How is Lebron a better player than D-Wade??

[KCattheStripe]

Dwayne is also filling the gaps at 6'4" by essentially playing not only defense as a guard but also blocking shots in the half court and rebounding. He's essentially playing the 2 and making up for the fact that they don't have an above average big.

[Fafnir]

I guess we're done, two bad games this year and 4 bad games in 2006-2007 with Larry Hughes as your running mate clearly indicates the quality of player LeBron is to you.

I perfer to look at all of his playoff perfromances.

I'm not talking about who won it, cause its a team effort.

You don't think the quality of team effects how well an individual player can perform?

Shaq's presence in 2006 made a lot of things possible for Wade. Dismiss the ECF all you want, but if you don't perform their your team usually doesn't get to the Finals. (see Derrick Rose)

What games are you watchin?
Wade has so many more games in this years playoffs where he was the best player on the floor and was their closer. Its just that every great game Lebron has, its broadcast news on ESPN

Same games as you we just have different opinions.

I'm curious to which games you refer to though, because he was legitimately bad for the entire ECF. He was also very up and down against Boston/Philly. LeBron has had a few bad games each series but overall has been the Heat's best player in the playoffs.

Wade's just been better in the Finals.

[Fafnir]

Please stop using a Strawman argument here.  You have misrepresnted my opinion a couple times already.  I never said, "Only SB/Finals performances matter."

You're right, you only said they matter more. Except you never mention the other games once, you don't refer to them.

If the other things matter, why are you ignoring Wade's crappy playoff results when he hasn't been to the Finals? Wade has had far more poor showings in the playoffs than LeBron. Heck my by reckoning Wade has had more poor games during this years playoffs than LeBron.

Or even missing the playoffs and having a lottery bound team in his prime.

Because I simply replied to your comment that he was a better post season player and I disagreed because to me finals performances carry more weight.  I don't know how else I can say this.

Yeah I think we both have made our POV clear.

[OsirusCeltics]

I guess we're done, two bad games this year and 4 bad games in 2006-2007 with Larry Hughes as your running mate clearly indicates the quality of player LeBron is to you.

I perfer to look at all of his playoff perfromances.

I'm not talking about who won it, cause its a team effort.

You don't think the quality of team effects how well an individual player can perform?

Shaq's presence in 2006 made a lot of things possible for Wade. Dismiss the ECF all you want, but if you don't perform their your team usually doesn't get to the Finals. (see Derrick Rose)

What games are you watchin?
Wade has so many more games in this years playoffs where he was the best player on the floor and was their closer. Its just that every great game Lebron has, its broadcast news on ESPN

Same games as you we just have different opinions.

I'm curious to which games you refer to though, because he was legitimately bad for the entire ECF. He was also very up and down against Boston/Philly. LeBron has had a few bad games each series but overall has been the Heat's best player in the playoffs.

Wade's just been better in the Finals.

Well if he's doing well in the Finals, isn't that all that matters?

Yes, Lebron has had better games stat-wise
But its about stepping up when it counts. Like clutch moments against the Sixers, Celtics (game 1 and game 4), that late game run in game 5 against the Bulls. Wade is the batman on this team

[Fafnir]

Well if he's doing well in the Finals, isn't that all that matters?

No, you have to get to the Finals first.

LeBron hitting several ridiculous threes in the Boston series is what I remeber, along with his overall dominance on the series.

I suppose Wade's clutch take down of Rondo should be considered as well.

[BballTim]

I suppose Wade's clutch take down of Rondo should be considered as well.

  He also baited PP into getting tossed from game 1. But the Rondo thing was the most valuable contribution he made to the Heat in the postseason.

[Roy H.]

I'm curious to which games you refer to though, because he was legitimately bad for the entire ECF. He was also very up and down against Boston/Philly. LeBron has had a few bad games each series but overall has been the Heat's best player in the playoffs.

Wade's just been better in the Finals.

I don't think Wade was that up-and-down against the Celts.  His worst game that series was 23 points, 6 rebounds, 7 assists on 42% shooting.

He was mediocre in Games 1 and 2 against Philly, and he struggled in Games 3 through 5 in Miami (although I wouldn't call him legitimately bad). 

On balance, though, Wade has been very good.  He is the Heat's leading scorer, and he leads the team in FG%, eFG%, TS%, and PER.  He is virtually tied with Lebron in terms of TRB% and AST%, and has a slightly lower TOV%.

I think there's a very strong argument that Wade has been the Heat's best overall player during the course of the playoffs, with Lebron very slightly behind.

[jambr380]

I guess we're done, two bad games this year and 4 bad games in 2006-2007 with Larry Hughes as your running mate clearly indicates the quality of player LeBron is to you.

I perfer to look at all of his playoff perfromances.

I'm not talking about who won it, cause its a team effort.

You don't think the quality of team effects how well an individual player can perform?

Shaq's presence in 2006 made a lot of things possible for Wade. Dismiss the ECF all you want, but if you don't perform their your team usually doesn't get to the Finals. (see Derrick Rose)

What games are you watchin?
Wade has so many more games in this years playoffs where he was the best player on the floor and was their closer. Its just that every great game Lebron has, its broadcast news on ESPN

I know being a 'closer' is an important part of being a great player, but if that is all that mattered, then Ray Allen would be considered our best player (and I think most people would say he is our fourth). Last night, for instance, Wade was a horrible closer and just bobbled the ball into the backcourt. Wade is a great player in the NBA today and is so far the finals MVP, but the finals aren't over yet...

[Chief]

I'm curious to which games you refer to though, because he was legitimately bad for the entire ECF. He was also very up and down against Boston/Philly. LeBron has had a few bad games each series but overall has been the Heat's best player in the playoffs.

Wade's just been better in the Finals.

I don't think Wade was that up-and-down against the Celts.  His worst game that series was 23 points, 6 rebounds, 7 assists on 42% shooting.

He was mediocre in Games 1 and 2 against Philly, and he struggled in Games 3 through 5 in Miami (although I wouldn't call him legitimately bad). 

On balance, though, Wade has been very good.  He is the Heat's leading scorer, and he leads the team in FG%, eFG%, TS%, and PER.  He is virtually tied with Lebron in terms of TRB% and AST%, and has a slightly lower TOV%.

I think there's a very strong argument that Wade has been the Heat's best overall player during the course of the playoffs, with Lebron very slightly behind.

The difference in the two players is a mental thing. Lebron has been mentally weak his whole career. Wade is right opposite. It shows the most when the opponent has equal talent and time to prepare. Lebron looks like Mike Tyson. If he can't knock you out early he gets mentally frustrated and does not know what to do. Wade brings it for the whole game when it counts. In both of his Finals appearances, he has looked like Jordan and Kobe.

[soap07]

The difference in the two players is a mental thing. Lebron has been mentally weak his whole career.

I know that this is an easy (and lazy) narrative to point to every time LeBron has a poor game, but it's just not true. LeBron's overall playoff numbers are actually very good and has had many instances of taking over playoff games.

[Donoghus]

The difference in the two players is a mental thing. Lebron has been mentally weak his whole career.

I know that this is an easy (and lazy) narrative to point to every time LeBron has a poor game, but it's just not true. LeBron's overall playoff numbers are actually very good and has had many instances of taking over playoff games.

However, he's also had the occasion where it looked like he quit on a team (see BOS-CLE 2010).  That left an indeliable mark on a lot of people. 

Dwayne Wade hasn't had a moment like that. 

I do think Lebron is the better player (and there's no doubt in my mind there).  However, I think its fair game to bring up Lebron's mental makeup in comparison to Wade's if there's a discussion between the two.

[Chief]

The difference in the two players is a mental thing. Lebron has been mentally weak his whole career.

I know that this is an easy (and lazy) narrative to point to every time LeBron has a poor game, but it's just not true. LeBron's overall playoff numbers are actually very good and has had many instances of taking over playoff games.

I'm not sure about easy or lazy but it's what I've seen his whole career. Yes, at times he has dominated a weaker opponent in the playoffs. But besides the one game verses Detroit, years ago, I can't remember him taking over playoff games against equal competition.

[Vermont Green]

I am too lazy to dig up stats but Wade scares me more than Lebron when he is on the court against the Celtics.  That isn't saying that LeBron isn't good also.

The problem with Wade is that I always feel like he is an injury waiting to happen where as with Lebron, I feel like he is going to play forever.

It also seems to me that Dallas has focused more on stopping Lebron and has better matchups to stop Lebron.

Wade did miss a key free throw and booted the last play last night so no one is perfect.

[soap07]

However, he's also had the occasion where it looked like he quit on a team (see BOS-CLE 2010).  That left an indeliable mark on a lot of people. 

I suppose we can agree to disagree on whether LeBron quit against Boston that year. I choose to believe that he didn't.

I do think Lebron is the better player (and there's no doubt in my mind there).  However, I think its fair game to bring up Lebron's mental makeup in comparison to Wade's if there's a discussion between the two.

Fair point.

[soap07]

Yes, at times he has dominated a weaker opponent in the playoffs. But besides the one game verses Detroit, years ago, I can't remember him taking over playoff games against equal competition.

How about Game 7 against the Celtics? Hell, the entire series against Detroit...How about the last two rounds of this year's playoffs?