Wait...so can we afford to lose Baby?

[PortCelt]

The Celtics needs multiple big men off the bench.



Unless they can find two better then Davis willing to sign small, Davis is needed for this team to compete for a title next year.  

using the sign and trade I believe it could be possible to land both dalembert and anthony randolph this off season.
1: S&T baby to sac for S&T Dalembert.
sac loosing the big guy may want something in return.
2: S&T green along with bradley to sota for randolph and filler (ridnour?)
3: sign T Prince to MLE (or use mle on dal and send baby to detroit)


rondo, ridnour?
allen, west
pierce, prince
kg, randolph
Dal, JO

voila! length, athleticism, rebounding and DEPTH!

Why do the Kings want Baby? 

As much as I think Green might be a bad fit, I would not give up him and Bradley for Randolph. 

100% ... Defensively Davis is superior to Randolph

[arctic 3.0]

The Celtics needs multiple big men off the bench.



Unless they can find two better then Davis willing to sign small, Davis is needed for this team to compete for a title next year.  

using the sign and trade I believe it could be possible to land both dalembert and anthony randolph this off season.
1: S&T baby to sac for S&T Dalembert.
sac loosing the big guy may want something in return.
2: S&T green along with bradley to sota for randolph and filler (ridnour?)
3: sign T Prince to MLE (or use mle on dal and send baby to detroit)


rondo, ridnour?
allen, west
pierce, prince
kg, randolph
Dal, JO

voila! length, athleticism, rebounding and DEPTH!

Why do the Kings want Baby? 

As much as I think Green might be a bad fit, I would not give up him and Bradley for Randolph. 

100% ... Defensively Davis is superior to Randolph

in march and april randolph averaged over 20 minutes. In that span he scored just over 12 pts per game pulled down a shade under 6 boards blocked 3/4 of a shot per game and averaged just under a steal per game.
in his best stretch of equal length baby bested that by  2 points and a rebound while averaging nearly 10 minutes more per game in the span.

[Chris]

The Celtics needs multiple big men off the bench.



Unless they can find two better then Davis willing to sign small, Davis is needed for this team to compete for a title next year.  

using the sign and trade I believe it could be possible to land both dalembert and anthony randolph this off season.
1: S&T baby to sac for S&T Dalembert.
sac loosing the big guy may want something in return.
2: S&T green along with bradley to sota for randolph and filler (ridnour?)
3: sign T Prince to MLE (or use mle on dal and send baby to detroit)


rondo, ridnour?
allen, west
pierce, prince
kg, randolph
Dal, JO

voila! length, athleticism, rebounding and DEPTH!

Why do the Kings want Baby? 

As much as I think Green might be a bad fit, I would not give up him and Bradley for Randolph. 

100% ... Defensively Davis is superior to Randolph

in march and april randolph averaged over 20 minutes. In that span he scored just over 12 pts per game pulled down a shade under 6 boards blocked 3/4 of a shot per game and averaged just under a steal per game.
in his best stretch of equal length baby bested that by  2 points and a rebound while averaging nearly 10 minutes more per game in the span.

What does that have to do with defense.  Randolph did that for arguably the worst defensive team in the league.

[droopdog7]

Way late to this thread but I am laughing my ass off at the idea that BBD has huge trade value.  Dude is't worth very much really.

[arctic 3.0]

The Celtics needs multiple big men off the bench.



Unless they can find two better then Davis willing to sign small, Davis is needed for this team to compete for a title next year.  

using the sign and trade I believe it could be possible to land both dalembert and anthony randolph this off season.
1: S&T baby to sac for S&T Dalembert.
sac loosing the big guy may want something in return.
2: S&T green along with bradley to sota for randolph and filler (ridnour?)
3: sign T Prince to MLE (or use mle on dal and send baby to detroit)


rondo, ridnour?
allen, west
pierce, prince
kg, randolph
Dal, JO

voila! length, athleticism, rebounding and DEPTH!

Why do the Kings want Baby?  

As much as I think Green might be a bad fit, I would not give up him and Bradley for Randolph.  

100% ... Defensively Davis is superior to Randolph

in march and april randolph averaged over 20 minutes. In that span he scored just over 12 pts per game pulled down a shade under 6 boards blocked 3/4 of a shot per game and averaged just under a steal per game.
in his best stretch of equal length baby bested that by  2 points and a rebound while averaging nearly 10 minutes more per game in the span.

What does that have to do with defense.  Randolph did that for arguably the worst defensive team in the league.

no question, however imo randolph has the tools to be a good if not excellent defender.

back to the original proposal...
would the c's be better off next season with baby, green and bradley or with dalember, randolph and ridnour?
i'd take the latter.

[crafty213]

BBD has limited trade value at this point.  Also no way Ainge sacrifices any cap flexibility in 2012 to resign a bench player. Outside of that anything is possible.

[Who]

A.Randolph has a lot of flaws defensively. It would take him at least one full year of good development to even become an average defensive player at the PF position.

I do agree that he has wonderful potential as a defender there though. It'll just take time to turn that potential into ability and a team like Boston, a title contender, one that is desperately clinging onto one last shot at a title, is not the place for such a flawed player to be developing.

[TradeProposalDude]

I love Big Baby as an energy guy who takes charges and is versatile scoring wise. However he thinks he's better than he really is these days. A Big Baby who plays within his role is satisfying. But once he tries to play above and beyond his abilities, you see chucking, defensive lapses, and bad decisions with the basketball. At the right price he is an asset. But the Celtics should also seek free agent options that help the Cs in areas that KG/Baby don't provide. Someone in another thread brought up Nene's name. Nene is a banger and is actually a decent, efficient post scorer. I think he may be out of the Celtics' price range though.

[cman88]

Baby's poor performance may have helped us more than anything to retain baby's services as teams wont be scrambling as much for him...but danny shouldn't offer him more than a 1year contrat

with our limited resources, Danny's best way to build the bench this summer may be to just keep our 2nd unit and try and add some peices to it like the MLE for another 5...and a training camp to get them more acclimated to the system

[2short]

Only thing I'd do with davis is sign and trade, his attitude issues might get even worse next year.  remember he believes he is a starter in the nba
I did this once before but no one ever answered.  Quick name an nba team that he can start pf for!

[housecall]

If Glen Davis is a Celtic next season, Doc Rivers will play him more minutes than is warranted.  That's just the way Doc is.  The only way to avoid Big Baby being overplayed is to not have him on the roster.

Bingo!and tp...sounds like there is some issues that go beyond BBD.

[mctyson]

I was all for letting go of Baby. ...

But after he goes, we'd have to get a backup PF and a center.

My guess is right now Danny and Doc plan on having Jeff Green at 30 minutes a night between the 3 and 4.  KG will probably get 30+ a night at 4 and 5.  Assume JG gets 15 minutes at the 4, KG 15 minutes at the 5...you need someone for 10 minutes at the 4 and 25 minutes at the 5.  The 4 doesn't need to be anything special.

[Marcus13]

If Kristic is gone, we NEED BBD back!

We have KG and JO in the post.

That's it.  We are going to get absolutely abused in the post night in and night out

[Spilling Green Dye]

If Kristic is gone, we NEED BBD back!

We have KG and JO in the post.

That's it.  We are going to get absolutely abused in the post night in and night out

False, we do not need him back.  BBD is entering a pool filled with other free agents.  We can acquire any of the free agents via signing, or we can trade for another player already under contract.  We have valuable draft picks (i.e. Clippers' pick, etc) that we can use to acquire a different backup bigman.  All of these options are better than re-signing BBD in my opinion.

There's no reason to panic, there are other big men out there.

[Marcus13]

If Kristic is gone, we NEED BBD back!

We have KG and JO in the post.

That's it.  We are going to get absolutely abused in the post night in and night out

False, we do not need him back.  BBD is entering a pool filled with other free agents.  We can acquire any of the free agents via signing, or we can trade for another player already under contract.  We have valuable draft picks (i.e. Clippers' pick, etc) that we can use to acquire a different backup bigman.  All of these options are better than re-signing BBD in my opinion.

There's no reason to panic, there are other big men out there.

There are other big men out there...but Danny has pretty much shown us he doesn't want anything on the books after this upcoming season.  Not many players are going to want to sign here for a year when they'll have other 2 or 3 year offers from other teams