Minnesota looking to wheel and deal

[JSD]

Minnesota GM David Kahn can breathe a sigh of relief -- we think. With Irving likely off the board, Kahn won't have to put up with all those point guard jokes. Unless, that is, he reaches for Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker here. I think this pick will be a three-way race among Williams, Enes Kanter and Bismack Biyombo. Of the three, Williams has the strongest pedigree and ultimately should be an upgrade over Michael Beasley. But don't be surprised if Kahn trades the pick. I'm already hearing from sources that Minnesota has told people it's very open to moving the second pick. Kahn really wants to add some veteran help to the team. ESPN.com

There isn't a more perfect trading partner out there for the Celtics than this Wolves team. While we are in need of some youth infusion, they are starving for some veteran leadership. It's just perfect.

[Lucky17]

Minnesota GM David Kahn can breathe a sigh of relief -- we think. With Irving likely off the board, Kahn won't have to put up with all those point guard jokes. Unless, that is, he reaches for Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker here. I think this pick will be a three-way race among Williams, Enes Kanter and Bismack Biyombo. Of the three, Williams has the strongest pedigree and ultimately should be an upgrade over Michael Beasley. But don't be surprised if Kahn trades the pick. I'm already hearing from sources that Minnesota has told people it's very open to moving the second pick. Kahn really wants to add some veteran help to the team. ESPN.com

There isn't a more perfect trading partner out there for the Celtics than this Wolves team. While we are in need of some youth infusion, they are starving for some veteran leadership. It's just perfect.

But the only vets we can offer on draft night are Pierce, KG, JO, and Rondo.

I wouldn't trade any of the Big Four for the #2 pick, and I don't see Kahn taking JO.

[rondohondo]

what do we have that they want besides Rondo?

Green isn't as good as beasley

Bradley has potential, but is unproven

BBD is getting fatter by the minute


I wouldn't trade Rondo for the # 2 pick unless we are getting back rubio and another player like beasley

only trade I think of that would make senses is

Rondo and Green for #2 pick, Beasley and Rubio


I don't think I would do that trade though because it takes us out of the running for Dwight Howard because we will have no proven championship players to attract him without Rondo.

[Who]

Jeez, that would be an absolute dreadful move (trading away #2 pick for veteran help).

For a 17 win team, that is a million miles away from fielding a winner, to trade away the chance to draft a quality young prospect in favour of bringing in a veteran player ... just awful.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Don't do it half-assed.

What is he trying to do? Win 35 games? Finish in 10th place in the West? And have wasted away all his opportunities at building anything meaningful? How are they ever going to build a contender if they keep making dim witted moves like this.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Things take time. Continue to collect top 5 picks. Try to draft better players than you have done so far. Develop them. Let them grow as unit. The team gradually improves. Now a playoff team or close to it. Add to the team with a trade and/or free agency. Continue to develop your young veteran stars. Turn it into winner.

Good things take time. Stop rushing. Be patient. Please.

[Who]

Glen Taylor needs to fire David Kahn.

Then he should sell the team because he is a dreadful owner.

[wiley]

Jeez, that would be an absolute dreadful move (trading away #2 pick for veteran help).

For a 17 win team, that is a million miles away from fielding a winner, to trade away the chance to draft a quality young prospect in favour of bringing in a veteran player ... just awful.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Don't do it half-assed.

What is he trying to do? Win 35 games? Finish in 10th place in the West? And have wasted away all his opportunities at building anything meaningful? How are they ever going to build a contender if they keep making dim witted moves like this.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Things take time. Continue to collect top 5 picks. Try to draft better players than you have done so far. Develop them. Let them grow as unit. The team gradually improves. Now a playoff team or close to it. Add to the team with a trade and/or free agency. Continue to develop your young veteran stars. Turn it into winner.

Good things take time. Stop rushing. Be patient. Please.

Didn't you suggest trading Love and Beasely in another thread?  
I'm just kidding you I don't think such a trade necessarily negates your call for patience, considering that Williams will evolve into a "ready" player very quickly if not immediately, and Love/Beasely could bring back vets as well as potential....

I'd say keep Love and trade Beasely, Rubio and D. Williams for Kanter plus a load of other stuff, including a 2012 first rounder from a lottery-type team....

[Chris]

I don't see a match.  Our veterans are too old for what they are looking for, and their young guys are too mediocre for what we're looking for.

[Q_FBE]

How about we send the entire T-Wolves team to the NBDL where they can be rivals to the Idaho Stampede?

I'll take Kevin Love for the O'Neal Brothers and Sister Arroyo, though.

[StartOrien]

Rubio & Kevin Love for Rondo? Just for kicks

[Who]

Jeez, that would be an absolute dreadful move (trading away #2 pick for veteran help).

For a 17 win team, that is a million miles away from fielding a winner, to trade away the chance to draft a quality young prospect in favour of bringing in a veteran player ... just awful.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Don't do it half-assed.

What is he trying to do? Win 35 games? Finish in 10th place in the West? And have wasted away all his opportunities at building anything meaningful? How are they ever going to build a contender if they keep making dim witted moves like this.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Things take time. Continue to collect top 5 picks. Try to draft better players than you have done so far. Develop them. Let them grow as unit. The team gradually improves. Now a playoff team or close to it. Add to the team with a trade and/or free agency. Continue to develop your young veteran stars. Turn it into winner.

Good things take time. Stop rushing. Be patient. Please.

Didn't you suggest trading Love and Beasely in another thread?  
I'm just kidding you I don't think such a trade necessarily negates your call for patience, considering that Williams will evolve into a "ready" player very quickly if not immediately, and Love/Beasely could bring back vets as well as potential....

I'd say keep Love and trade Beasely, Rubio and D. Williams for Kanter plus a load of other stuff, including a 2012 first rounder from a lottery-type team....

I have nothing against trading the pick for a high quality prospect.

It's the idea of trading it for veteran help that I hate.

[xmuscularghandix]

Jeez, that would be an absolute dreadful move (trading away #2 pick for veteran help).

For a 17 win team, that is a million miles away from fielding a winner, to trade away the chance to draft a quality young prospect in favour of bringing in a veteran player ... just awful.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Don't do it half-assed.

What is he trying to do? Win 35 games? Finish in 10th place in the West? And have wasted away all his opportunities at building anything meaningful? How are they ever going to build a contender if they keep making dim witted moves like this.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Things take time. Continue to collect top 5 picks. Try to draft better players than you have done so far. Develop them. Let them grow as unit. The team gradually improves. Now a playoff team or close to it. Add to the team with a trade and/or free agency. Continue to develop your young veteran stars. Turn it into winner.

Good things take time. Stop rushing. Be patient. Please.

Didn't you suggest trading Love and Beasely in another thread?  
I'm just kidding you I don't think such a trade necessarily negates your call for patience, considering that Williams will evolve into a "ready" player very quickly if not immediately, and Love/Beasely could bring back vets as well as potential....

I'd say keep Love and trade Beasely, Rubio and D. Williams for Kanter plus a load of other stuff, including a 2012 first rounder from a lottery-type team....

I have nothing against trading the pick for a high quality prospect.

It's the idea of trading it for veteran help that I hate.

Couldn't agree more, and it seems like the organization now agree as well. Ainge, Rivers, and Rondo all spoke about how they need to get more athletic. Now is the time to get those guys and actually use them.

[Chris]

It's the idea of trading it for veteran help that I hate.

Veteran help, no, but a veteran member of the Core, then I think it makes sense.

I think they will go hard after Igoudala, Gay, Martin, Ellis, Gortat, and other youngish pseudo-stars that could come right in and be real impact players for them.

[Lucky17]

It's the idea of trading it for veteran help that I hate.

Veteran help, no, but a veteran member of the Core, then I think it makes sense.

I think they will go hard after Igoudala, Gay, Martin, Ellis, Gortat, and other youngish pseudo-stars that could come right in and be real impact players for them.

Iggy would be an interesting addition to that roster, but Minnesota would have to send some players back to make the numbers work. What would a reasonable trade between MIN and PHI look like?

Heisley has against stressed that Memphis will not trade Gay. Maybe he's posturing for a real offer, but I doubt it.

Isn't Ellis considered by new GSW ownership as a franchise cornerstone?

Not sure what Martin's standing is like in HOU, or if Phoenix would consider trading Gortat in a rebuild (seems possible).

[wiley]

Jeez, that would be an absolute dreadful move (trading away #2 pick for veteran help).

For a 17 win team, that is a million miles away from fielding a winner, to trade away the chance to draft a quality young prospect in favour of bringing in a veteran player ... just awful.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Don't do it half-assed.

What is he trying to do? Win 35 games? Finish in 10th place in the West? And have wasted away all his opportunities at building anything meaningful? How are they ever going to build a contender if they keep making dim witted moves like this.

Rebuild. Do it properly. Things take time. Continue to collect top 5 picks. Try to draft better players than you have done so far. Develop them. Let them grow as unit. The team gradually improves. Now a playoff team or close to it. Add to the team with a trade and/or free agency. Continue to develop your young veteran stars. Turn it into winner.

Good things take time. Stop rushing. Be patient. Please.

Didn't you suggest trading Love and Beasely in another thread?  
I'm just kidding you I don't think such a trade necessarily negates your call for patience, considering that Williams will evolve into a "ready" player very quickly if not immediately, and Love/Beasely could bring back vets as well as potential....

I'd say keep Love and trade Beasely, Rubio and D. Williams for Kanter plus a load of other stuff, including a 2012 first rounder from a lottery-type team....

I have nothing against trading the pick for a high quality prospect.

It's the idea of trading it for veteran help that I hate.

Derrick Williams could be worth a prospect and some veteran help imo.

anyway, I was referring to your idea of trading Love and Beasely as going against the grain of your also preaching patience.  They've been waiting a long time for all their young picks to add up to something, and trading Love would seem like impatience if they did it for young prospects instead of young "vets" (I'd describe Love as a young vet).  Derrick Williams should also very quickly reach young vet status I would think....

[PortCelt]

I don't see a match.  Our veterans are too old for what they are looking for, and their young guys are too mediocre for what we're looking for.

Agreed.

K. Love's contract is a bargain basement tag and Khan will milk it until it's time to make him a qualifying offer. If they wanted Beasley they would have made a run at him last year. Outside of those two there are no contracts on that team anyone would want. Rubio is a crap shoot, and no way do you dangle Rondo for Love or Beas with Rubio. You must get back a PG in RR's class. If Danny is going to be bold with Rondo he has to reach for CP3. That might open up the door for Superman (if they have the cap space under the new CBA) or even coax his buddy Chandler to take less money to play in Boston. It may be far fetched, but you deal RR for anything less otherwise you're rolling snake eyes.