Jeff green working on all around game "getting alittle paul pierce in me"

[Assassin70]

Let's start with learning how to catch a basketball when the season is on the line

TP

[greg683x]

You cant teach intensity.

[Galeto]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

[Jon]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

I disagree, because like it or not, he's going to see time with the starters playing Posey-like small ball. 

If he can be aggressive and look for his own shot, he can be dominant in a similar, but different way that Shaq was.  Shaq benefited so much from playing with the 4 starters because the opposition looked at him as an afterthought.  Consequently, he looked better than he actually was at 39 (and better than he did at 37).

Green can do the same thing.  Maybe he will never be an All Star, but he can exploit sleeping defenses. 

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

I disagree, because like it or not, he's going to see time with the starters playing Posey-like small ball.  

If he can be aggressive and look for his own shot, he can be dominant in a similar, but different way that Shaq was.  Shaq benefited so much from playing with the 4 starters because the opposition looked at him as an afterthought.  Consequently, he looked better than he actually was at 39 (and better than he did at 37).

Green can do the same thing.  Maybe he will never be an All Star, but he can exploit sleeping defenses.  

Did you watch Shaq at 37? I bet this playing better you saw was from you watching a rusty Shaq in the playoffs after being injured and out for months (after the thumb incident). Shaq was playing very good before he got injured with the Cavs and put up better numbers on the Suns the season before. I know you all would like to think Shaq had become terrible (before the Big Three) but STATS say otherwise (and your eyes would too if you followed him)!


Now, onto JG... I don't think he is trying to be P.P. (some suggest) but he is pulling good things from a better player to emulate! EVERY player (including MJ) took good things from players before him to become a better player... that is a good thing! Also, you say JG is not "good" (not great for sure, but don't go overboard) at those things, funny how the professionals (including teammates) think he is... they also said he wasn't aggressive enough, he didn't just come up with that out of the blue, the coaches and players told him he needed/needs to be!

JG wasn't terrible but he gets a lot of grief from a lot of people. People (especially young ones), need time to be comfortable with being assertive when you have 3 All-Star caliber vets who you play with and don't want to be seen as trying to outshine them. Now he has realized he is suppose to do more (Big Three wants him to), he is saying he is going to go out and try to do it... that's all I can ask of him at this point!

[raynman]

Let's cut JG some slack.. Remember it took Rondo more than a season to assert and prove himself with the big three. He was inconsistent and was benched often in 07-08 til he had that breakout in the 09 playoffs and is now the most important player in the team..
I think people want to see some production immediately and see Jeff Green change his whole game and personality altogether.
He has the potential to be a very good player, and I'm sure he will be. We'll just have to see if he'd work well in the team's system, if not, he'd be a great trade asset!

[jdz101]

at least he wasn't overpriced with the previous contract, unlike the guy we traded for him.

[Trifecta]

at least he wasn't overpriced with the previous contract, unlike the guy we traded for him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just call Kendrick Perkins overpaid at 6.5 mil a year?

[jdz101]

No I'm calling him way overpaid at 9 million a year in a new CBA.

[Jon]

I don't get this "more aggressive" talk.  I thought part of the problem was that he was too aggressive looking for his own shot and had zero ability to create for others.  I don't want Green to be too aggressive with the starters anyway since he's an inferior scorer and for some puzzling reason, it's tough for Paul and Ray to find shots to begin with.

He didn't have a single skill that allowed him to fit in with the starters besides running the break and there's only so much you can do that against good teams.

Is he a good shooter? No.  Erratic.
Good Passer?  No.
Rebounder?  No.
Defender? No.
Moving off the ball? No, though showed spurts of it in one game against Miami.

He doesn't need to fix a lack of aggression, he needs to improve his skills to become a solid contributer and not one whose deficiencies shooting the ball, rebounding, defending and passing make him a liability on the floor.

I disagree, because like it or not, he's going to see time with the starters playing Posey-like small ball.  

If he can be aggressive and look for his own shot, he can be dominant in a similar, but different way that Shaq was.  Shaq benefited so much from playing with the 4 starters because the opposition looked at him as an afterthought.  Consequently, he looked better than he actually was at 39 (and better than he did at 37).

Green can do the same thing.  Maybe he will never be an All Star, but he can exploit sleeping defenses.  

Did you watch Shaq at 37? I bet this playing better you saw was from you watching a rusty Shaq in the playoffs after being injured and out for months (after the thumb incident). Shaq was playing very good before he got injured with the Cavs and put up better numbers on the Suns the season before. I know you all would like to think Shaq had become terrible (before the Big Three) but STATS say otherwise (and your eyes would too if you followed him)!


Now, onto JG... I don't think he is trying to be P.P. (some suggest) but he is pulling good things from a better player to emulate! EVERY player (including MJ) took good things from players before him to become a better player... that is a good thing! Also, you say JG is not "good" (not great for sure, but don't go overboard) at those things, funny how the professionals (including teammates) think he is... they also said he wasn't aggressive enough, he didn't just come up with that out of the blue, the coaches and players told him he needed/needs to be!

JG wasn't terrible but he gets a lot of grief from a lot of people. People (especially young ones), need time to be comfortable with being assertive when you have 3 All-Star caliber vets who you play with and don't want to be seen as trying to outshine them. Now he has realized he is suppose to do more (Big Three wants him to), he is saying he is going to go out and try to do it... that's all I can ask of him at this point!

I certainly did watch Shaq at 37.  

But that's not really the point of my argument, I think we're actually agreeing.  Shaq was actually a better player at 37.

My point is that the 4 All Stars made 39-year-old Shaq look better than he actually was because he was getting uncontested or late-contested shots on a regular basis.  

My point is that the same can happen with Jeff Green.  Whether you think he's an average player or a future Hall of Famer, playing with the other 4 starters is going to make him look better than he actually is.  Thus being aggressive is a good thing.  We saw it with Baby too.  

When you're the afterthought of the defense, you can put up big numbers.  

[gar]

how bout jeff green gettin a lil jeff green in him..

be yo own man mr green..play yo game

thats ya problem kid~

TP. My thoughts exactly. Too long under Durant's Shadow and he forgot what a dominant player he could be.

[chambers]

Let's start with learning how to catch a basketball when the season is on the line

TP

that had nothing to do with Jeff's hands, it was a terrible pass.

Nothing wrong with Jeff taking small parts of different players games. Kobe does it and openly talks about it. He copies MJ, Kareem, Hakeem, Isiah.
Takes different signature moves and works on them to complete his game and open up his range of high percentage shots.
I would love for Jeff to develop a sweet inside out jumpshot like PP's or a small up fake/hesitation dribble and blow by to the rim move.

This is extremely encouraging to hear and i'd rather read about this and look forward to his improved game next season than rag on the young guy.

[jbaerg]

JG is going to kill next year (if there is a year)

[Assassin70]

Let's start with learning how to catch a basketball when the season is on the line

TP

that had nothing to do with Jeff's hands, it was a terrible pass.

Great pass, no
Good pass, no
Terrible pass, no.

It wasn't good.

It was a pass he should he caught.

[cman88]

Jeff Green is a pretty good player...hes long, athletic and has a pretty nice stroke. we have to remember he averaged 15ppg on a team with Durant/Westbrook playing out of position his whole career as an undersided PF

now, we're moving him to play a reserve role at the SF position. if he works on small aspects of his game and Doc/Rondo can find the perfect role for him then I think hes gonna have a breakout season(if there is one) he certainly has the talent to wreck havoc on alot of Bench SF's and be a good defender and operate in a 6th man role