Emeka Okafor Should be the deal breaker in any CP3 for Rondo trade = No Dwight

[PosImpos]

a) The chances of us getting Dwight any way are extremely low.

b) If taking on Emeka's contract is what it takes to get Paul, you have to do it. 

If the choice is CP3 + Okafor or a small chance at snagging Dwight Howard in free agency, I'll take the superstar and the solid role player center.

OK, but know that your roster until 2014-15 is Chris Paul,PP,Okafor and Maybe KG and Ray if they agree to come back for 5 or 6mil a year( the rest of the cap space)

Like I said you are contenders for 1 year and then what ?  KG is likely going to retire anyway and you have no ability to replace him with a big free agent .

If you just keep Rondo and all your trade chips and cap space, you already have an allstar PG and tons of cap room and trade chips to get another star in here.

Chris Paul, Paul Pierce, and Emeka Okafor is a much better core until 2014 than anything we're likely to have sticking with Rondo, cap space, and youth.


Would you prefer Rondo, OJ Mayo, and Brook Lopez?  Because that's probably a more likely free agent haul for 2012 than Dwight Howard.

[rondohondo]

a) The chances of us getting Dwight any way are extremely low.

b) If taking on Emeka's contract is what it takes to get Paul, you have to do it. 

If the choice is CP3 + Okafor or a small chance at snagging Dwight Howard in free agency, I'll take the superstar and the solid role player center.

OK, but know that your roster until 2014-15 is Chris Paul,PP,Okafor and Maybe KG and Ray if they agree to come back for 5 or 6mil a year( the rest of the cap space)

Like I said you are contenders for 1 year and then what ?  KG is likely going to retire anyway and you have no ability to replace him with a big free agent .

If you just keep Rondo and all your trade chips and cap space, you already have an allstar PG and tons of cap room and trade chips to get another star in here.

Chris Paul, Paul Pierce, and Emeka Okafor is a much better core until 2014 than anything we're likely to have sticking with Rondo, cap space, and youth.


Would you prefer Rondo, OJ Mayo, and Brook Lopez?  Because that's probably a more likely free agent haul for 2012 than Dwight Howard.

no , but like I said as long as you have trade chips and cap space you can get good players in here. Just look at Zach Randolph , the grizzlies were able to get him for pretty much nothing because they could just take on his salary because they were so far under the cap.

CP3,Okafor and PP have no better chance of winning a title than Rondo, PP and almost 2 max contracts worth of free cap space and a ton of trade chips(JJ,Green,Clippers pick,Bradley) to add more talent.

[BballTim]

a) The chances of us getting Dwight any way are extremely low.

b) If taking on Emeka's contract is what it takes to get Paul, you have to do it. 

If the choice is CP3 + Okafor or a small chance at snagging Dwight Howard in free agency, I'll take the superstar and the solid role player center.

OK, but know that your roster until 2014-15 is Chris Paul,PP,Okafor and Maybe KG and Ray if they agree to come back for 5 or 6mil a year( the rest of the cap space)

Like I said you are contenders for 1 year and then what ?  KG is likely going to retire anyway and you have no ability to replace him with a big free agent .

If you just keep Rondo and all your trade chips and cap space, you already have an allstar PG and tons of cap room and trade chips to get another star in here.

Chris Paul, Paul Pierce, and Emeka Okafor is a much better core until 2014 than anything we're likely to have sticking with Rondo, cap space, and youth.


Would you prefer Rondo, OJ Mayo, and Brook Lopez?  Because that's probably a more likely free agent haul for 2012 than Dwight Howard.

  How did you end up with PP on one team and not the other?

[pearljammer10]

We arent getting Dwight Howard.

[jdz101]

just because we are freeing up cap space doesn't mean its purely to get Howard.

[winsomme]

a) The chances of us getting Dwight any way are extremely low.

b) If taking on Emeka's contract is what it takes to get Paul, you have to do it.  

If the choice is CP3 + Okafor or a small chance at snagging Dwight Howard in free agency, I'll take the superstar and the solid role player center.

OK, but know that your roster until 2014-15 is Chris Paul,PP,Okafor and Maybe KG and Ray if they agree to come back for 5 or 6mil a year( the rest of the cap space)

Like I said you are contenders for 1 year and then what ?  KG is likely going to retire anyway and you have no ability to replace him with a big free agent .

If you just keep Rondo and all your trade chips and cap space, you already have an allstar PG and tons of cap room and trade chips to get another star in here.

if you are somehow able to get Ray back by being released in a Rondo for CP3 deal, you would probably have three more seasons with the big 3 plus CP3 and Okafor.

CP3
Ray
PP
KG
Okafor

is definitely the best starting 5 in the league. fill it out with DWest, Wafer, FA SF, Baby, JO and the rookies and you have a deep bench to go along with the starting 5.

I'm not looking to move Rajon, but CP3 is the one player I would seriously consider moving him for...not saying I would absolutely do it, but it would be interesting and open up that Big 3 window.

The best plan, on the other hand, is to play out this season and then sign DH as a FA bringing back KG and Ray on short money.

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
DH

That's option 1.

[jdpapa3]

Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but isn't Deron Williams in a similar situation to CP3 where there's a decent chance of him bolting town next summer? Just funny to me how it's Cp3 all the time and no love for Deron, even though they are very close.

Another thing is that I'm not even sure Emeka Okafor being taken in is definitely going to be a requirement. The teams that CP3 would actually sign an extension with are not that plentiful...they are not completely holding all the cards. Do we think Rondo's value is similar to the Nets unprotected 1st(weak draft) and Favors? I think it's similar value.

[greensamurai]

Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but isn't Deron Williams in a similar situation to CP3 where there's a decent chance of him bolting town next summer? Just funny to me how it's Cp3 all the time and no love for Deron, even though they are very close.

Another thing is that I'm not even sure Emeka Okafor being taken in is definitely going to be a requirement. The teams that CP3 would actually sign an extension with are not that plentiful...they are not completely holding all the cards. Do we think Rondo's value is similar to the Nets unprotected 1st(weak draft) and Favors? I think it's similar value.

I might be one of the few who would prefer Williams to Paul. Almost equal talent level.

The thing that scares me about Paul is his knees. It would blow completely if we trade Rondo and then Paul signs a 3-4 year extension and his knees give out and we end up like the Trailblazers (ie. Brandon Roy).

If we have to trade Rondo, I'd want Williams

[GreenEnvy]

Chris Paul has always been the guy I'd want to replace Rondo. Of course I would strongly consider Derron Williams and Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul just fits the mold.

I can't, however, say I'd definitely pull the trigger on a deal if it doesn't help the team now and later. I'm not sure if Rondo + Green for Paul + Okafor helps us all that much. We'd get an undersized and oft-injured center and lose a very good bench player who can actually play 3 positions.

If we can find a way to get Paul for something like Rondo, BBD S&T (wishful thinking), a pick (not the Clippers') and maybe another filler, I'd definitely do it.

Although CP3 may not be as great a passer as Rondo or as great defensively, he will change the offense immensely. I think without question they become the best offensive team in the league, even better than we looked with Shaq last year.


There's no guarantee Howard is coming here. Calling it a longshot would be an optimistic view. But we would be in better position with Paul than we would with Rondo, assuming we are enough under the cap in both scenarios. Taking on Okafor would make it that much more difficult, but not impossible (DA could move something like Okafor and Bradley for an expiring contract if such a one exists next season).

I guess I would do it. So long as we can get a good F with the MLE, another vet big (Murphy?), and resign Wafer and Delonte. The MLE would need to backup both Pierce and KG, which is hard to do. Maybe 'Quis for the vet min if he is cleared and then a legit PF?


It would kind of be Rondo and Perk for Paul and Okafor, which is a pretty fair deal IMO. I'd still try to get Rondo for Paul without taking on Okafor (Ariza maybe). Rondo is a legitimate All-Star signed at a cap-friendly deal. Paul is better, but not significantly. Sweeten the pot with picks or whatever, and maybe NOH takes it.

[LilRip]

Okafor sounds like quite a deal breaker. I'd take Rondo+Green+clippers pick for CP3+(small filler) in a heartbeat. If we have CP3 here, and RA and KG re-up for one year on a vet min (may or may not be likely), i think it's almost guaranteed that Dwight Howard will sign with us.

I know Deron is good, but he's not the defender that CP3 or Rondo is. Same goes with Rose.

[Vermont Green]

I would far rather have Chris Paul get in the way of DH than have DH get in the way of CP3.  I just don't see a winner in DH.

  DH has clearly been able to lead teams much farther than CP3, who's been in the league 6 years and made it out of the first round once.

Yes, but CP3 has had a crappier surrounding cast, played tougher first round playoff opponents, and played in a stronger conference every one of those years.

That said, it's still impossible to argue against the fact that DH has proven an ability to lead teams farther in the playoffs than CP with lots of pieces around him that aren't even the best fits.  It is crystal clear to me that Dwight Howard will win championships in the NBA if the right pieces are around him.

Dwight Howard reminds me too much of Terrell Owens.  Now I know he is not that bad but I just don't get the right vibe from him.  He is an exceptional player (like TO) but I just don't want to build my team around him.  He seems like the kind of guy who would legally change his name to Superman or something goofy like that.

I will take Chris Paul over Dwight.  If we can get both, fine but I hope that getting Dwight isn't plan A for Danny.

Rondo+Green+Clipper-Pick is a really good start towards a trade to get Chris Paul.  This is not out of the realm of possiblility.  I would rather keep Okafor out of it but if he had to be in the mix, I would not rule that out.  (all contingent of course that Chris Paul is structurally sound health-wise as he appeared to be in the playoffs).

[Moranis]

Chris Paul has always been the guy I'd want to replace Rondo. Of course I would strongly consider Derron Williams and Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul just fits the mold.

I can't, however, say I'd definitely pull the trigger on a deal if it doesn't help the team now and later. I'm not sure if Rondo + Green for Paul + Okafor helps us all that much. We'd get an undersized and oft-injured center and lose a very good bench player who can actually play 3 positions.

If we can find a way to get Paul for something like Rondo, BBD S&T (wishful thinking), a pick (not the Clippers') and maybe another filler, I'd definitely do it.

Although CP3 may not be as great a passer as Rondo or as great defensively, he will change the offense immensely. I think without question they become the best offensive team in the league, even better than we looked with Shaq last year.


There's no guarantee Howard is coming here. Calling it a longshot would be an optimistic view. But we would be in better position with Paul than we would with Rondo, assuming we are enough under the cap in both scenarios. Taking on Okafor would make it that much more difficult, but not impossible (DA could move something like Okafor and Bradley for an expiring contract if such a one exists next season).

I guess I would do it. So long as we can get a good F with the MLE, another vet big (Murphy?), and resign Wafer and Delonte. The MLE would need to backup both Pierce and KG, which is hard to do. Maybe 'Quis for the vet min if he is cleared and then a legit PF?


It would kind of be Rondo and Perk for Paul and Okafor, which is a pretty fair deal IMO. I'd still try to get Rondo for Paul without taking on Okafor (Ariza maybe). Rondo is a legitimate All-Star signed at a cap-friendly deal. Paul is better, but not significantly. Sweeten the pot with picks or whatever, and maybe NOH takes it.

by oft injured, you mean a center that has missed exactly 10 games in the last four season, then yes Okafor is an oft injured center.  Okafor is the same size as Howard, though not quite as muscular and certainly not the athlete (I'm not comparing their games either, just the fact that Okafor isn't exactly small).  Okafor is essentially a slightly better version of Perkins and is much healthier.  Not a world beater, but a good solid center.  He is probably overpaid for his production, but any center not named Dwight Howard fits that description, so I can't really hold it against him.

I'd rather have the sure thing of Paul and Okafor then a hope and pray that Howard ends up here with Rondo.  Just too much uncertainty even though Rondo and Howard is better then Paul and Okafor.    

[clover]

Okafor sounds like quite a deal breaker. I'd take Rondo+Green+clippers pick for CP3+(small filler) in a heartbeat. If we have CP3 here, and RA and KG re-up for one year on a vet min (may or may not be likely), i think it's almost guaranteed that Dwight Howard will sign with us.

I know Deron is good, but he's not the defender that CP3 or Rondo is. Same goes with Rose.

I don't see how one year of KG and RA, two years older than they were last year, is going to determine where DH signs long-term.

[LilRip]

Okafor sounds like quite a deal breaker. I'd take Rondo+Green+clippers pick for CP3+(small filler) in a heartbeat. If we have CP3 here, and RA and KG re-up for one year on a vet min (may or may not be likely), i think it's almost guaranteed that Dwight Howard will sign with us.

I know Deron is good, but he's not the defender that CP3 or Rondo is. Same goes with Rose.

I don't see how one year of KG and RA, two years older than they were last year, is going to determine where DH signs long-term.

yes, but i can see how having CP3 in the long-term does.

[timepiece33]

Okafor sounds like quite a deal breaker. I'd take Rondo+Green+clippers pick for CP3+(small filler) in a heartbeat. If we have CP3 here, and RA and KG re-up for one year on a vet min (may or may not be likely), i think it's almost guaranteed that Dwight Howard will sign with us.

I know Deron is good, but he's not the defender that CP3 or Rondo is. Same goes with Rose.

I don't see how one year of KG and RA, two years older than they were last year, is going to determine where DH signs long-term.

yes, but i can see how having CP3 in the long-term does.

That assumes that Paul would sign here long term.   I'm not sold that the aging Big 3 without Rondo is that appealing to someone like Paul.