Jeff green working on all around game "getting alittle paul pierce in me"

[the_Bird]

"Get a little Paul Pierce in me...."

Sounds like something Paul's wife might say!

[ballin]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

I second this post.

People think Jeff Green is good because he's a jack-of-all-trades. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that he's also a master of none.

People don't seem to realize it, but basketball is a game of specialization. You're supposed to find whatever it is that you're really good at, and then do that, and do that as often as possible.

Jeff Green simply doesn't have anything he's really good at. If you're not better than average at one or more skills on offense, you're a liability, end of story.

[cman88]

he was still able to average 10ppg not playing up to his level...not sure how thats an "offensive liability"

and he is good at 1 thing...and thats posting up on smaller guards and using his length to score over them. although he seemed to defer to the big 3

I think people are being abit hard on the guy regarding "being agressive" he came into an offense where you have 3 HOF'rs, and sixth man of the year cantidate in BBD, and an allstar PG and he was being asked to take away shots from them...

if Danny wants Jeff Green to be more of the "6th man" of the team, the 2nd units offense is going to have to be revamped from running through davis to running through green

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

I second this post.

People think Jeff Green is good because he's a jack-of-all-trades. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that he's also a master of none.

People don't seem to realize it, but basketball is a game of specialization. You're supposed to find whatever it is that you're really good at, and then do that, and do that as often as possible.

Jeff Green simply doesn't have anything he's really good at. If you're not better than average at one or more skills on offense, you're a liability, end of story.

Man, LeBron and Kobe are such HUGE liabilities. 

[xmuscularghandix]

I'm excited to see him back in a Celtic's uniform.

[JSD]

Jeff Green was the most interesting situation heading into this offseason. I'm curious what kind of contract he gets if he gets one.

[Galeto]

if Danny wants Jeff Green to be more of the "6th man" of the team, the 2nd units offense is going to have to be revamped from running through davis to running through green

Could it be neither, with the hope that Davis is not here next season, whenever that is?  As far as I saw it, the offense ran through both Davis and Green in the second unit because they got most of the shots.  Green got post ups and some isos and Davis fired away as usual.  Green essentially took over Daniels' spot in the offense and per 36 minutes, averaged three more shots and half the assists.  He only averaged 0.3 shots less per 36 than Ray.  I don't buy that Green deferred too much.

One of the major problems with Green and Davis monopolizing the offense when they were out there was that it often relegated Ray, the supposed anchor for the second unit, to twiddling his thumbs in the corner getting hardly any shots at all. If the offense is to run through Green, he can't play like another Corey Maggette, just shooting at will.  He has to be able to create for his teammates and that will also serve him well when he plays with the starters.

Again, I don't want Green to be a more aggressive player.  I want him to become a smarter, more well-rounded player.  I hope that's what he meant when he taking something from Pierce, Lebron and Kobe

[bfrombleacher]

if Danny wants Jeff Green to be more of the "6th man" of the team, the 2nd units offense is going to have to be revamped from running through davis to running through green

Could it be neither, with the hope that Davis is not here next season, whenever that is?  As far as I saw it, the offense ran through both Davis and Green in the second unit because they got most of the shots.  Green got post ups and some isos and Davis fired away as usual.  Green essentially took over Daniels' spot in the offense and per 36 minutes, averaged three more shots and half the assists.  He only averaged 0.3 shots less per 36 than Ray.  I don't buy that Green deferred too much.

One of the major problems with Green and Davis monopolizing the offense when they were out there was that it often relegated Ray, the supposed anchor for the second unit, to twiddling his thumbs in the corner getting hardly any shots at all. If the offense is to run through Green, he can't play like another Corey Maggette, just shooting at will.  He has to be able to create for his teammates and that will also serve him well when he plays with the starters.

Again, I don't want Green to be a more aggressive player.  I want him to become a smarter, more well-rounded player.  I hope that's what he meant when he taking something from Pierce, Lebron and Kobe

Green should be the point forward for the second unit then. I did some digging and a Knicks fan said Green was a good point forward in college (this was in a thread comparing Green and Wilson Chandler so no bias). Avery Bradley can get minutes this way (since we can't and should not rely on Delonte being healthy, we should ration his minutes to prevent him from being injured anyways).

This probably explains why he didn't improve in OKC. He needs to handle the ball, go iso.

[ballin]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

I second this post.

People think Jeff Green is good because he's a jack-of-all-trades. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that he's also a master of none.

People don't seem to realize it, but basketball is a game of specialization. You're supposed to find whatever it is that you're really good at, and then do that, and do that as often as possible.

Jeff Green simply doesn't have anything he's really good at. If you're not better than average at one or more skills on offense, you're a liability, end of story.

Man, LeBron and Kobe are such HUGE liabilities. 

Where oh where did I say that Lebron and Kobe weren't better than average at something? (in fact they're better than average in almost every aspect of offense)

So what are you even talking about?

[ballin]

he was still able to average 10ppg not playing up to his level...not sure how thats an "offensive liability"

and he is good at 1 thing...and thats posting up on smaller guards and using his length to score over them. although he seemed to defer to the big 3

I think people are being abit hard on the guy regarding "being agressive" he came into an offense where you have 3 HOF'rs, and sixth man of the year cantidate in BBD, and an allstar PG and he was being asked to take away shots from them...

if Danny wants Jeff Green to be more of the "6th man" of the team, the 2nd units offense is going to have to be revamped from running through davis to running through green

How is averaging 10 ppg proof that you're not an offensive liability? Glen Davis averaged about 12 points a game while being horribly inefficient and being a total ballhog/ball stopper/black hole.

Jeff Green has a career .526 true shooting %. For somebody who is considered a power forward, that's pretty bad. He was better than expected in Boston in that regard yet he was still a disappointment somehow.

Anybody expecting more from this kid than what he's already shown is just in for a lot of disappointment, and that's the bottom line.

Just wait until next year when people are posting about his lack of "heart" and how he needs to be more aggressive, etc. etc. (if there is a next year, and if he gets signed)

[Galeto]

Green should be the point forward for the second unit then. I did some digging and a Knicks fan said Green was a good point forward in college (this was in a thread comparing Green and Wilson Chandler so no bias). Avery Bradley can get minutes this way (since we can't and should not rely on Delonte being healthy, we should ration his minutes to prevent him from being injured anyways).

This probably explains why he didn't improve in OKC. He needs to handle the ball, go iso.

I remember Green in college.  He wasn't exactly a point forward in the sense that he handled the ball a lot and created for his teammates off the dribble.  It was more that he was a good passer within the Princeton Offense, playing in the high post.  Nevertheless, he was unselfish and a good passer and usually those traits carry over into the pros.  It's been puzzling why they haven't.  I think he has the ability to be a good passer in the pros because the passing talent he showed in college shouldn't be something that goes away.  I think it's more a question of mindset and role.  If he's told to be a better creator, I think he could be.

I wouldn't play him as a point forward.  He doesn't have the kind of handle for it.  I'd just be satisfied with him contributing with the pass and being less of a black hole.