KG's career = overrated not a franchise player not a true #1 deal with it?

[adrew35]

I was arguing with a fan about this.
He said KG would never be a legit true #1 or a legit franchise player etc.

[indeedproceed]

KG was never a #1 on a championship team. I don't see how that's debatable.

Could he have been? Is he better than other 'true #1's'? That's debatable.

[KCattheStripe]

Define #1. #1 offensive option? No. Best player? He was in 08.

[indeedproceed]

Define #1. #1 offensive option? No. Best player? He was in 08.

Not in the playoffs. If you wanna talk about defensive impact, most pivotal player in changing a mindset, sure...but offense has to work in there somewhere, and he was not spectacular in 08.

EDIT: Remember how big a deal it was when he scored 20 pts in a game? KG was off in 08 during the playoffs.

(waiting for statistical argument he vaguely remembers to rain on his head)

[KCattheStripe]

Define #1. #1 offensive option? No. Best player? He was in 08.

Not in the playoffs. If you wanna talk about defensive impact, most pivotal player in changing a mindset, sure...but offense has to work in there somewhere, and he was not spectacular in 08.

EDIT: Remember how big a deal it was when he scored 20 pts in a game? KG was off in 08 during the playoffs.

(waiting for statistical argument he vaguely remembers to rain on his head)

So am I, Faf knows it so it'll come.

[KCattheStripe]

FWIW, he was literally a 20/10 player in the playoffs with a block a game.

[indeedproceed]

FWIW, he was literally a 20/10 player in the playoffs with a block a game.

I saw that minutes after I typed my post. Hence the edit. But, I'm sure you watched the playoffs as much as I did..and those games where you were praying that KG would take over..rarely manifested. Stats be darned (ha), I know what I saw.

[BballTim]

Define #1. #1 offensive option? No. Best player? He was in 08.

Not in the playoffs. If you wanna talk about defensive impact, most pivotal player in changing a mindset, sure...but offense has to work in there somewhere, and he was not spectacular in 08.

EDIT: Remember how big a deal it was when he scored 20 pts in a game? KG was off in 08 during the playoffs.

(waiting for statistical argument he vaguely remembers to rain on his head)

  Does the fact that KG has a higher career playoff scoring average than Magic Johnson mean that neither of them were franchise players?

  BTW, KG averaged 20 a game in the 08 playoffs.

[get_banners]

FWIW, he was literally a 20/10 player in the playoffs with a block a game.

I saw that minutes after I typed my post. Hence the edit. But, I'm sure you watched the playoffs as much as I did..and those games where you were praying that KG would take over..rarely manifested. Stats be darned (ha), I know what I saw.

KG frequently takes over. It's just more often on the defensive end. If you score 20 and neutralize your guy with your D, that's better than you scoring 30 and him scoring 20. And, yeah, as others have pointed, KG is a 20/10 guy in the postseason. Couple that with his defense, and you have a franchise guy right there.

[indeedproceed]

Define #1. #1 offensive option? No. Best player? He was in 08.

Not in the playoffs. If you wanna talk about defensive impact, most pivotal player in changing a mindset, sure...but offense has to work in there somewhere, and he was not spectacular in 08.

EDIT: Remember how big a deal it was when he scored 20 pts in a game? KG was off in 08 during the playoffs.

(waiting for statistical argument he vaguely remembers to rain on his head)

  Does the fact that KG has a higher career playoff scoring average than Magic Johnson mean that neither of them were franchise players?

  BTW, KG averaged 20 a game in the 08 playoffs.

Fair enough, but he wasn't Boston's best player in the 08 playoffs..and also, it was addressed in the previous post.

[indeedproceed]

FWIW, he was literally a 20/10 player in the playoffs with a block a game.

I saw that minutes after I typed my post. Hence the edit. But, I'm sure you watched the playoffs as much as I did..and those games where you were praying that KG would take over..rarely manifested. Stats be darned (ha), I know what I saw.

KG frequently takes over. It's just more often on the defensive end. If you score 20 and neutralize your guy with your D, that's better than you scoring 30 and him scoring 20. And, yeah, as others have pointed, KG is a 20/10 guy in the postseason. Couple that with his defense, and you have a franchise guy right there.

Well its 2am, and Im about to go to sleep so I'm not going to look over the games from 2008 to contradict that..but allow me to say this: Pierce won the 2008 Finals MVP. Hence, he was Boston's Most Valuable Player in the Finals. The original comment was that KG was not a legit franchise #1. The best way to define that is with a banner, and Pierce has been the acknowledged leader in those playoffs, so it wasn't KG.

Maybe KG could've been the #1 on another team, with another cast, but he wasnt with Boston in 08.

[BballTim]

Define #1. #1 offensive option? No. Best player? He was in 08.

Not in the playoffs. If you wanna talk about defensive impact, most pivotal player in changing a mindset, sure...but offense has to work in there somewhere, and he was not spectacular in 08.

EDIT: Remember how big a deal it was when he scored 20 pts in a game? KG was off in 08 during the playoffs.

(waiting for statistical argument he vaguely remembers to rain on his head)

  Does the fact that KG has a higher career playoff scoring average than Magic Johnson mean that neither of them were franchise players?

  BTW, KG averaged 20 a game in the 08 playoffs.

Fair enough, but he wasn't Boston's best player in the 08 playoffs..and also, it was addressed in the previous post.

  http://www.82games.com/0708/playoffs/0708BOS.HTM

  Best PER by far, best PER differential and on/off differential by far, led the team in scoring and rebounding, was obviously our best defender, and I can recall someone posting here that he was our leading 4th quarter scorer in the playoffs. I'd say that qualifies him to be the best player.

[Bahku]

I was arguing with a fan about this.
He said KG would never be a legit true #1 or a legit franchise player etc.

Tell the fan this: "The Franchise" was one of KG's nick-names while in Minnesota ... for a good reason. 'Nuff sed.

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[jdz101]

Overrated? Hell no. Brilliant player his whole career.

[j804]

KG was never a #1 on a championship team. I don't see how that's debatable.

Could he have been? Is he better than other 'true #1's'? That's debatable.

Nice Tony Starks sig IP!