Was the Perkins trade Auerbach'ish?

[Michael Anthony]

And...I know we may not get Howard. West didn't "know" he would get Shaq either. But, West put himself in position for Shaq and it worked out.

Something like 26 of the last 30 championship teams have had a superstar on them...who is ours for the next 10 years? I don't know but we need to get one to go with Rondo.

I think Ainge has to put himself in the running for Howard as plan A and then also have a plan B.

I can tell you this, if he can build enough around Rondo to make Boston attractive to Howard.

If you have Howard and Rondo in place, with Doc coaching - guys will be lining up to play in Boston.

Everyone said this after we landed 3 hall of famers in KG, Allen, and Pierce... I havent exactly seen many free agents line up to play here, they've gone where the money is, we certainly dont have enough of it.

Posey, House, PJ Brown, Cassell
Moore, Marbury
Wallace, Daniels, Finley, Williams
Shaq, O'Neal, Arroyo, Wafer, West, Pavlovic, Murphy

Yeah, Boston is a real free agent wasteland...

[Vermont Green]

I havent exactly seen many free agents line up to play here, they've gone where the money is, we certainly dont have enough of it.

I admit to being non-apologetically pro-trade but keep in mind that another aspect of the trade is that we were able to dump Nate and his bad contract.  So not only did we get good value back (at least in my opinion) but we also freed up some money that can be better spent than on Nate.

And really, are there people out there that think if we hadn't traded Perk (and perhaps picked up Corey Brewer) that we would have for sure won the title (as some of the posters here have suggested)?  I recognize that it is a totally hypothetical question so anyone can believe anything they want but come on.

[bbd24]

I think we'll get the pick next season.  Still, it's projected to be a very good draft.

I think we'll get it as well next season.  11-15 range.   I think we'll get a pretty darn good player to add as well.

It wouldn't suprise me if Ainge eyes somebody early, and maybe even tries to move up a bit by packaging two picks for 1.

[bbd24]

And...I know we may not get Howard. West didn't "know" he would get Shaq either. But, West put himself in position for Shaq and it worked out.

Something like 26 of the last 30 championship teams have had a superstar on them...who is ours for the next 10 years? I don't know but we need to get one to go with Rondo.

I think Ainge has to put himself in the running for Howard as plan A and then also have a plan B.

I can tell you this, if he can build enough around Rondo to make Boston attractive to Howard.

If you have Howard and Rondo in place, with Doc coaching - guys will be lining up to play in Boston.

Everyone said this after we landed 3 hall of famers in KG, Allen, and Pierce... I havent exactly seen many free agents line up to play here, they've gone where the money is, we certainly dont have enough of it.

Thats wrong.  With only Pierce, Bradley, and Rondo on the books after next season, you have more than enough money for a Grade A type free agent come 2012.  Thats why its being speculated that a Howard type could come. Money wise, your setup extremely nicely come 2012.

Just have to wait and see how it all unfolds (Green, Lockout, etc.)

[ScoobyDoo]

True, having Pierce Ray and KG on big contracts has limited the amount of money we've been able to spend but I think we've gotten good value with the money we have had and that is because we have had the big guns here to draw people.

Some of them haven't worked out due to unfortunate injuries, but:

2008 - Posey, Cassell and PJ helped bring a ring on the cheap and they could gone elsewhere...

2009 - we struck out

2010 - Rasheed helped get us 10 minutes away from another title.

2011 - Shaq, Jermaine & DWest chose us.
** I know some will disagree, but I believe if we don't have unfortunate injuries to these players throughout the year, as well as Rondo in game three, we're probably looking at another title. I think if we have a healthy Shaq and Rondo, we chew up Miami and Chicago pretty easily.

So, let's say, hypothetically, that we have the following the year after next...

Howard / Krstic
Insert / Insert
Jeff Green / Insert
Insert / DWest
Rondo / Bradley

I think with Howard and Rondo in place and with Green signed for something reasonable, we could easily attract another stud player at the, let's say, SG spot for max money and then add a mid level guy at the PF spot, or vice versa...

Personally I'd look to add a real tough guy at the PF spot to take some of the heat off Howard at the Center position and to reduce some of the pounding he gets. One of his biggest problems in Orlando is he is the "only" tough guy they have down low so he takes all the shots, every game.

If we put Howard and Rondo together, we ill get great value for our money, however much we have of it.  
    

[Section301]

The only trade it reminds me of is the Gerald Henderson trade.  Move a solid contributor from a championship team to get a great draft pick. While failing to win the championship.  And we all know how that pick ended up. 

I'll always take the bird in the hand.  When you have a contending squad, you play to win now, not for 4 years down the road. 

[ScoobyDoo]

and this doesn't account for the possibility of the following for the season of 2012-2013:

1. Acquiring other nice role players through the draft draft
2. Re-signing Ray and KG at minimum contracts as role players.

Those two guys might "love" the idea of being able to "be with the guys" and enjoy that ride every year without having to carry the heavy load anymore and yet still compete for rings. Parish played until he was 40 or something. Stockton, Malone and Reggie Miller played late into their 30's at a decent level as well.

Imagine, in the season of 2012 - 2013:

Howard / Krstic, or other
Max player / KG / Draft pick
Green / Pierce / Draft pick
Midlevel player / DWest / Ray
Rondo / Bradley / Draft pick

Maybe Pierce opts out of his last year contract and comes back for small change?...who knows...

That team would be dominant

[ScoobyDoo]

This is also True section301, it is and always will be very debatable - making a trade like the one that was made.

Time will tell as you mention.

I'm excited about what this team will look like that Ainge will build around Rondo - and I don't think he'll trade Rondo.

I wouldn't trade Rondo for Chris Paul or any other point out there except for Rose.

Rondo can't shoot, but he can score and if you give him the right weapons on the floor to run with, he'll carve you up in a fashion equal to the likes of Magic and Stockton.

The key question is can Ainge put the right pieces around Rondo moving forward.   

[wdleehi]

Thanks 2short and TP back because I think you've hit it on the head in your reply. Also agreed BASS_THUMPER.

Look, when I heard we traded Perkins, my heart sank. I was really bummed. But...Quis went down and we needed something at the wing. Also, we were probably going to lose Perkins for nothing in the off season if we didn't move him.

Kendrick Perkins - 9 year Vet with major knew surgery, for:
Jeff Green - Athletic young SF
Nenad Krstic: Nice 2nd or 3rd string back up center
Clipper's 1st round pick: 11th -16th, most likely.

**But more now to what 2short said -

The door is closing on the big three and we need to get more athletic, and fast, NOW.

I think we will see that every draft pick Ainge makes and every trade he makes will be one that brings in players who:

1. Can fly up and down the court with Rondo

2. Can build a nice "home", well furnished and ready for Dwight Howard to sit at the head of the Celtic table and start banging with Chicago, Miami, NY, Indiana, OKC and Memphis for titles for the next 7-8 years.

I think that's what a good GM does.

And this is where I'm wondering if Ainge is operating like Red. He got KG by having the courage to trade for Ray first.

If he build attractive enough young team over the enxt two years and Howard perceives that he can put them over the top, does Boston look interesting to him? With Doc Rivers in place?

Or should he go to LA? with Kobe at 34 and Pau at 31? He'll be rebuilding for another 4 years...how is that attractive?

or do you follow in the foo steps of Bill Russell and hang your legacy in Boston?

If you build it, they will come.

If the team was worried about rebuilding on the fly, the offseason would not have been about signing two older C.  


There were younger options out there available for the same money but with more years.

[bbd24]

True, having Pierce Ray and KG on big contracts has limited the amount of money we've been able to spend but I think we've gotten good value with the money we have had and that is because we have had the big guns here to draw people.

Some of them haven't worked out due to unfortunate injuries, but:

2008 - Posey, Cassell and PJ helped bring a ring on the cheap and they could gone elsewhere...

2009 - we struck out

2010 - Rasheed helped get us 10 minutes away from another title.

2011 - Shaq, Jermaine & DWest chose us.
** I know some will disagree, but I believe if we don't have unfortunate injuries to these players throughout the year, as well as Rondo in game three, we're probably looking at another title. I think if we have a healthy Shaq and Rondo, we chew up Miami and Chicago pretty easily.

So, let's say, hypothetically, that we have the following the year after next...

Howard / Krstic
Insert / Insert
Jeff Green / Insert
Insert / DWest
Rondo / Bradley

I think with Howard and Rondo in place and with Green signed for something reasonable, we could easily attract another stud player at the, let's say, SG spot for max money and then add a mid level guy at the PF spot, or vice versa...

Personally I'd look to add a real tough guy at the PF spot to take some of the heat off Howard at the Center position and to reduce some of the pounding he gets. One of his biggest problems in Orlando is he is the "only" tough guy they have down low so he takes all the shots, every game.

If we put Howard and Rondo together, we ill get great value for our money, however much we have of it.  
    

Who knows if Howard comes or not.  If I were to guess going forward, and after 2012, you might have something that resembles this on your team:

Rondo
Bradley
West
Pierce
BBD
Krstic
Starter from 2012 or 2013 draft (Clipper pick in 11-15 range)
Type A free agent (with the saved 2012 Money, i.e. a Howard type)

West, BBD, and Krstic all sign back on, with BBD being the biggest question mark.  Maybe let BBD walk if he wants too much cash.

Could you have both Jeff Green and a Type A free agent come 2012 ?  I think that still remains to be seen until the lockout stuff clears up.  You might have to settle for just one, depending on the situation.  In this case above, I save still and settle for the Howard type free agent come 2012.

Would a Ray Allen or a KG sign on for less to end their careers in Boston once they expire ?  Who knows.  What could you get in trade next year if that comes about ?  Other additions maybe ?

MLE ?

Ainge likes to get that cheap Vet here and there (The Shaq, JO, Sheed, etc.), so add that in somewhere down the road as well.  1 or 2 additions there.

Personally, I think the future is bright still, although a lot depends on this looming lockout junk.

[wdleehi]

True, having Pierce Ray and KG on big contracts has limited the amount of money we've been able to spend but I think we've gotten good value with the money we have had and that is because we have had the big guns here to draw people.

Some of them haven't worked out due to unfortunate injuries, but:

2008 - Posey, Cassell and PJ helped bring a ring on the cheap and they could gone elsewhere...

2009 - we struck out

2010 - Rasheed helped get us 10 minutes away from another title.

2011 - Shaq, Jermaine & DWest chose us.
** I know some will disagree, but I believe if we don't have unfortunate injuries to these players throughout the year, as well as Rondo in game three, we're probably looking at another title. I think if we have a healthy Shaq and Rondo, we chew up Miami and Chicago pretty easily.

So, let's say, hypothetically, that we have the following the year after next...

Howard / Krstic
Insert / Insert
Jeff Green / Insert
Insert / DWest
Rondo / Bradley

I think with Howard and Rondo in place and with Green signed for something reasonable, we could easily attract another stud player at the, let's say, SG spot for max money and then add a mid level guy at the PF spot, or vice versa...

Personally I'd look to add a real tough guy at the PF spot to take some of the heat off Howard at the Center position and to reduce some of the pounding he gets. One of his biggest problems in Orlando is he is the "only" tough guy they have down low so he takes all the shots, every game.

If we put Howard and Rondo together, we ill get great value for our money, however much we have of it.  
    

Who knows if Howard comes or not.  If I were to guess going forward, and after 2012, you might have something that resembles this on your team:

Rondo
Bradley
West
Pierce
BBD
Krstic
Starter from 2012 or 2013 draft (Clipper pick in 11-15 range)
Type A free agent (with the saved 2012 Money, i.e. a Howard type)

West, BBD, and Krstic all sign back on, with BBD being the biggest question mark.  Maybe let BBD walk if he wants too much cash.

Could you have both Jeff Green and a Type A free agent come 2012 ?  I think that still remains to be seen until the lockout stuff clears up.  You might have to settle for just one, depending on the situation.  In this case above, I save still and settle for the Howard type free agent come 2012.

Would a Ray Allen or a KG sign on for less to end their careers in Boston once they expire ?  Who knows.  What could you get in trade next year if that comes about ?  Other additions maybe ?

MLE ?

Ainge likes to get that cheap Vet here and there (The Shaq, JO, Sheed, etc.), so add that in somewhere down the road as well.  1 or 2 additions there.

Personally, I think the future is bright still, although a lot depends on this looming lockout junk.

The MLE is the MLE.  The age of the player does not matter.


Ainge has used in 2007, in 2008, in 2009 and 2010.

[bbd24]

This is also True section301, it is and always will be very debatable - making a trade like the one that was made.

Time will tell as you mention.

I'm excited about what this team will look like that Ainge will build around Rondo - and I don't think he'll trade Rondo.

I wouldn't trade Rondo for Chris Paul or any other point out there except for Rose.

Rondo can't shoot, but he can score and if you give him the right weapons on the floor to run with, he'll carve you up in a fashion equal to the likes of Magic and Stockton.

The key question is can Ainge put the right pieces around Rondo moving forward.   

Thats another factor going forward.  Just how much do you love a 20 yr old youngster in Avery Bradley ?  If he's going to be that darn good, what could a Rondo get you in trade ?  If its 2 pieces and a pick, you gotta think about it and then some.

Bradley could play a key role in all of this later on down the road.  Depending on his development.

[bbd24]

True, having Pierce Ray and KG on big contracts has limited the amount of money we've been able to spend but I think we've gotten good value with the money we have had and that is because we have had the big guns here to draw people.

Some of them haven't worked out due to unfortunate injuries, but:

2008 - Posey, Cassell and PJ helped bring a ring on the cheap and they could gone elsewhere...

2009 - we struck out

2010 - Rasheed helped get us 10 minutes away from another title.

2011 - Shaq, Jermaine & DWest chose us.
** I know some will disagree, but I believe if we don't have unfortunate injuries to these players throughout the year, as well as Rondo in game three, we're probably looking at another title. I think if we have a healthy Shaq and Rondo, we chew up Miami and Chicago pretty easily.

So, let's say, hypothetically, that we have the following the year after next...

Howard / Krstic
Insert / Insert
Jeff Green / Insert
Insert / DWest
Rondo / Bradley

I think with Howard and Rondo in place and with Green signed for something reasonable, we could easily attract another stud player at the, let's say, SG spot for max money and then add a mid level guy at the PF spot, or vice versa...

Personally I'd look to add a real tough guy at the PF spot to take some of the heat off Howard at the Center position and to reduce some of the pounding he gets. One of his biggest problems in Orlando is he is the "only" tough guy they have down low so he takes all the shots, every game.

If we put Howard and Rondo together, we ill get great value for our money, however much we have of it.  
    

Who knows if Howard comes or not.  If I were to guess going forward, and after 2012, you might have something that resembles this on your team:

Rondo
Bradley
West
Pierce
BBD
Krstic
Starter from 2012 or 2013 draft (Clipper pick in 11-15 range)
Type A free agent (with the saved 2012 Money, i.e. a Howard type)

West, BBD, and Krstic all sign back on, with BBD being the biggest question mark.  Maybe let BBD walk if he wants too much cash.

Could you have both Jeff Green and a Type A free agent come 2012 ?  I think that still remains to be seen until the lockout stuff clears up.  You might have to settle for just one, depending on the situation.  In this case above, I save still and settle for the Howard type free agent come 2012.

Would a Ray Allen or a KG sign on for less to end their careers in Boston once they expire ?  Who knows.  What could you get in trade next year if that comes about ?  Other additions maybe ?

MLE ?

Ainge likes to get that cheap Vet here and there (The Shaq, JO, Sheed, etc.), so add that in somewhere down the road as well.  1 or 2 additions there.

Personally, I think the future is bright still, although a lot depends on this looming lockout junk.

The MLE is the MLE.  The age of the player does not matter.


Ainge has used in 2007, in 2008, in 2009 and 2010.

I realize that.  I'm just guessing as to what the roster will entail.  He could conceivably add another player via the MLE is all I'm stating with the " MLE ? "

[wdleehi]

If there is an MLE.

[Jeff]

hey, look who's projected to be the 10th pick next year

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

maybe if we get the 11th pick and he slips a spot...