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Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2011, 09:31:12 PM »

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What does it tell you he cant hit free throws at a good clip after five years?

That he's not a good free throw shooter.  He's not as bad as he showed this year, but I doubt he'll ever become very good.

However, he's tremendous at a lot of other aspects of the game.  We can't hyper-fixate on his shooting, while ignoring his toughness, his court vision, his passing skills, his dribbling, his defense, his speed, his penetrating ability, his athleticism, etc.
Well we will have to agree to disagree.
Ill end with this http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Rajon-Rondo-is-better-than-Derrick-Rose-and-Davi?urn=nba-26022

Rondo believes the hype. Danny wants us and the league to believe the hype so he can flip a package centered around Rondo into the next Celtics superstar. More likely though we end up with someone like Ben Gordon.

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lol, did you even read that article? It was for a commercial, it's not like he made the shirt himself.

And would you rather Rondo not be confident in himself and believe he is one of the worst players in the league?

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2011, 09:31:40 PM »

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Well we will have to agree to disagree.
Ill end with this http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Rajon-Rondo-is-better-than-Derrick-Rose-and-Davi?urn=nba-26022

Rondo believes the hype.

Are you talking about this t-shirt that Rondo had to wear for NBA 2K11 commercial?



Here is the commercial...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ol2HYCnVbs&feature=player_embedded

...and here is Derrick Rose with his own t-shirt.



I don't think you can say that Rondo believes in his own hype by posting a commercial. If that's the case then Rose too believes in his hype.

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Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2011, 10:19:38 PM »

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Well we will have to agree to disagree.
Ill end with this http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Rajon-Rondo-is-better-than-Derrick-Rose-and-Davi?urn=nba-26022

Rondo believes the hype.

Are you talking about this t-shirt that Rondo had to wear for NBA 2K11 commercial?



Here is the commercial...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ol2HYCnVbs&feature=player_embedded

...and here is Derrick Rose with his own t-shirt.



I don't think you can say that Rondo believes in his own hype by posting a commercial. If that's the case then Rose too believes in his hype.



Are you talking about this t-shirt that Rondo had to wear for NBA 2K11 commercial?

Sure he had to wear it. ::) Get real its just him.
The cocky arrorgance amd know it all attitude that he has had for several years.

He believes just what was said earlier in this thread " Rondo led us to a championship in 08"

The walking away from Pierce several times while the captain was trying to talk to Rondo during the Miami series.

The insistance of playing with one arm even had Reggie Miller saying "Rondo was hurting the team"

Rondo doesnt believe he has to improve his shooting becuase he is already good enough. Its just Rondo.

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2011, 10:31:20 PM »

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Well we will have to agree to disagree.
Ill end with this http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Rajon-Rondo-is-better-than-Derrick-Rose-and-Davi?urn=nba-26022

Rondo believes the hype.

Are you talking about this t-shirt that Rondo had to wear for NBA 2K11 commercial?



Here is the commercial...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ol2HYCnVbs&feature=player_embedded

...and here is Derrick Rose with his own t-shirt.



I don't think you can say that Rondo believes in his own hype by posting a commercial. If that's the case then Rose too believes in his hype.


Sure he had to wear it. ::) Get real its just him.
The cocky arrorgance amd know it all attitude that he has had for several years.

Ok, so I'm guessing you just ignored everything in this post and article?

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Rondo doesnt believe he has to improve his shooting becuase he is already good enough. Its just Rondo

Right, I'm assuming he worked with Mark Price over the summer just for fun...

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2011, 10:37:03 PM »

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The insistance of playing with one arm even had Reggie Miller saying "Rondo was hurting the team"

I think your gripe here is with Doc, not Rondo. 

I want players who are willing to play hurt.  It's a heck of a lot better than guys who want to sit out due to a hang nail.  Rondo proved he was a warrior; I'm genuinely shocked to see his detractors try to use that against him.


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Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #95 on: May 21, 2011, 11:07:15 PM »

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Sure he had to wear it. ::) Get real its just him.

You want me to believe that what a player does in a commercial speaks of his personality. Talk about get real.

By that logic, Kobe is soldier who takes part in covert military operations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmq-L0zI5Y

You don't believe that too, do you?
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Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #96 on: May 21, 2011, 11:10:13 PM »

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Sure he had to wear it. ::) Get real its just him.

You want me to believe that what a player does in a commercial speaks of his personality. Talk about get real.

By that logic, Kobe is soldier who takes part in covert military operations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmq-L0zI5Y

You don't believe that too, do you?

Is that why he played so poorly against Dallas? He was preparing for a mission in Pakistan?

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #97 on: May 21, 2011, 11:13:23 PM »

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Sure he had to wear it. ::) Get real its just him.

You want me to believe that what a player does in a commercial speaks of his personality. Talk about get real.

By that logic, Kobe is soldier who takes part in covert military operations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmq-L0zI5Y

You don't believe that too, do you?

Is that why he played so poorly against Dallas? He was preparing for a mission in Pakistan?

Yeah, he did all his "shooting" in the raid that nailed Bin Laden.
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Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #98 on: May 21, 2011, 11:16:01 PM »

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To summarize my view on this argument, I will agree that Rondo has work to do.  He needs to continue to work on his jumpers, and he needs to attack the rim to draw fouls - I believe that he would eventually develop a rhythm at the line if he got there several times a game, but it's much harder to find that rhythm when you average less than 2 per night.  I don't expect him to become an 85% shooter overnight, but I think 70% and about 6 attempts per night is a reasonable expectation.  He needs to be a threat to drive and finish at the rim so defenses don't just disregard him like the Heat did at times.  Teams will always allow him the open jumper, but there's a difference between 'sagging off' and 'entirely ignoring'.  When teams are entirely ignoring a player and getting away with it, that player is hurting the offense.

Having said all of that, this thread really isn't reasonable.  Rondo was an All-Star for a reason.  He's one of the best passing point guards in the game, he's an elite rebounder at his position, he's an elite defender at his position, he's a warrior who will play hurt, and he's a strong finisher for his size when he decides to attack.  Ben Gordon is not even close to fair value for Rondo, and if Ainge is 'selling high' then Gordon will not be the return.  Boston views Rondo as a building block, and I highly doubt they'll trade him for anything but another building block - and probably more.  Because of that high price, I'd be very surprised if he was traded in the next couple of years.

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2011, 11:20:27 PM »

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Well we will have to agree to disagree.
Ill end with this http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Rajon-Rondo-is-better-than-Derrick-Rose-and-Davi?urn=nba-26022

Rondo believes the hype.

Are you talking about this t-shirt that Rondo had to wear for NBA 2K11 commercial?



Here is the commercial...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ol2HYCnVbs&feature=player_embedded

...and here is Derrick Rose with his own t-shirt.



I don't think you can say that Rondo believes in his own hype by posting a commercial. If that's the case then Rose too believes in his hype.



Are you talking about this t-shirt that Rondo had to wear for NBA 2K11 commercial?

Sure he had to wear it. ::) Get real its just him.
The cocky arrorgance amd know it all attitude that he has had for several years.

He believes just what was said earlier in this thread " Rondo led us to a championship in 08"

The walking away from Pierce several times while the captain was trying to talk to Rondo during the Miami series.

The insistance of playing with one arm even had Reggie Miller saying "Rondo was hurting the team"

Rondo doesnt believe he has to improve his shooting becuase he is already good enough. Its just Rondo.


I agree with literally nothing you've said.

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #100 on: May 21, 2011, 11:55:55 PM »

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Sorry Gordon is about the best you could get for Rondo.

Rondo was an all-star this year, and he's signed to a reasonable long-term contract.  He was second in the NBA in assists per game, and in the playoffs, he put up games of:

30 points, 7 assists
15 points, 11 rebounds, 21 assists
21 points, 12 assists
20 points, 6 rebounds, 12 assists

I think people are having a hard time accepting that an overpaid, undersized shooting guard with a bad contract and declining production is the best we could do.

Of course he is second in assists per game. Like I said he is passing to 3 future hof players and he dominates the basketball like no other.

He always has the ball in the open court. He has the ball more than any other Celtic player in the half court. If any other Celtic gets the ball its a catch and shoot or a one/two dribble move and shoot. Many professional basketball players could average 10 assists per game if they always have the ball.


  Do you really not know that most point guards have the ball most of the time, and most of them don't average 10 assists? If you think Rondo "dominates the ball like no other" one would wonder if you've ever seen Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams or Nash play. And if any other player gets the ball sometimes it's a pass and shoot and frequently it's another pass. The big three pass the ball more than most players at their spots, which actually makes it *harder* for Rondo to get assists.

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #101 on: May 22, 2011, 12:02:39 AM »

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He doesnt believe he has to improve and thats why he is the worst shooting starting point guard for FT and 3PTRS in the entire league.

Andre Miller and Ramon Sessions (started 38 games) are worse three point shooters, so Rondo has that going for him. ;)

Also, Rondo sucks from the outside, but he *was* 6th in the NBA in FG% among PGs.  That counts for something.

I would guess that a good amount of those fga are layups. No doubt the kid is fast. As weve seen in NBA history every player loses his footspeed at some time in their career.

When Rondo loses his he will be done. He has to learn to shoot the ball. He hasnt improved his shooting and I dont think he cares to. As someone said in another thread about Rondo and I am paraphrasing " Anyone can improve their free throw shooting with a little hard work and dedication"

  So if he doesn't improve his outside shooting he'll be less effective in 8 year or so when he starts to lose his speed?

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #102 on: May 22, 2011, 12:03:32 AM »

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Sorry Gordon is about the best you could get for Rondo.

Rondo was an all-star this year, and he's signed to a reasonable long-term contract.  He was second in the NBA in assists per game, and in the playoffs, he put up games of:

30 points, 7 assists
15 points, 11 rebounds, 21 assists
21 points, 12 assists
20 points, 6 rebounds, 12 assists

I think people are having a hard time accepting that an overpaid, undersized shooting guard with a bad contract and declining production is the best we could do.

Of course he is second in assists per game. Like I said he is passing to 3 future hof players and he dominates the basketball like no other.

He always has the ball in the open court. He has the ball more than any other Celtic player in the half court. If any other Celtic gets the ball its a catch and shoot or a one/two dribble move and shoot. Many professional basketball players could average 10 assists per game if they always have the ball.


  Do you really not know that most point guards have the ball most of the time, and most of them don't average 10 assists? If you think Rondo "dominates the ball like no other" one would wonder if you've ever seen Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams or Nash play. And if any other player gets the ball sometimes it's a pass and shoot and frequently it's another pass. The big three pass the ball more than most players at their spots, which actually makes it *harder* for Rondo to get assists.




Not really. Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett shoot off the catch more than probably 90% of starting players in the league.

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« Reply #103 on: May 22, 2011, 12:09:29 AM »

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Sorry Gordon is about the best you could get for Rondo.

Rondo was an all-star this year, and he's signed to a reasonable long-term contract.  He was second in the NBA in assists per game, and in the playoffs, he put up games of:

30 points, 7 assists
15 points, 11 rebounds, 21 assists
21 points, 12 assists
20 points, 6 rebounds, 12 assists

I think people are having a hard time accepting that an overpaid, undersized shooting guard with a bad contract and declining production is the best we could do.

Of course he is second in assists per game. Like I said he is passing to 3 future hof players and he dominates the basketball like no other.

He always has the ball in the open court. He has the ball more than any other Celtic player in the half court. If any other Celtic gets the ball its a catch and shoot or a one/two dribble move and shoot. Many professional basketball players could average 10 assists per game if they always have the ball.


  Do you really not know that most point guards have the ball most of the time, and most of them don't average 10 assists? If you think Rondo "dominates the ball like no other" one would wonder if you've ever seen Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams or Nash play. And if any other player gets the ball sometimes it's a pass and shoot and frequently it's another pass. The big three pass the ball more than most players at their spots, which actually makes it *harder* for Rondo to get assists.




Not really. Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett shoot off the catch more than probably 90% of starting players in the league.

  Do you have any stats to show this, or is it completely made up?

Re: Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon
« Reply #104 on: May 22, 2011, 12:12:10 AM »

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Sorry Gordon is about the best you could get for Rondo.

Rondo was an all-star this year, and he's signed to a reasonable long-term contract.  He was second in the NBA in assists per game, and in the playoffs, he put up games of:

30 points, 7 assists
15 points, 11 rebounds, 21 assists
21 points, 12 assists
20 points, 6 rebounds, 12 assists

I think people are having a hard time accepting that an overpaid, undersized shooting guard with a bad contract and declining production is the best we could do.

Of course he is second in assists per game. Like I said he is passing to 3 future hof players and he dominates the basketball like no other.

He always has the ball in the open court. He has the ball more than any other Celtic player in the half court. If any other Celtic gets the ball its a catch and shoot or a one/two dribble move and shoot. Many professional basketball players could average 10 assists per game if they always have the ball.


  Do you really not know that most point guards have the ball most of the time, and most of them don't average 10 assists? If you think Rondo "dominates the ball like no other" one would wonder if you've ever seen Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams or Nash play. And if any other player gets the ball sometimes it's a pass and shoot and frequently it's another pass. The big three pass the ball more than most players at their spots, which actually makes it *harder* for Rondo to get assists.




Not really. Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett shoot off the catch more than probably 90% of starting players in the league.

  Do you have any stats to show this, or is it completely made up?





I guessed it, honestly. But I'm actually very interested in how many of Garnett's shots are off of the catch (don't know if such a stat exists). I would think it is probably the highest of any starting power forward in the league. Ray Allen shoots a lot off the catch too, but not as much as Garnett.