Wait...so can we afford to lose Baby?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Yes. Yes we can.

[pearljammer10]

We can afford to lose him, and I wish to be the first one to kick him out the door.

[mgent]

Well, we definitely can't afford to have him be our first big off the bench again.

So I'd take the risk.

I gotta say I wish we kept Harangody.  He was a much better scorer, REBOUNDER, hustler, and shooter than Baby, defense be [dang]ed.  That kid was a walking tommy point.

[chambers]

He had a shocking 2nd half of the season.
Fact is:
1)he knows our sets
2)He probably can't play any worse than he did at the end of this season.
3)He is obviously injured. Doc says he isn't but KG and other players have stated he was injured. This is probably effecting his weight/fitness and mental state.
4)the first half of last season he was (as he has been before), one of the front runners for 6th man of the year.
5) he knows our sets- I can't stress how critical this is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It simply astonishes me how many people throw this kid under the bus after a bad 6 months. He has done so much for us and without him we wouldn't have banner 18.
Now I don't want to overpay for him but people saying they don't want him back under any circumstance is ridiculous.
  What made me laugh reading this topic was one reply stating something along the lines of ...
'we could pick someone up just as effective as Davis in the draft, so I'm not worried about him leaving'.

Seriously?
What a farce.

Please explain how that reaches the level of farcity.  It may not be a sure thing that we can get someone at least as good as Davis with the 25th pick in the draft, but it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. 

Although this is considered a "weak draft," there seem to be a lot of players out there who aren't necessarily superstars, but who look like they can be solid NBA role players.

I never said I didn't want him back under any circumstances.  I said I didn't want him back if he was asking too much.

I didn't accuse you of saying that. But way too many people have.
People are also overlooking that our big 3 have one or two years maximum left in them as an entity. You can't replace someone like Baby (who took 2 years to develop himself) with a number 25 pick whilst our core has such little time left.
We are looking to get this banner this year and I cannot see a scenario where a draft pick can help this whilst losing baby.
The guy needs a chance to redeem himself.(as long as it's not too expensive).

[RyNye]

An undersized power forward who can't score efficiently (271 NBA player posted better TS% this year) or rank in the league's top 100 in rebound rate?

Not to nitpick, but 274 NBA players had better TS% than Glen Davis in the 2010-11 season.

And, to be fair to him, in terms of PER for power forwards, he was not the worst in the league (though 58 out of 79 ain't great).

[JBcat]

Well even with his subpar 2nd half of the season if you can do a sign & trade you might be selling him high.   His body type typically doesn't age well in the NBA.  His vertical jump/post game won't really get any better and I would expect many more of his shots being blocked in the future.   It's too bad cause I do like the energy he brings. 

[Celtics18]

He had a shocking 2nd half of the season.
Fact is:
1)he knows our sets
2)He probably can't play any worse than he did at the end of this season.
3)He is obviously injured. Doc says he isn't but KG and other players have stated he was injured. This is probably effecting his weight/fitness and mental state.
4)the first half of last season he was (as he has been before), one of the front runners for 6th man of the year.
5) he knows our sets- I can't stress how critical this is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It simply astonishes me how many people throw this kid under the bus after a bad 6 months. He has done so much for us and without him we wouldn't have banner 18.
Now I don't want to overpay for him but people saying they don't want him back under any circumstance is ridiculous.
  What made me laugh reading this topic was one reply stating something along the lines of ...
'we could pick someone up just as effective as Davis in the draft, so I'm not worried about him leaving'.

Seriously?
What a farce.

Please explain how that reaches the level of farcity.  It may not be a sure thing that we can get someone at least as good as Davis with the 25th pick in the draft, but it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. 

Although this is considered a "weak draft," there seem to be a lot of players out there who aren't necessarily superstars, but who look like they can be solid NBA role players.

I never said I didn't want him back under any circumstances.  I said I didn't want him back if he was asking too much.

I didn't accuse you of saying that. But way too many people have.
People are also overlooking that our big 3 have one or two years maximum left in them as an entity. You can't replace someone like Baby (who took 2 years to develop himself) with a number 25 pick whilst our core has such little time left.
We are looking to get this banner this year and I cannot see a scenario where a draft pick can help this whilst losing baby.
The guy needs a chance to redeem himself.(as long as it's not too expensive).

I'm no salary expert, but right now we have a total of 6 players on the books for next year at a total of about $64 million.  

So, it seems to me that even with the exceptions, Danny's going to have to make some tough choices to field a roster for next season.  Someone who is good at that stuff help me out.  Do we have Bird rights on Davis?  Can we sign him without it counting against the cap?  Apparently we have a trade exception on Green.  How does that work?  I forget if the LLE exception is good for an unlimited amount of players.  

Depending on all these issues, I just think that letting Baby go may free up more money to sign younger players with comparable value and allow us to still maintain more cap flexibility the following season when Garnett and Allen's contracts come off the books.

I'm not talking about giving up on next season, but I think that realistically, Davis' role is one that can be filled (quite possibly better) by someone else.  That someone else could end up being a rookie, as far as I'm concerned.  

[paulcowens]

The feeding frenzy on Baby is just nauseating.  It's pure scapegoating.  Like him or not, he's been a key guy for us.  Statistically, he's an unimpressive performer, and we probably can't match it if someone commits to a big salary for him, but he was the bridge between our starters and our bench, he was a versatile guy who filled in at both center and power forward, and can we at least recognize that he was confused by The Trade?  You know, a lot of people were confused by it, not least of all Kevin Garnett, who - as we could see in the Heat series - became unsure about whether he should playing more like a 5, back to the basket and controlling the paint, or more like his usual version of 4, with lots of pick-and-pop, etc..   

We should want Baby back next year, hopefully having thought about what happened over the summer and having lost weight, improved his game, etc..  This would be obvious to us if we'd stop scapegoating him.

[Steve Weinman]

An undersized power forward who can't score efficiently (271 NBA player posted better TS% this year) or rank in the league's top 100 in rebound rate?

Not to nitpick, but 274 NBA players had better TS% than Glen Davis in the 2010-11 season.

I used Hollinger's page, which had him tied for 272nd, though I suppose the three listed "ahead" of him at 272nd likely had better figures if you didn't round to two decimal places, which would explain the ordering there.

Apologies for the lack of clarity.

-sw

[Fafnir]

An undersized power forward who can't score efficiently (271 NBA player posted better TS% this year) or rank in the league's top 100 in rebound rate?

Not to nitpick, but 274 NBA players had better TS% than Glen Davis in the 2010-11 season.

And, to be fair to him, in terms of PER for power forwards, he was not the worst in the league (though 58 out of 79 ain't great).

He's probably played the most minutes out of people with PER's so low, if not the most close to the top.

Baby is a versatile player, that makes him valuable. But his production is not very good overall. He is replacable certainly because of this and should not be over paid by any means.

[snowball]

We have to let Baby go, for the good of
the organization and for the good of Baby.

[LooseCannon]

he is one of the few guys with huge trade value

No, he's not.  If we're talking sign-and-trade (if such things still exist under the new CBA), I would bet that Krstic has more trade value than Davis.

[cman88]

the pros of keeping baby is that you know what you are getting and that can be a good or bad thing....I wouldnt mind him back At the right price...we cant jeopardize our cap-space for someone like baby who Imo doesnt have a place in Celtics after the 2011-12 season..

the cons are...the league where baby was an asset to the Celtics is changing...Orlando magic is no longer a threat, and the teams who we need to get through to win the east next season and in the future are the Bulls, Knicks, Heat...and these are 3 teams that lack size, but are more athletic at all their positions..

while there arent many "star players" in this current draft, there are some athletic PF's in the taj gibson mold that we can draft and can probably have an impact right away on our team in scoring/rebounding...and that is what we need at the 4 to give Garnett a rest

also, glen davis was our 6th man the past few years and the offense of the 2nd unit seemed to run through him...with the signing of Jeff Green, it seems that Dannys eventual move would be to have him be the focal point of our offense on the 2nd unit with his higher skill set...can baby adapt to being the 2nd offensive option of the bench unit?

[XxSMSxX]

the pros of keeping baby is that you know what you are getting and that can be a good or bad thing....I wouldnt mind him back At the right price...we cant jeopardize our cap-space for someone like baby who Imo doesnt have a place in Celtics after the 2011-12 season..

the cons are...the league where baby was an asset to the Celtics is changing...Orlando magic is no longer a threat, and the teams who we need to get through to win the east next season and in the future are the Bulls, Knicks, Heat...and these are 3 teams that lack size, but are more athletic at all their positions..

while there arent many "star players" in this current draft, there are some athletic PF's in the taj gibson mold that we can draft and can probably have an impact right away on our team in scoring/rebounding...and that is what we need at the 4 to give Garnett a rest

also, glen davis was our 6th man the past few years and the offense of the 2nd unit seemed to run through him...with the signing of Jeff Green, it seems that Dannys eventual move would be to have him be the focal point of our offense on the 2nd unit with his higher skill set...can baby adapt to being the 2nd offensive option of the bench unit?

I agree, we need a legit center, (good height, finish around the rim, and REBOUND) and we need height, scoring and rebounding from our backup PF. Davis is an undersized 4 with little post game and he's not the best finisher around the rim for a big. I like because he does know our sets and is a great energy guy/ charge taker but he doesn't bring the things we need right now to help get past Heat/Bulls. He never was the best jumpshooter either

[LooseCannon]

If Glen Davis is a Celtic next season, Doc Rivers will play him more minutes than is warranted.  That's just the way Doc is.  The only way to avoid Big Baby being overplayed is to not have him on the roster.