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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2011, 11:59:36 PM »

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There are three PGs in the league I would trade Rondo for:  Paul, Williams and Rose.


All three will make the Celtics better.  



  I don't think it's as clear that Williams or Rose make us better as people think. You'll get more production from the pg spot, you'll likely get less production from everywhere else.


Rondo is tough as nails. Chris Paul sits out a sprained ankle for 1-2 weeks. Rondo plays a season with a broken foot. Rondo brings intangibles.


Jesus guys. I love Rondo but its not like Chris Paul is soft for sitting out because of a sprained ankle. In case you forgot, Rondo missed 7 games (16 days) after spraining his ankle against the Knicks. When did Rondo play a season with a broken foot? Before people start calling me a hater, Rondo is my favorite player, so there.

He had plantar fasciitis.

Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2011, 12:04:06 AM »

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There are three PGs in the league I would trade Rondo for:  Paul, Williams and Rose.


All three will make the Celtics better.  



  I don't think it's as clear that Williams or Rose make us better as people think. You'll get more production from the pg spot, you'll likely get less production from everywhere else.


Or even Paul. Rondo is tough as nails. Chris Paul sits out a sprained ankle for 1-2 weeks. Rondo plays a season with a broken foot. Rondo brings intangibles.

Rondo has 3 Hall of Famers....who are largely reduced to great jump shooters. His supporting cast is probably one of the weaker ones in the top teams (Rose has a serviceable center and younger guys to work with. Our bench was amazing until injury forced us to trade it all away.) A decent inside scorer (whether it be a slasher or a low post banger) would make Rondo amazing. Just look at what Rondo did with Shaq (or the half Shaq really). Shaq was having trouble scoring in Cleveland just a season ago and Rondo resurrected the man.


Did you just call Pierce, Ray and KG as the weakest teammates of all of these PGs?

I think Rondo has one of the less reliable teammates on the offensive end out of all the top teams.

Rose has Noah, who can get offensive rebounds, and Deng, who can finish at the rim better then any Celtic not named Rondo. Miami is Miami. The Lakers have Bynum and Pau Gasol.

They are what they are. They are three great players who are past their prime who play wonderful defense. They rely a lot on their jump shot now, which is really hard to land when the times are tough, causing offensive stagnation. The other top teams have a lot of different looks, Boston has a lot of jump shooting.



Wow. 


That's all I can say.



I don't think I have seen anyone undervalue Pierce, Ray and KG on here this much. 

Noah, Deng and Boozer offensively > Pierce, Ray and KG offensively??


Color me really confused with that idea.    ???

Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2011, 12:09:31 AM »

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There are three PGs in the league I would trade Rondo for:  Paul, Williams and Rose.


All three will make the Celtics better. 



  I don't think it's as clear that Williams or Rose make us better as people think. You'll get more production from the pg spot, you'll likely get less production from everywhere else.


Or even Paul. Rondo is tough as nails. Chris Paul sits out a sprained ankle for 1-2 weeks. Rondo plays a season with a broken foot. Rondo brings intangibles.

Rondo has 3 Hall of Famers....who are largely reduced to great jump shooters. His supporting cast is probably one of the weaker ones in the top teams (Rose has a serviceable center and younger guys to work with. Our bench was amazing until injury forced us to trade it all away.) A decent inside scorer (whether it be a slasher or a low post banger) would make Rondo amazing. Just look at what Rondo did with Shaq (or the half Shaq really). Shaq was having trouble scoring in Cleveland just a season ago and Rondo resurrected the man.


Did you just call Pierce, Ray and KG as the weakest teammates of all of these PGs?

I think Rondo has one of the less reliable teammates on the offensive end out of all the top teams.

Rose has Noah, who can get offensive rebounds, and Deng, who can finish at the rim better then any Celtic not named Rondo. Miami is Miami. The Lakers have Bynum and Pau Gasol.

They are what they are. They are three great players who are past their prime who play wonderful defense. They rely a lot on their jump shot now, which is really hard to land when the times are tough, causing offensive stagnation. The other top teams have a lot of different looks, Boston has a lot of jump shooting.

Boston's lack of a interior game, by way of penetration or physicality are definite concerns, but IF Rondo could finish at the hoop at the level other elite slashing point guards could, a lot of that concern goes away.

Plus, people who have been labeling Pierce or Ray ALlen as 'only jumpshooters' over the past few years have been forced to eat a lot of crow.

I don't know if Rondo is 'the' problem, but it aint the quality of his supporting cast.

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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2011, 12:10:40 AM »

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Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!
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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2011, 12:19:06 AM »

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Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!

Single handily?




I get that people like Rondo (so do I), but the lack of respect shown to Ray, Pierce and KG is surprising. 

Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2011, 12:27:46 AM »

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Wait don't get me wrong I'm not disrespecting the big three, PP34 is my favorites player, But Rondo went out and was consistent every night! And anyone who says other words is fooling themselves! :-)
Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!

Single handily?




I get that people like Rondo (so do I), but the lack of respect shown to Ray, Pierce and KG is surprising. 
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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2011, 12:30:42 AM »

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Wait don't get me wrong I'm not disrespecting the big three, PP34 is my favorites player, But Rondo went out and was consistent every night! And anyone who says other words is fooling themselves! :-)
Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!

Single handily?




I get that people like Rondo (so do I), but the lack of respect shown to Ray, Pierce and KG is surprising. 


Single handily is saying that Pierce, Ray and KG did nothing. 



Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2011, 12:43:45 AM »

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Wait don't get me wrong I'm not disrespecting the big three, PP34 is my favorites player, But Rondo went out and was consistent every night! And anyone who says other words is fooling themselves! :-)
Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!

Single handily?




I get that people like Rondo (so do I), but the lack of respect shown to Ray, Pierce and KG is surprising. 


Single handily is saying that Pierce, Ray and KG did nothing. 



No its saying he was the best player in those playoff and he lead his team. Of course everyone played  their part.
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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2011, 01:18:30 AM »

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Wait don't get me wrong I'm not disrespecting the big three, PP34 is my favorites player, But Rondo went out and was consistent every night! And anyone who says other words is fooling themselves! :-)
Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!

Single handily?




I get that people like Rondo (so do I), but the lack of respect shown to Ray, Pierce and KG is surprising. 

Single handily is saying that Pierce, Ray and KG did nothing. 

No its saying he was the best player in those playoff and he lead his team. Of course everyone played  their part.

No, wdleehi is correct.

sin·gle-hand·ed: adj. 1. Working or done without help; unassisted


If you mean he was the best player, then say he was the best player.  Single handedly is doing something with no help.  Single-handedly is actually how Chris Paul leads the Hornets to wins...
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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2011, 02:19:22 AM »

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Wait don't get me wrong I'm not disrespecting the big three, PP34 is my favorites player, But Rondo went out and was consistent every night! And anyone who says other words is fooling themselves! :-)
Man I'm so sick of seeing and hearing all of this trade talk with Rajon. It's ridiculous have people forget what all Rondo has done for this team. I wouldn't trade Rondo for NO ONE!!!! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a C's fan, This guy single handedly took us to the finals a year ago. This is the same guy who out hustled everyone on Orlando's team (even Howard). This is the guy who almost averaged a triple dub in the playoffs, he takes his game to the next level every post season. This is a guy who has the heart and Passion to lead this team and three future hof. This the guy who Doc had come to trust to run this team. This is a guy who will step up and defend anybody on the court, no matter the size advantage, i.e. James. This is the guy who has been the leading rebounder for us in more then one or two games, and he's the pg.
Yes everyone knows Pierce is the best player on the team, but Rondo is the most important player. I don't think cp3 is a clear upgrade just nexus he can score, the question is can he be what Rondo is and more? The answer is NO!

Single handily?




I get that people like Rondo (so do I), but the lack of respect shown to Ray, Pierce and KG is surprising. 

Single handily is saying that Pierce, Ray and KG did nothing. 

No its saying he was the best player in those playoff and he lead his team. Of course everyone played  their part.

No, wdleehi is correct.

sin·gle-hand·ed: adj. 1. Working or done without help; unassisted


If you mean he was the best player, then say he was the best player.  Single handedly is doing something with no help.  Single-handedly is actually how Chris Paul leads the Hornets to wins...
Yeah your right, the only year Paul made it past the first round of the playoffs David West and Chandler had nothing to do with it! 
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Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2011, 04:15:30 AM »

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There are three PGs in the league I would trade Rondo for:  Paul, Williams and Rose.


All three will make the Celtics better.  



  I don't think it's as clear that Williams or Rose make us better as people think. You'll get more production from the pg spot, you'll likely get less production from everywhere else.


Or even Paul. Rondo is tough as nails. Chris Paul sits out a sprained ankle for 1-2 weeks. Rondo plays a season with a broken foot. Rondo brings intangibles.

Rondo has 3 Hall of Famers....who are largely reduced to great jump shooters. His supporting cast is probably one of the weaker ones in the top teams (Rose has a serviceable center and younger guys to work with. Our bench was amazing until injury forced us to trade it all away.) A decent inside scorer (whether it be a slasher or a low post banger) would make Rondo amazing. Just look at what Rondo did with Shaq (or the half Shaq really). Shaq was having trouble scoring in Cleveland just a season ago and Rondo resurrected the man.


Did you just call Pierce, Ray and KG as the weakest teammates of all of these PGs?

I think Rondo has one of the less reliable teammates on the offensive end out of all the top teams.

Rose has Noah, who can get offensive rebounds, and Deng, who can finish at the rim better then any Celtic not named Rondo. Miami is Miami. The Lakers have Bynum and Pau Gasol.

They are what they are. They are three great players who are past their prime who play wonderful defense. They rely a lot on their jump shot now, which is really hard to land when the times are tough, causing offensive stagnation. The other top teams have a lot of different looks, Boston has a lot of jump shooting.



Wow. 


That's all I can say.



I don't think I have seen anyone undervalue Pierce, Ray and KG on here this much. 

Noah, Deng and Boozer offensively > Pierce, Ray and KG offensively??


Color me really confused with that idea.    ???

The Celtics were the best team before Quis got hurt. The Celtics went into the playoffs with, effectively, the Big Three and Rondo. At least the Bulls had a center, some scoring on the inside and bench players.

Rondo had the big three, who were playing almost 40 minutes a pop and were exhausted, Jeff Green, who had no idea what was going on, and Jermaine O'Neal, playing one of his first games this year going into the playoffs.

I think offensively, yes, the Big Three can be unreliable when the offense isn't 'flowing' as they rely on their jumpers, which is really hard to hit when there is no rhythm. Getting fouled and going to the line helps the team's rhythm, which the Big Three can not do so well anymore. I remember so many games where there was a grind out with nobody hitting anything.

I guess what I wanted to say was it frustrates me when haters talk about how Rondo is so amazing only because he has three Hall of Famers and then turn around and write off the Celtics because "they're too old and should be playing wheelchair basketball". I think Rondo has a huge part in the Big Three's production offensively and people are constantly undermining him. Hopefully he learns to hit a jump shot and ends this debate once and for all.

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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2011, 07:05:27 AM »

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I can recall games in the playoffs when it was Rondo who tookover games and won them not the Big Three.   He did this once against Cleveland and Orlando the year prior to last at least.

Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2011, 08:09:06 AM »

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But I'll tell you this:  when I see people use the word "upgrade", I wonder if they are talking about machine parts, or animals, because I just don't evaluate human beings that way. 

This made me laugh.  Not in a good way.

We are talking about parts, parts of a basketball team.  An upgrade is when you trade a player for a better player.  That is an "upgrade" for the team, which will make a team better, and win more games.

This is pretty basic stuff in the NBA.  Teams try to upgrade, through trades all the time.

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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2011, 08:19:39 AM »

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Boston's lack of a interior game, by way of penetration or physicality are definite concerns, but IF Rondo could finish at the hoop at the level other elite slashing point guards could, a lot of that concern goes away.


  Rondo might not have a great jump shot but he's one of the best finishers at the rim among point guards.

Re: I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2011, 08:34:11 AM »

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How are we going to get Howard? I don't get this... Why do people keep talking about getting him? It seems ridiculous to me.

Do people want our late 20's 1st round picks, or our Mid 30's players?