Happy to have Jeff Green

[PortCelt]

I am hoping we see an improvement. 



I am also hoping he only gets the one year offer as to not effect 2012.  If he improves, resign him then.  If not, cap space and sign and trades.

Yes the real downside of the trade would be extending Green past next season only because his offensive numbers may coincide to playing big minutes alongside KD/RW and living off their scraps.

He should be much better defensively with a full training camp, and he does have all the tools. But what's upstairs is what bothers me. If he had the alpha male mentality of a Posey then a long term deal would be a no brainer. D. West signing a one year deal for the vet. raise would also help the cause.

[Vermont Green]

I can't help but go back to Chauncey Billups.  He was 21 when he came in and spent 5 seasons searching (is he a PG or an SG) before he ended up in Detroit at age 26 and was Finals MVP at age 27.

Jeff Green will be 25 when next season starts and like Billups up to that point, has not fulfilled his promise or really found a position.  I like him and I see the only potential problem is if he thinks he is worth more than he is.

Rudy Gay's contract may be one he is looking at [$13.8/15.0/16.5/17.9/19/4] and that is way too much but it is not inconceivable that he approaches Gay's talent/production.  I don't see a 1 year deal getting it done and I think that is OK. Maybe they can agree to something like 3 years, $30M total although all these guys end up getting way more than I think.

[paulcowens]

Although I hate The Trade, I don't hate Green.  I'm glad we have him and I'm looking forward to his development next year.  But it seems like some kind of legend has built up around this kid, who hasn't exactly been stellar in his career so far, and when folks try to express what they see in him, they seem to fall back on 'he's young, athletic and smart'.   Those are good things, but they don't by themselves add up to a  great basketball player.  Green's career seems to have given rise to as many questions as answers.    I think cautiously hopeful is a good attitude to have about him.

[gar]

Green definitely is valuable to this team whether you like him as a player or not. He has some growing to do; but his size, speed and leaping ability will be key. PP did not have a reliable 3pt. shot when he was 25. You could run your offense through Green as we did when the Vets sat at the end of the season. That is hard to find. He is not going to replace PP overnight; but is a valuable piece of the puzzle.

[BigDanz2000]

I can't help but go back to Chauncey Billups.  He was 21 when he came in and spent 5 seasons searching (is he a PG or an SG) before he ended up in Detroit at age 26 and was Finals MVP at age 27.

Jeff Green will be 25 when next season starts and like Billups up to that point, has not fulfilled his promise or really found a position.  I like him and I see the only potential problem is if he thinks he is worth more than he is.

Rudy Gay's contract may be one he is looking at [$13.8/15.0/16.5/17.9/19/4] and that is way too much but it is not inconceivable that he approaches Gay's talent/production.  I don't see a 1 year deal getting it done and I think that is OK. Maybe they can agree to something like 3 years, $30M total although all these guys end up getting way more than I think.

While I was thinking along the same lines, I was not going for Chauncey, but rather Joe Johnson.  Am I way off on this?

[gar]

two major mistakes; but I think we did get something back in at least one case. Much of what we have done since that point has been to make up for not having a Chauncy or a J Johnson type player. Imagine Chauncey, JJ, PP.....

[2short]

I think he is going to end up being a great pickup.  I do not see him averaging 20 pts a game.  I can see 15-18 within the flow of the game.  I love his post offense (best on team with shaq now retired) and am impressed with his pierce like step back jumper.  As others have noted its his defense/athletic ability that is going to help on the long/strong sf in the league now.
I am really for him starting, not that he is better than pierce, and averaging around 15/5/3.  If I was doc I'd do the let the offense come to you, have a few plays run for him but rondo will get him open looks.  More concentrate on defense and rebounding two big things the c's need.  Green can give you minutes at both forward posistions and PP can give you swing man minutes off the bench.  I would still expect Pierce to average his same numbers but only cut his minutes by 3-5.  I would want an end of game lineup:
rondo,ray,paul,green and kg

[Who]

In terms of offensive potential, I see Jeff Green being able to be a 17-20ppg threat as an undersized PF (however, a defense/rebounding liability) but only a 12-14ppg type guy as a starting SF (with above average defense and hopefully rebounding).

J.Green could average a little more offensively on a weak offensive team, get it up around or slightly above 15ppg, but I think he is a 12-14ppg guy on a title contender.

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One of the reasons I like Jeff Green a lot as a backup forward is because the Celtics can use him as an undersized PF against other team's bench PFs where J.Green's defense + rebounding issues are oftentimes less of an issue than they were in Oklahoma vs starting quality PFs.

I think they can get a little more out of him offensively as a bench player, as a combo forward sixth man, than they could as a starting SF.

[mgent]

I don't see Green as a 20 to 23 point player, and I don't see him ever becoming great.

However, I do think he can be useful.  I think he has the potential to be about average as a starting SF, or very good as a sixth man if he embraces that role.

When better to embrace that role than on the number 1 seeded team, with the current 6th man out a few games, and the team in DIRE need of pretty much the only thing you bring to the table?

If he didn't take that role this year, I don't know what he's waiting for.  I think he's just not aggressive enough.  And I'm starting to think that everybody's forgotten that in OKC he had a quickness advantage on his opponent EVERY SINGLE night.

[jr_3421]

His biggest problem goes unnoticed- that is his HORRIBLE footwork

BINGO. That is the biggest flaw in his game IMO. I think it hurts him more on the defensive end however. I hope he can learn from Pierce who is said to have the best footwork in the game.

[LooseCannon]

I think with a full traning camp and a full off season for Doc to see how he can use this kid he will be more improved.

With the impending lockout, this seems unlikely to happen.

[tenn_smoothie]

if Jeff Green has trouble dealing with pressure, he is on the wrong team in the wrong town.

[Vermont Green]

Green averaged between 15-16.5 per game for about 2.5 seasons while playing somewhat out of position.  I don't think that scoring is the issue next year for him.  This current team is best with KG at PF alongside a decent center (likely to be JO next year).  Green provides some great versitility to allow a smaller line-up with him at PF and KG at C and also a big line-up with Pierce at SG and Green at SF.  That is what they need from him next season.

After that, depending on who retires, there will be some starting spots open and I predict he will be more then ready to take one of them.  I see him as more of a SF but as he matures, he might be fine at PF as well.

[cman88]

Greens certainly not near Pierces level....but I think people are underrating him here..alot of teams wouldnt mind to have him as their starting let alone backup SF...Luol Deng averaged about the same PPG playing his natural position that Jeff Green did playing out of position....

As far as defense goes, I think we have seen with Chicago and the Celtics that it is more a product of the system. and I am not worried about Green as with a training camp he will buy into the defensive system and doc will find the best way to use him...I dont think we saw his potential this year as he seemed hesitant to look for his own offense amongst HOFamers and long term Bench celts such as BBD and for the first time in his NBA career was playing mainly at the 3

I think he could averate 15pts next year for the C's and provide us with a consistent scoring option off the bench next to D. west(as long as he stays healthy and is resigned)

If Green and Rondo can play at the levels they are capable of next season, it makes the Celtics a deadly team as you need someone to come in and take the Scoring load off of the "big 3"

plus, a backcourt of Rondo and Jeff green will allow us to push the ball more off turnovers that can lead to easy buckets in transition...too often last season have we seen Rondo run up court only to stop and wait for the rest of the team to catch up with him.

[Who]

Greens certainly not near Pierces level....but I think people are underrating him here..alot of teams wouldnt mind to have him as their starting let alone backup SF...Luol Deng averaged about the same PPG playing his natural position that Jeff Green did playing out of position....

Where we differ is that I believe Jeff Green playing out of position was an advantage for his offensively.

A disadvantage overall but solely in terms of offense an advantage for J.Green.

His athleticism and skill-set is a much tougher cover for PFs than SFs.

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I think J.Green has more to offer than he showed in Oklahoma but because of his defense + rebounding rather than his offense which are much improved at the SF position vs the PF position.

Although, he didn't show that rebounding ability while here last season. Next year, hopefully.