CB Draft 2011 Atlantic Division Press Conferences

[StartOrien]

I think you're overlooking how loveable my team is.  I can't help it if my players are that good  Cool

Oh, for dang sure that's a likeable team that is equally talented

[mgent]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

[StartOrien]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

Slows the pace down on them, takes away isolation, could force them to take more 3's than they really should.

[mgent]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

Slows the pace down on them, takes away isolation, could force them to take more 3's than they really should.

Again, you break zones with turnaround jumpers.  Also dribble penetration and quick passing.  I definitely wouldn't play anything other than man on this team unless it was a night where Wade and Iggy weren't even hitting rim.  This isn't college or HS, you can't go into a game with a zone as your main strategy to slow the opponent.  When an NBA team is able to successfully maintain a zone on at least a somewhat consistent basis, then I'd revisit this argument.

[StartOrien]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

Slows the pace down on them, takes away isolation, could force them to take more 3's than they really should.

Again, you break zones with turnaround jumpers.  Also dribble penetration and quick passing.  I definitely wouldn't play anything other than man on this team unless it was a night where Wade and Iggy weren't even hitting rim.  This isn't college or HS, you can't go into a game with a zone as your main strategy to slow the opponent.  When an NBA team is able to successfully maintain a zone on at least a somewhat consistent basis, then I'd revisit this argument.

The Dallas Mavericks just won the NBA Championship and played a great deal of zone throughout their trip there.

Here's a breakdown of the pro's and con's of it against the Heat. I'd recommend the read Mgent, both because it's interesting but it also will set up some good point-counterpoint stuff for you if you do face someone who plans on using the zone.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/02/miamis-performance-against-dallas-zone/

[KCattheStripe]

I think if Mgent had 2010 pre injury David West, he'd be a runaway favorite. But post injury 31 year old West along with walking Injury Kenyon Martin, PF is a real concern.

[action781]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

Slows the pace down on them, takes away isolation, could force them to take more 3's than they really should.

Again, you break zones with turnaround jumpers.  Also dribble penetration and quick passing.  I definitely wouldn't play anything other than man on this team unless it was a night where Wade and Iggy weren't even hitting rim.  This isn't college or HS, you can't go into a game with a zone as your main strategy to slow the opponent.  When an NBA team is able to successfully maintain a zone on at least a somewhat consistent basis, then I'd revisit this argument.

The Dallas Mavericks just won the NBA Championship and played a great deal of zone throughout their trip there.

Here's a breakdown of the pro's and con's of it against the Heat. I'd recommend the read Mgent, both because it's interesting but it also will set up some good point-counterpoint stuff for you if you do face someone who plans on using the zone.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/02/miamis-performance-against-dallas-zone/

Also, Phoenix gave the Lakers a ton of trouble in the first 4 games of their playoff series last year with the 2-3 zone until the Lakers started bringing in Vujacic to spread the floor and hit outside shots.

I don't know where you've heard that turnaround jumpers is a way to attack a 2-3 zone.  From my experience coaching and playing basketball, I know of three keys to effectively attack a 2-3 zone:  good ball movement, penetration, and knocking down 3's.  Posting up and turnaround jumpers are rarely means of attacking a 2-3.  If that's your strategy, you will probably have a lot of turnovers.

[Roy H.]

To beat the zone, you need to attack the paint and move the ball.  Philly can do both very well.  Miami played very effectively against the zone until Lebron went into shutdown mode. Plus, Hinrich will punish teams that leave him open.

[mgent]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

Slows the pace down on them, takes away isolation, could force them to take more 3's than they really should.

Again, you break zones with turnaround jumpers.  Also dribble penetration and quick passing.  I definitely wouldn't play anything other than man on this team unless it was a night where Wade and Iggy weren't even hitting rim.  This isn't college or HS, you can't go into a game with a zone as your main strategy to slow the opponent.  When an NBA team is able to successfully maintain a zone on at least a somewhat consistent basis, then I'd revisit this argument.

The Dallas Mavericks just won the NBA Championship and played a great deal of zone throughout their trip there.

Here's a breakdown of the pro's and con's of it against the Heat. I'd recommend the read Mgent, both because it's interesting but it also will set up some good point-counterpoint stuff for you if you do face someone who plans on using the zone.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/02/miamis-performance-against-dallas-zone/

That's because LeBron wasn't aggressive enough though.  Dwyane Wade pretty much tore it up in the finals, he averaged 26.5 on 55% shooting compared to LeBron who had 17.8 on 48%, and actually averaged less than Bosh.  They also didn't have any bigs that were 3pt shooters like Bonner or Miller.

What percentage of the game did Dallas even play the zone for?  I don't really remember them playing it in the clutch ever.  The zone just isn't really that big of an argument.  It will slow down any team if they aren't hitting the 3s and if it's executed properly with the right players, but eventually the offense adjusts.

[mgent]

I think if Mgent had 2010 pre injury David West, he'd be a runaway favorite. But post injury 31 year old West along with walking Injury Kenyon Martin, PF is a real concern.

Don't forget I've got Splitter, Bonner, and Miller behind the 2 of them.

[KCattheStripe]

I think if Mgent had 2010 pre injury David West, he'd be a runaway favorite. But post injury 31 year old West along with walking Injury Kenyon Martin, PF is a real concern.

Don't forget I've got Splitter, Bonner, and Miller behind the 2 of them.

I'm not arguing depth, but Splitter couldn't earn big minutes when Duncan needed help, Bonner was one of the reasons Duncan needed help and Brad Miller is old. Brad Miller , though, is the very definition of "Cagey"

[StartOrien]

That's because LeBron wasn't aggressive enough though.  Dwyane Wade pretty much tore it up in the finals, he averaged 26.5 on 55% shooting compared to LeBron who had 17.8 on 48%, and actually averaged less than Bosh.  They also didn't have any bigs that were 3pt shooters like Bonner or Miller.

What percentage of the game did Dallas even play the zone for?  I don't really remember them playing it in the clutch ever.  The zone just isn't really that big of an argument.  It will slow down any team if they aren't hitting the 3s and if it's executed properly with the right players, but eventually the offense adjusts.

I'd have to say I disagree, it could really be a good argument. And there's one, maybe two particular teams out of the East that I really think could give you some trouble w/ the 2-3.

You can dismiss it, but I'm sure this won't be the last time it comes up. 

[StartOrien]

To be clear, I'm not one of those teams. I don't have the personnel.

[mgent]

Also I don't see how a 2-3 zone would bother my team in any way it wouldn't bother every team.  Wade and West both have very good post up games and turnaround jumpers.

Slows the pace down on them, takes away isolation, could force them to take more 3's than they really should.

Again, you break zones with turnaround jumpers.  Also dribble penetration and quick passing.  I definitely wouldn't play anything other than man on this team unless it was a night where Wade and Iggy weren't even hitting rim.  This isn't college or HS, you can't go into a game with a zone as your main strategy to slow the opponent.  When an NBA team is able to successfully maintain a zone on at least a somewhat consistent basis, then I'd revisit this argument.

The Dallas Mavericks just won the NBA Championship and played a great deal of zone throughout their trip there.

Here's a breakdown of the pro's and con's of it against the Heat. I'd recommend the read Mgent, both because it's interesting but it also will set up some good point-counterpoint stuff for you if you do face someone who plans on using the zone.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/02/miamis-performance-against-dallas-zone/

Also, Phoenix gave the Lakers a ton of trouble in the first 4 games of their playoff series last year with the 2-3 zone until the Lakers started bringing in Vujacic to spread the floor and hit outside shots.

I don't know where you've heard that turnaround jumpers is a way to attack a 2-3 zone.  From my experience coaching and playing basketball, I know of three keys to effectively attack a 2-3 zone:  good ball movement, penetration, and knocking down 3's.  Posting up and turnaround jumpers are rarely means of attacking a 2-3.  If that's your strategy, you will probably have a lot of turnovers.

I guess I kinda learned it from experience.  If you've got your back to the basket with a guy behind you, he's the only one that can affect your shot if you do a turnaround or a post move.  If somebody comes at you from the front then you can hit the open guy.  If not you can take a nice 1 on 1 shot as opposed to in the paint where the entire zone just collapses on you.  A turnaround or a fadeaway just gives you more space to get off the shot.

It's something to do if the 3s aren't falling or your guys aren't penetrating and turning the ball over.  None of which I think my team will have a problem with.

[mgent]

That's because LeBron wasn't aggressive enough though.  Dwyane Wade pretty much tore it up in the finals, he averaged 26.5 on 55% shooting compared to LeBron who had 17.8 on 48%, and actually averaged less than Bosh.  They also didn't have any bigs that were 3pt shooters like Bonner or Miller.

What percentage of the game did Dallas even play the zone for?  I don't really remember them playing it in the clutch ever.  The zone just isn't really that big of an argument.  It will slow down any team if they aren't hitting the 3s and if it's executed properly with the right players, but eventually the offense adjusts.

I'd have to say I disagree, it could really be a good argument. And there's one, maybe two particular teams out of the East that I really think could give you some trouble w/ the 2-3.

You can dismiss it, but I'm sure this won't be the last time it comes up. 

I'm not dismissing it, I'm just saying who really uses the zone effectively for the entire game?