Why Boston lost this year

[ScoobyDoo]

33-10, without Perkins, AND  with a slew of other injuries to other key players - including Rondo, KG, Jermaine & DWest - on their way to that 33-10 mark.

We got killed by injuries this year, not by the Perkins trade.

[wdleehi]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

[nickagneta]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

Very telling stats

[OsirusCeltics]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

Very telling stats

How is that very telling? lol
That is such a naive way viewing Perk's importance to the Celtics this season
Many things happened from the Perk trade till the end of the season. You and everyone else knows it

[wdleehi]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

Very telling stats

How is that very telling? lol
That is such a naive way viewing Perk's importance to the Celtics this season
Many things happened from the Perk trade till the end of the season. You and everyone else knows it

Feel free to add it to the Celtics record with Perk the 3 previous years.


Or look at the starting 5 record together (season and playoffs)



At worst, the Celtics were winning 2 out of 3 with Perk this season. 


After the trade, close to 1 out of 2.

[nickagneta]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

Very telling stats

How is that very telling? lol
That is such a naive way viewing Perk's importance to the Celtics this season
Many things happened from the Perk trade till the end of the season. You and everyone else knows it

Like what?

The trade that got rid of

Marquis Daniels - out for the rest of the season
Nate Robinson - played 4 games before getting injured and being out for the remainder of the season
Semih Erden - limited to 4 games in Cleveland due to injuries and poor play
Luke Harangody - a horrible player.

The injuries to JO and DWest...they were injured before perk was traded and the Celtics played fine without them.

The constant nagging injuries to Rondo(except the one in the playoffs), he was like that all year.

What else happened?

[OsirusCeltics]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk?  


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

Very telling stats

How is that very telling? lol
That is such a naive way viewing Perk's importance to the Celtics this season
Many things happened from the Perk trade till the end of the season. You and everyone else knows it

Feel free to add it to the Celtics record with Perk the 3 previous years.


Or look at the starting 5 record together (season and playoffs)



At worst, the Celtics were winning 2 out of 3 with Perk this season.  


After the trade, close to 1 out of 2.

TEAM stats have nothing to do with individual stats

This is from 17wasEZ on Perk's stats :

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If Chicago had Perk they would not have gone on a cold streak.  He would have been the difference maker for them tonight (ailing knees and all).  

As a matter of fact, if the Celtics hadn't traded Perk they would be playing Chicago right now and would be up 2-0 because Perk was that good. Boston was NEVER out-rebounded with him in the lineup so there is no way Miami could have controlled the boards. He has almost singlehandedly carried OKC to the WCF.  

Durant, Westbrook and company would be useless without that anchor in the middle. Perk has already blocked 8 shots in 13 playoff games and is rolling offensively with one (1) playoff game where he has scored more than 7 points so far.

Don't let his +/- numbers below fool you........they got their $9 million dollar man for the 2011 playoff run and the Celtics clearly lost out!


TOP INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS
PLAYER 1       +/-               Games
N. Collison       +77           13
K. Durant       +65           13
J. Harden       +54           13
R. Westbrook       +51           13
N. Mohammed  +21           13
D. Cook             +6           13
S. Ibaka                + 3            13
N. Robinson         -4              3
R. Ivey                 -4              2
E. Maynor         -8            13
T. Sefolosha       -20                13
K. Perkins       -26           13

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=42010&split=9&team=Thunder

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He said it better than I could have
I'll throw out my own
Celtics were 24-58 in the 06-07 season with Pierce missing about 30 games due to injury. Perk was on that team, how come he didn't help then? Or maybe it was because of the 4 all stars around him that made him look good

[dlpin]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

And what was the record with Perkins but without Shaq? That is, the record with Perkins as a starter?
4-3


Let's recap:
The celtics lost because they had a very hard time scoring in the 4th quarter. Just like they had this year and last year WITH Perkins. But somehow, despite the fact that the struggles this year were the same as when we had Perkins, he would have been the difference?

[celts55]

If you ask me, the Celtics lost because the Heat played better. It seems pretty simple. They had two guys who were unstopable at times. Both Lebron and Wade were hitting rediculas shots, they beat the Celtics to almost every lose ball, out rebounded them especially on the offensive glass, and played excellent defense. Add that to the fact that the Celics had way way too many turnovers and you have a pretty simple answer. The Heat were the better team and desevered to win. 

[mostofusrsad]

If you ask me, the Celtics lost because the Heat played better. It seems pretty simple. They had two guys who were unstopable at times. Both Lebron and Wade were hitting rediculas shots, they beat the Celtics to almost every lose ball, out rebounded them especially on the offensive glass, and played excellent defense. Add that to the fact that the Celics had way way too many turnovers and you have a pretty simple answer. The Heat were the better team and desevered to win. 

100% agree, Miami had the fire in the belly and the better players.  As long as the former big 3 are our pillars we will not be winning a championship...the big 3 had their run but it is over now

[wdleehi]

33-10 without Perk?


Do the games after Perk was traded not count?  What is the teams overall record without Perk? 


With Perk (small sample)  8 - 4.


Without Perk  (large sample)  48 - 22

Not a huge difference.  The issue this team had was no real C down the stretch and a hurt C in the playoffs.



Before trade  41 - 14

after trade 14 - 12

And what was the record with Perkins but without Shaq? That is, the record with Perkins as a starter?
4-3


Let's recap:
The celtics lost because they had a very hard time scoring in the 4th quarter. Just like they had this year and last year WITH Perkins. But somehow, despite the fact that the struggles this year were the same as when we had Perkins, he would have been the difference?

Nothing like a 7 game sample to overwrite the past three seasons.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Here's my list of reasons we lost, in order:

1)  Shaq (Center position) Jermaine played great, but too few minutes for a starter and there was no backup.  Davis played 58% of all available minutes to him during the regular season, and too many in the playoffs.  The statistical downgrade from Shaq to Davis is nothing short of enormous. (Game 3 is a good example of what we saw in the regular season too).

2)  Rondo's injury.  Because of the lack of depth at PG he still had to play and wasn't nearly as effective.

3)  Miami Defense / Celtic Coaching.  Miami played great help defense, and Doc did nothing to mitigate this.  In addition, Doc let Miami's "small lineup" dominate w/o trying to exploit it.

4)  Ray Allen / Lack of Screens.  The screen setting was terrible for Ray, which made it much easier for Wade to stick on him.  Offensively Ray shot well.. when he shot (he didn't shoot enough).  Defensively Ray was the primary reason Wade (as usual) dominated the Celtics.

5)  Wade.  He played great defense (for once) and great offense.  Unfortunately in a game that had physical play go w/o a whistle, Wade also got to the free throw line if someone breathed on him.  Double standard.  

6)  Pierce shrinking from the moment.  He lost his composure in Game 1, had costly turnovers in Game 5 towards the end, missed a game winner in Game 4, and routinely disappeared at times.  He didn't look like himself.

7)  Lebron fully accepting the facilitor role and stepping up in games 4 and 5.

8 )  Bench play.  This was supposed to be an advantage for the Celtics, but it turned out to be a detriment.  

9)  KG's sporadic play.  Some games he took it to the hoop with great success, and others he settled for jumpers (and made only 1).  His effort was 100% there, but his shot and shot choice wasn't.

10)  Jeff Green.  When he attacked the hoop he looked great.  Unfortunately that wasn't often.  His defense on Lebron wasn't bad, but he had a propensity to foul.  And his turnover(s) in Game 5 proved costly.  Green was supposed to be the wild card advantage in this series, but he wasn't an advantage at all.

[dlpin]

Nothing like a 7 game sample to overwrite the past three seasons.

The past 3 seasons, in 2 of which age and injuries slowed down the team in the second half with Perkins on it?

Both 08-09 and 09-10 the team had problems scoring late in games because of injuries and age. Perkins was in both of those teams. But somehow now when we have the same late game scoring droughts it is because we are missing Perkins?

[BASS_THUMPER]

please stop lookin at perks point per..

when perk left the chemistry changed..

h20 with out the 2 u jus got ho...

[dlpin]

please stop lookin at perks point per..

when perk left the chemistry changed..

h20 with out the 2 u jus got ho...

Again, where was this "chemistry" when the celtics suffered the exact same problems late last season and against the lakers? Where was this chemistry problem when the celtics gained on everyone immediately following the trade? Where was this lack of chemistry when the celtics were rolling through the first half of the season and Perkins didn't practice or travel with the team?

Is Perkins' chemistry so great that he affects the team from hundreds of miles away?

Was is a lack of chemistry that made Lebron hit 5 of 7 3s in the decisive game?

Chemistry is great and all, but it doesn't make contenders into 2 round fodder like so many people here seem to think.


I guess it is just easier to focus on the trade than it is admitting that this team is old.