benefitted Pryor)

The easy answer for the NFL would have been to rule him ineligible for the supplemental draft and to make him wait a year to be drafted.  Instead they made the decision to go against their own clearly written rules and to allow him into the supplemental draft and to suspend him for the first 5 weeks of the regular season. 

How is this the NFL blackmailing Pryor?

Not blackmailing. Black balling.  Because they are singling him out for punishment in collusion with the NCAA.  No other player in the history of the NFL that I know of has ever been punished by the NFL for something they did in college.  Either he's eligible or he's not. It was clear he what he wanted early on and why, and they dragged their feet on it, then they implement this weirdo thing? 
And I'm not buying this line of reasoning that the NFL is cutting him a break or something. It's just allowing a willing employee to go to a willing employer.

Also I don't believe any coach (like Tressel) has ever been punished by the NFL for anything they did in college, and probably never will.  They're trying to make an example of him saying "The NFL isn't a place to go to get away from the NCAA or to avoid following rules in college".  But yes it is. That's the whole point of the NFL.

They're more than happy when Reggie Bush or Cam Newton comes out early. Not so happy when Maurice Clarret or Mike Williams or Terrell Pryor does.  It's just picking a choosing.

[Moranis]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible.  

Edit: the fact that he is being allowed into the NFL right away after being ruled ineligible is essentially a reward, and I don't blame the NFL from not wanted to reward kids for that. 

But the supplemental draft does that for almost everyone in the supplemental draft. That's for kids that have been ruled academically ineligible and whatnot. Nobody says they're trying to sidestep the system. Also I'm not sure there's a real world equivalent here. Should a firm not be allowed to hire you because you got kicked out of a dorm in college or something?  College ball doesn't want him. The NFL does. But once again willing employees and willing employers have these impediments, while many other players that broke far more egregious rules and laws get to play.

Brett Farve tried to side step rules about attending training camp for about a decade by "retiring" and mowing his lawn.

Rothlisburger and Kobe sidestepped rules about date rape.  Why not suspend them?

I know. I know.  Apples and oranges being eaten by straw men.

Whateva. He's being black balled.

IMO, Pryor is a kid who made a mistake and has been screwed over, but not by the NFL.  Unfortunately he accepted a bad deal offered to him by OSU and the Sugar bowl for their financial gain.  Both OSU and the Sugar Bowl benefitted by having him accept a 5 game suspension in order to play in the Sugar Bowl and agree to accept a 5 game suspension for the 2011 season. 

In hindsight the best thing for him to have done would have been to be ruled ineligible for the Sugar Bowl and declare for the regular NFL draft.  Had he done that he would likely have been drafted in the top 5 rounds or so in the regular NFL draft.  Instead, he passed on that opportunity and then as more information of NCAA infractions arose he realized that he most likely would eventually be declared ineligible to play by the NCAA.  At that point it was just too late for Pryor.

My understanding of the supplemental draft is that it is for players who have lost eligiblity to play in the NCAA after the regular NFL draft.  By the deadline to declare for the supplemental draft Pryor had not been ruled ineligible to play, he was merely suspended for 5 games and therefore he is ineligible for the NFL supplemental draft. (and do not forget that the NFL even pushed back the supplemental draft which benefitted Pryor)

The easy answer for the NFL would have been to rule him ineligible for the supplemental draft and to make him wait a year to be drafted.  Instead they made the decision to go against their own clearly written rules and to allow him into the supplemental draft and to suspend him for the first 5 weeks of the regular season. 

How is this the NFL blackmailing Pryor?

Not blackmailing. Black balling.  Because they are singling him out for punishment in collusion with the NCAA.  No other player in the history of the NFL that I know of has ever been punished by the NFL for something they did in college.  Either he's eligible or he's not. It was clear he what he wanted early on and why, and they dragged their feet on it, then they implement this weirdo thing? 
And I'm not buying this line of reasoning that the NFL is cutting him a break or something. It's just allowing a willing employee to go to a willing employer.

Also I don't believe any coach (like Tressel) has ever been punished by the NFL for anything they did in college, and probably never will.  They're trying to make an example of him saying "The NFL isn't a place to go to get away from the NCAA or to avoid following rules in college".  But yes it is. That's the whole point of the NFL.

They're more than happy when Reggie Bush or Cam Newton comes out early. Not so happy when Maurice Clarret or Mike Williams or Terrell Pryor does.  It's just picking a choosing.

Jamal Lewis was suspended for a crime he committed before he was drafted.

[Celtics4ever]

I am from Ohio but never was a big Buckeye fan.   I think Pryor clearly knew he was breaking the rules and acted in a selfish manner.   I for one, find it refreshing that someone didn't get to walk from the program they just crashed like Reggie Bush did scott free.  But that being said, I think they are making an example of him.   If they do it to him, they should do it to all.  That part isn't fair but if they did across the board I would not have a problem with them cleaning up both the NFL and NCAA programs as a result.

I think Pryor is spoiled punk.  The amount of sympathy he is getting is crazy for the personality he possesses.   I mean real sense of entitlement on this kid.   Your not going to beat Roger Goodell and the NFL especially when you cut a deal with him then tried to renig.  I had heard that him being suspended was part of the deal to make him eligible for the draft.

[Eja117]

What will happen to all those Miami guys?

  Not to mention Reggie Bush and others. How do you reconcile punishing one person for their behavior in college and ignore the same or worse from a substantial number of your other players? No wonder players hate Goodell.

I think this is a special circumstance though.  With Bush and others, their NCAA rule breaking did not affect the NFL at all, because they still followed normal procedures for declaring for the draft, etc.

Prior however did not declare for the draft, and is only requesting to be allowed in the supplemental draft because he broke NCAA rules and was made ineligible.  

Edit: the fact that he is being allowed into the NFL right away after being ruled ineligible is essentially a reward, and I don't blame the NFL from not wanted to reward kids for that. 

But the supplemental draft does that for almost everyone in the supplemental draft. That's for kids that have been ruled academically ineligible and whatnot. Nobody says they're trying to sidestep the system. Also I'm not sure there's a real world equivalent here. Should a firm not be allowed to hire you because you got kicked out of a dorm in college or something?  College ball doesn't want him. The NFL does. But once again willing employees and willing employers have these impediments, while many other players that broke far more egregious rules and laws get to play.

Brett Farve tried to side step rules about attending training camp for about a decade by "retiring" and mowing his lawn.

Rothlisburger and Kobe sidestepped rules about date rape.  Why not suspend them?

I know. I know.  Apples and oranges being eaten by straw men.

Whateva. He's being black balled.

IMO, Pryor is a kid who made a mistake and has been screwed over, but not by the NFL.  Unfortunately he accepted a bad deal offered to him by OSU and the Sugar bowl for their financial gain.  Both OSU and the Sugar Bowl benefitted by having him accept a 5 game suspension in order to play in the Sugar Bowl and agree to accept a 5 game suspension for the 2011 season. 

In hindsight the best thing for him to have done would have been to be ruled ineligible for the Sugar Bowl and declare for the regular NFL draft.  Had he done that he would likely have been drafted in the top 5 rounds or so in the regular NFL draft.  Instead, he passed on that opportunity and then as more information of NCAA infractions arose he realized that he most likely would eventually be declared ineligible to play by the NCAA.  At that point it was just too late for Pryor.

My understanding of the supplemental draft is that it is for players who have lost eligiblity to play in the NCAA after the regular NFL draft.  By the deadline to declare for the supplemental draft Pryor had not been ruled ineligible to play, he was merely suspended for 5 games and therefore he is ineligible for the NFL supplemental draft. (and do not forget that the NFL even pushed back the supplemental draft which benefitted Pryor)

The easy answer for the NFL would have been to rule him ineligible for the supplemental draft and to make him wait a year to be drafted.  Instead they made the decision to go against their own clearly written rules and to allow him into the supplemental draft and to suspend him for the first 5 weeks of the regular season. 

How is this the NFL blackmailing Pryor?

Not blackmailing. Black balling.  Because they are singling him out for punishment in collusion with the NCAA.  No other player in the history of the NFL that I know of has ever been punished by the NFL for something they did in college.  Either he's eligible or he's not. It was clear he what he wanted early on and why, and they dragged their feet on it, then they implement this weirdo thing? 
And I'm not buying this line of reasoning that the NFL is cutting him a break or something. It's just allowing a willing employee to go to a willing employer.

Also I don't believe any coach (like Tressel) has ever been punished by the NFL for anything they did in college, and probably never will.  They're trying to make an example of him saying "The NFL isn't a place to go to get away from the NCAA or to avoid following rules in college".  But yes it is. That's the whole point of the NFL.

They're more than happy when Reggie Bush or Cam Newton comes out early. Not so happy when Maurice Clarret or Mike Williams or Terrell Pryor does.  It's just picking a choosing.

Jamal Lewis was suspended for a crime he committed before he was drafted.

Are you sure? I'm not seeing that in wiki. Even then Pryor didn't commit a crime. It seems like the Miami kids did though.

Another thing that bothers me here is lots of times guys in the NFL really have done heinous things and got in way less trouble than Pryor.

Didn't Michael Irvin get caught with like a kilo and hookers while preaching about loving Jesus and he just got into the HOF?

No way on Earth did Pryor do anything remotely as bad as Rothlisburger. He got a lighter sentence and played in the Super Bowl.