Wait...so can we afford to lose Baby?

[bfrombleacher]

I was all for letting go of Baby. He needs a bigger role, he is one of the few guys with huge trade value and we need other pieces...everything seemed to be aligned for a Baby trade.

But after he goes, we'd have to get a backup PF and a center.

Big men are a rarity in this league. Looking back at the start of the season, Baby actually took on the role of a 6th man behind the center and the PF extremely well. It was only after his injury that he became inconsistent.

Can we afford to let Baby go? Maybe the weight clause of his contract needs to be more stringent.

[Marcus13]

We need to keep him unless we have some kind of inside info that a legit PF or C is wanting to sign here

[Celtics18]

I feel pretty confident that the draft can yield us a big who will be as valuable on the court as Baby for much cheaper. 

It all depends on what price he can fetch in the market.  I'm all for bringing him back if he doesn't demand more money than makes sense. 

[Silent Storm]

He's too limited and he doesn't fill a need we have. That is rebounding and size down low, and hopefully some athleticism too. Davis is very one dimensional and cannot play under the basket because he doesn't have the length or lift. He even managed to somehow gain weight during the season and he's also a headcase. When his jumpshot isn't falling he's pretty much useless, and that was the case the majority of the latter part of last season. The league is becoming more and more athletic and we need to adapt and recognize that. It seems like he's only able to do one positive thing at a time and for a limited period, like taking charges for example. He wasn't able to put forth any cohesive efforts when we needed him most and that's one reason we failed to progress further.

[LB3533]

He's too limited and he doesn't fill a need we have. That is rebounding and size down low, and hopefully some athleticism too. Davis is very one dimensional and cannot play under the basket because he doesn't have the length or lift. He even managed to somehow gain weight during the season and he's also a headcase. When his jumpshot isn't falling he's pretty much useless, and that was the case the majority of the latter part of last season. The league is becoming more and more athletic and we need to adapt and recognize that. It seems like he's only able to do one positive thing at a time and for a limited period, like taking charges for example. He wasn't able to put forth any cohesive efforts when we needed him most and that's one reason we failed to progress further.

Outside of Rondo and the rare offensive rebounds we do get...it is BBD getting them.

You can kiss those rebounds goodbye, kiss the charges drawn good bye, and those bail out late in the shot clock shots will be taken by Rondo.....

[bfrombleacher]

He's too limited and he doesn't fill a need we have. That is rebounding and size down low, and hopefully some athleticism too. Davis is very one dimensional and cannot play under the basket because he doesn't have the length or lift. He even managed to somehow gain weight during the season and he's also a headcase. When his jumpshot isn't falling he's pretty much useless, and that was the case the majority of the latter part of last season. The league is becoming more and more athletic and we need to adapt and recognize that. It seems like he's only able to do one positive thing at a time and for a limited period, like taking charges for example. He wasn't able to put forth any cohesive efforts when we needed him most and that's one reason we failed to progress further.

Outside of Rondo and the rare offensive rebounds we do get...it is BBD getting them.

You can kiss those rebounds goodbye, kiss the charges drawn good bye, and those bail out late in the shot clock shots will be taken by Rondo.....

True. When something's going really bad, you tend not to see the positives.

I remember when Tony Allen was here he'd be a bit of a bonehead too.

I was on the bandwagon of losing Baby but now, I'm more leaning towards getting Baby back. Obviously we cannot offer him too much but other teams will not be paying much after the horrid playoff performance by Baby. Ainge should give Baby a bigger role and more recognition, especially as KG is older. Ainge should also look at making Baby lose a lot of weight this summer, as the weight is not only affecting his game but also injuring him. If anything, he can be traded later.

Now that I think about it, even if Baby comes back, we'd still need another PF in the future. Baby cannot consistently play starter depending on the matchup. However, Baby will shoulder the load with the new PF (if we get one) meaning that the new PF will not need to be amazing, just solid. Baby also helps with the center problem. If he loses weight, he'd be a decent center at times and the depth at the center position will be great as we will have J.O. (and Krstic if he comes back).

I'd like Baby to come back so the focus can be on getting a center. Losing him will just be more problems.

[Silent Storm]

So you don't think the fact that the Celtics made a conscious choice not to go after offensive boards in order to solidify their transition defense had anything to do with it? Unfortunately a team has to make a choice between one or the other. I was referring more to the second chances we continuously gave up that majorly cost us and resulted in momentum swings.

[ForexPirate]

trade him or sign and trade and bring back LEON ....

[Gomesfan]

YES! He's toooo immature!!

[PortCelt]

We may find out as early as draft night if Davis has played and finally talked his way out of Boston. But let's all face reality. Energy and athleticism on this second unit must be addressed, and while Davis is no Adonis he has become a very good defender. We're all aware of his short comings, but he works hard, moves his feet well and is reliable in the post when he decides to play within himself.

He must lay off or improve those 16-23ft. shots (35%) and just be more disciplined on the offensive end. We know he's not shy about pulling the trigger because he averaged nearly 5 FGA/game from 16-23ft (KG was #1). The year before we were all screaming at him to get rid of ball at the rim, and he did a pretty good job of making that adjustment. So now he wants to start? He could start if he signs, or sanctions a S/T with a bottom feeder. Or he can accept reality and come off the bench with a contender like he's been doing.

I'm not sure if it's wise to let the market determine his value because of what happened with TA last year. Either resign him to fair, but tradable contract (Celts own his BR) or use him in a S/T ... and do it soon.

[mc34]

After I've had some time to cool off after losing to Miami, I'm with you - there's simply no one we could replace Baby with at a decent price unless we made a backup PF our offseason priority, which wouldn't be very smart. I'm thinking Baby will be back. Hopefully he'll deliver this time.

[Celtics18]

I'm curious what you guys think we'll be able to sign him for.  Is anyone going to offer him substantially more than what he's currently being paid?  If so, I feel like that's too expensive.

[chambers]

He had a shocking 2nd half of the season.
Fact is:
1)he knows our sets
2)He probably can't play any worse than he did at the end of this season.
3)He is obviously injured. Doc says he isn't but KG and other players have stated he was injured. This is probably effecting his weight/fitness and mental state.
4)the first half of last season he was (as he has been before), one of the front runners for 6th man of the year.
5) he knows our sets- I can't stress how critical this is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It simply astonishes me how many people throw this kid under the bus after a bad 6 months. He has done so much for us and without him we wouldn't have made the finals in 2010- absolutely no way.
Now I don't want to overpay for him but people saying they don't want him back under any circumstance is ridiculous.
  What made me laugh reading this topic was one reply stating something along the lines of ...
'we could pick someone up just as effective as Davis in the draft, so I'm not worried about him leaving'.

Seriously?
What a farce.

[Steve Weinman]

'we could pick someone up just as effective as Davis in the draft, so I'm not worried about him leaving'.

Seriously?
What a farce.

An undersized power forward who can't score efficiently (271 NBA player posted better TS% this year) or rank in the league's top 100 in rebound rate?

Not sure that will be so terribly hard to find.

The charge-taking will be a bit harder to replace.  Much as I like it, I'd happily make the exchange for more efficient scoring and better rebounding.

-sw

[Celtics18]

He had a shocking 2nd half of the season.
Fact is:
1)he knows our sets
2)He probably can't play any worse than he did at the end of this season.
3)He is obviously injured. Doc says he isn't but KG and other players have stated he was injured. This is probably effecting his weight/fitness and mental state.
4)the first half of last season he was (as he has been before), one of the front runners for 6th man of the year.
5) he knows our sets- I can't stress how critical this is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It simply astonishes me how many people throw this kid under the bus after a bad 6 months. He has done so much for us and without him we wouldn't have banner 18.
Now I don't want to overpay for him but people saying they don't want him back under any circumstance is ridiculous.
  What made me laugh reading this topic was one reply stating something along the lines of ...
'we could pick someone up just as effective as Davis in the draft, so I'm not worried about him leaving'.

Seriously?
What a farce.

Please explain how that reaches the level of farcity.  It may not be a sure thing that we can get someone at least as good as Davis with the 25th pick in the draft, but it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. 

Although this is considered a "weak draft," there seem to be a lot of players out there who aren't necessarily superstars, but who look like they can be solid NBA role players.

I never said I didn't want him back under any circumstances.  I said I didn't want him back if he was asking too much.