Rondo/JO to Cavs for Baron Davis/Varejao

[slamtheking]

I think an intriguing offer would be Rondo for Varejao and the #1 pick, if they really like Irving.  But there is no way they take on Baron's contract.

I don't think that's enough for Rondo.  I'd be hardpressed to consider SideShow Bob, Taj Gibson and the #1 (or #4) also.  Although Varejao and Gibson shore up our frontcourt issues pretty nicely and the pick gives us a player for the future (with Green and Gibson but now no Rondo), we now have no starting-quality PG.  Irving won't last to #4 and he'd still just be a rookie if he did.

[Bahku]

I honestly don't get why many here are so adamant about trading Rondo ... this kid has special qualities that go far beyond just his amazing basketball abilities, and he just keeps improving and maturing before our eyes.

I also can't stand Baron Davis ... he can ball, but I very much dislike his attitude and would never want him in green, (or his contract). To each his/her own ... guess that's what makes the world go 'round, (and the blogs buzz).

[StartOrien]

1) I wouldn't do this trade.
2) It is better than some of the trades I see proposed on this forum.

Edit: And of course, whatever trash might be necessary to balance the trade gets included.

No, it isn't. This is probably the worst trade I've seen suggested this off season.

[CelticG1]

I honestly don't get why many here are so adamant about trading Rondo ... this kid has special qualities that go far beyond just his amazing basketball abilities, and he just keeps improving and maturing before our eyes.

I also can't stand Baron Davis ... he can ball, but I very much dislike his attitude and would never want him in green, (or his contract). To each his/her own ... guess that's what makes the world go 'round, (and the blogs buzz).

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

As for him continuing to improve and mature before our eyes I think he took a step back this year in regards to both. His first half of the season was great but he dropped off an incredible amount in the second half. I know we've been talking about it for 5 years now but I really have not seen a noticeable improvement in his jumpshot at all. Also this past year he was getting to the line less and shooting free throws at an even worse clip than the past couple years. Come to think of it he definitely took a step back this year

[BballTim]

I honestly don't get why many here are so adamant about trading Rondo ... this kid has special qualities that go far beyond just his amazing basketball abilities, and he just keeps improving and maturing before our eyes.

I also can't stand Baron Davis ... he can ball, but I very much dislike his attitude and would never want him in green, (or his contract). To each his/her own ... guess that's what makes the world go 'round, (and the blogs buzz).

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

As for him continuing to improve and mature before our eyes I think he took a step back this year in regards to both. His first half of the season was great but he dropped off an incredible amount in the second half. I know we've been talking about it for 5 years now but I really have not seen a noticeable improvement in his jumpshot at all. Also this past year he was getting to the line less and shooting free throws at an even worse clip than the past couple years. Come to think of it he definitely took a step back this year

  Not everyone considers playing through injuries to be taking a step back.

[StartOrien]

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

This is an interesting point. It does seem as if Rondo fans can be a little sensitive about trades revolving around him. I understand the hesitance to talk about trading a young, perpetual all-star PG whose signed to a VERY reasonable offer, but the resistance to discuss the idea seems to be frequently over the top.

[LooseCannon]

1) I wouldn't do this trade.
2) It is better than some of the trades I see proposed on this forum.

Edit: And of course, whatever trash might be necessary to balance the trade gets included.

No, it isn't. This is probably the worst trade I've seen suggested this off season.

It's better than Rondo for Ben Gordon and anything for Rudy Gay.

[CelticG1]

I honestly don't get why many here are so adamant about trading Rondo ... this kid has special qualities that go far beyond just his amazing basketball abilities, and he just keeps improving and maturing before our eyes.

I also can't stand Baron Davis ... he can ball, but I very much dislike his attitude and would never want him in green, (or his contract). To each his/her own ... guess that's what makes the world go 'round, (and the blogs buzz).

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

As for him continuing to improve and mature before our eyes I think he took a step back this year in regards to both. His first half of the season was great but he dropped off an incredible amount in the second half. I know we've been talking about it for 5 years now but I really have not seen a noticeable improvement in his jumpshot at all. Also this past year he was getting to the line less and shooting free throws at an even worse clip than the past couple years. Come to think of it he definitely took a step back this year

  Not everyone considers playing through injuries to be taking a step back.

Ok well at least you are admitting that he took a step back this year albeit through "injuries"

This is another thing I don't get. People talk about Rondo playing through injuries as such a great thing and although it shows that he is tough, him getting injuries constantly is not a good thing in my mind either. He's 25 and sat out 14 games this year and on top of that people say he was playing with injuries all year, and that he has Plantar Facialtis (no idea how to spell that). Isn't this a chronic injury that we should have some concern over?

So Rondo was either injured all year (which makes me nervous about his future and current health), or he regressed this year (which makes me nervous about his future "potential")

[LooseCannon]

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

Trading Rondo doesn't do anything to fill the team's need to get younger and more athletic.  Make a list of the top 10-15 players in the NBA.  Remove anyone over 30.  Remove anyone with injury concerns like Chris Paul and his Brandon Roy-esque knees.  That's the list of guys I would consider targeting in a trade for Rondo plus other pieces.

[StartOrien]

1) I wouldn't do this trade.
2) It is better than some of the trades I see proposed on this forum.

Edit: And of course, whatever trash might be necessary to balance the trade gets included.

No, it isn't. This is probably the worst trade I've seen suggested this off season.

It's better than Rondo for Ben Gordon and anything for Rudy Gay.

I disagree about Rudy Gay, though will admit that I didn't see the Ben Gordon trade offer when I made that statement. Not to be rude, its still an abysmal trade offer though. Ties up way too much money for us not to improve... at all?

EDIT: To be clear, I wouldn't trade Rondo for Rudy Gay. Just stating I think it's a better offer than the Baron Davis/Varejao offer

[CelticG1]

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

Trading Rondo doesn't do anything to fill the team's need to get younger and more athletic.  Make a list of the top 10-15 players in the NBA.  Remove anyone over 30.  Remove anyone with injury concerns like Chris Paul and his Brandon Roy-esque knees.  That's the list of guys I would consider targeting in a trade for Rondo plus other pieces.

Doesn't Rondo have injury concerns? All I've been hearing about is how Rondo has injured this whole season.

Just because this is what you would target doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. Yeah sure it's easy to say Rondo for Dwight! or Rondo for Deron Williams! But I think people are putting some more thought into it

[Bahku]

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

This is an interesting point. It does seem as if Rondo fans can be a little sensitive about trades revolving around him. I understand the hesitance to talk about trading a young, perpetual all-star PG whose signed to a VERY reasonable offer, but the resistance to discuss the idea seems to be frequently over the top.

It's pretty straight-forward ... when you like a player and feel he's your best chance for the future as far as someone to build a team around, why wouldn't you be resistant to trading him?

This is all about personal opinion, folks, and when you don't feel trading a certain player is in your team's best interest, then you say so.

There's no way I, (or anyone else), will ever stop the Rondo trade talk, nor should we be able to, but that doesn't mean we all have to like it or agree with it.

Just as those who post those ideas have the right to do so, I (and others) have the right to disagree with them, and make statements about it.

I could just as easily say that thread after thread concerning trading our floor leader, (and one of the NBA's best PGs), is over the top, but it's just how those people feel, and they're entitled to those feelings ... as I am mine.

[BballTim]

I honestly don't get why many here are so adamant about trading Rondo ... this kid has special qualities that go far beyond just his amazing basketball abilities, and he just keeps improving and maturing before our eyes.

I also can't stand Baron Davis ... he can ball, but I very much dislike his attitude and would never want him in green, (or his contract). To each his/her own ... guess that's what makes the world go 'round, (and the blogs buzz).

I don't know why people are so sensitive about Rondo trade ideas. He is our only valuable trading chip so I think it's at least a good exercise to see what we can get for him and play around with it.

As for him continuing to improve and mature before our eyes I think he took a step back this year in regards to both. His first half of the season was great but he dropped off an incredible amount in the second half. I know we've been talking about it for 5 years now but I really have not seen a noticeable improvement in his jumpshot at all. Also this past year he was getting to the line less and shooting free throws at an even worse clip than the past couple years. Come to think of it he definitely took a step back this year

  Not everyone considers playing through injuries to be taking a step back.

Ok well at least you are admitting that he took a step back this year albeit through "injuries"

  No, what I'm saying is that he showed a great deal of improvement before his play was hampered by injuries.

This is another thing I don't get. People talk about Rondo playing through injuries as such a great thing and although it shows that he is tough, him getting injuries constantly is not a good thing in my mind either. He's 25 and sat out 14 games this year and on top of that people say he was playing with injuries all year, and that he has Plantar Facialtis (no idea how to spell that). Isn't this a chronic injury that we should have some concern over?

  I don't think he's the only player in the league to have one injury-plagued season by the time he was 25. Chris Paul and Deron Williams, for instance, both have had *multiple* years when they've missed as many or more games that Rondo did this year.

  Personally I think that a lot of his issues this year stemmed from a lack of rest last year. He played all the way through the finals and then spent quite a bit of time with USA basketball, and almost right into training camp. He needs more of a break this year.

[StartOrien]

It's pretty straight-forward ... when you like a player and feel he's your best chance for the future as far as someone to build a team around, why wouldn't you be resistant to trading him?

Ya, I'm not making the comment stating I disagree with their right to have this opinion. As I pointed out above, there's definitely a strong argument to build around/with him.

It just seems as if during my time on Celticsblog (dating back to the Antoine trade), there's never been a reaction to the proposal of a trade like there is when Rondo's name comes up. Granted, circumstances with him are certainly very different than any other Celtic in recent history.

[moiso]

I can't stand Davis, but if it was just for one year it might improve our chances.  But Davis is productive about about as often as someone named Oneal and has a horrible contract.

Love Varejao though. He would be perfect.  I think he is a championship level piece.