We need a "massive playbook" because of Rondo

[quidinqui33]

I had posted this within another post, but to me this quote from Doc says a lot and I wanted to make sure everyone had a chance to read it.

In his interview on WEEI today Doc said the following while talking about the lingering effects of the trade.

"Now there's the fifth guy who doesn't know your offense three years ago. He only knows what he knows since he's been there, and that limited our group. With Rondo, because the way teams guard him, you need a massive playbook and that took more away from it than we thought."

That last part of the quote just kind of came out at the end if you listen to the interview but it speaks volumes. 

Isn't the fact that the C's need to devise a complex offensive playbook to offset Rondo's shortcomings as a shooter a pretty huge issue?  The PG should make this easier.

As I said in my initial post, I love Rondo, but if this is true, then I would have to think that Danny and Doc would jump at the chance to upgrade at the PG position with a CP3 or Deron Williams (assuming you consider either of those two an upgrade).

Thoughts?

[Arok325]

I saw this quote too.

Obviously the coaching staff and GM have known about this for a long time and don't seem to be too concerned. Sure it may have hurt us a bit transitioning new players in but i don't think it's a big deal honestly. Who's to a saya smaller playbook is a any better?

Even if we got a new elite PG we would have to then redesign the playbook so I think it's a moot point.

[j804]

Well it's true if you don't think Danny would shop him around you're mistaken because I'm sure he will.

[RJ87]

I saw this quote too.

Obviously the coaching staff and GM have known about this for a long time and don't seem to be too concerned. Sure it may have hurt us a bit transitioning new players in but i don't think it's a big deal honestly. Who's to a saya smaller playbook is a any better?

Even if we got a new elite PG we would have to then redesign the playbook so I think it's a moot point.

Agreed.
And it should be pointed it out that the C's playbook was basically cut in half at the beginning of the playoffs - so I don't think it's as big of an issue as some fans are about to make it out to be.

[quidinqui33]

I saw this quote too.

Obviously the coaching staff and GM have known about this for a long time and don't seem to be too concerned. Sure it may have hurt us a bit transitioning new players in but i don't think it's a big deal honestly. Who's to a saya smaller playbook is a any better?

Even if we got a new elite PG we would have to then redesign the playbook so I think it's a moot point.

Agreed.
And it should be pointed it out that the C's playbook was basically cut in half at the beginning of the playoffs - so I think it's as big of an issue as some fans are about to make it out to be.

The part that I find interesting is that Doc is saying that the way teams defend rondo is why we have a massive playbook.  I would feel a lot more comfortable if he were saying rondo brings so many options to the table, it allows us to have a massive playbook.  

It seems we are being forced to have a more complex playbook, which makes incorporating any changes (new personell, different lineups, etc.) that much more difficult.  Thus, cutting the playbook in half right before the playoffs.  Not a good thing.

I may be looking into it too much, but I thought it was an interesting thing for Doc to reveal.

[quidinqui33]

I saw this quote too.

Obviously the coaching staff and GM have known about this for a long time and don't seem to be too concerned. Sure it may have hurt us a bit transitioning new players in but i don't think it's a big deal honestly. Who's to a saya smaller playbook is a any better?

Even if we got a new elite PG we would have to then redesign the playbook so I think it's a moot point.

Agreed.
And it should be pointed it out that the C's playbook was basically cut in half at the beginning of the playoffs - so I think it's as big of an issue as some fans are about to make it out to be.

The part that I find interesting is that Doc is saying that the way teams defend rondo is why we have a massive playbook.  I would feel a lot more comfortable if he were saying rondo brings so many options to the table, it allows us to have a massive playbook.  

It seems we are being forced to have a more complex playbook, which makes incorporating any changes (new personnel, different lineups, etc.) that much more difficult.  Thus, cutting the playbook in half right before the playoffs.  Not a good thing.

I may be looking into it too much, but I thought it was an interesting thing for Doc to reveal.

[CelticG1]

It may not be a huge issue but it is an issue. Although Rondo makes the Big 3's job easier some time I think it's fair to say that is completely reciprocated on their part as well. The Big three have to work so much harder (getting double teamed, runnning off screens, setting screens) and they have to be extremely efficient offensively for them to work.

It's not like Danny and Doc don't know how bad Rondo's shooting is. In just about every series Doc talks about how Rondo needs to find a way to get his job done with everyone sagging off him.

[Arok325]

Call me crazy but it really doesn't bother me. Every player forces you to make adjustments based on what they can or can't do. It just means the coaches have to do their jobs well.

[2short]

jeez if we had some players to keep up with rondos fast break we would only need 5 plays

[TheTruthFot18]

Ya, Rondo makes the Big 3's game a little easier but thats his job right? He is the play maker and scores when his shot is open. or a clean (in his mind) drive.

If we had a young (rookie -> on) CP3 or DWill with the Big 3 from 07-11, would they not develop in a similar way? I can only imagine Rondo without some or all the Big 3. Until he gets stuck with some real crummy or average teammates, we can not understand his true potential. I still see another Jason Kidd coming. His jump shot is really not a concern but the FT's are for sure  .

Not saying I wouldn't trade him for CP3 or DWill but for now, no one else has a bigger impact on this team.

[gar]

When you PG is one of the leaders in assists and you top three players are all playing at career highs for efficiency is hard to see this as a huge negative.

Wade's defense on RA and Lebron's defense on PP are not something you can easily offset with an injured one armed PG. If Delonte did not know the offense then this is the coaching staffs (and Delonte's) fault. He certainly had time to learn it.

[mgent]

Wow I was saying for the entire second half of the season that our entire offensive set sucked and we needed to completely change it just like the Spurs did at the beginning of the season.  There was absolutely no way for Rondo to make the defense pay for playing off him.

Doc is 100% correct.

[gar]

Wow I was saying for the entire second half of the season that our entire offensive set sucked and we needed to completely change it just like the Spurs did at the beginning of the season.  There was absolutely no way for Rondo to make the defense pay for playing off him.

Doc is 100% correct.

Rondo shoots a decent % overall. If he is not willing to take the shot it plays into their hand. A shooter can't be afraid to miss. Rondo is afraid to miss and it shows.

[paulcowens]

You don't 'upgrade' from a Rondo.  But we sure could use some shooting upgrade from Rondo.

[paulcowens]

Rondo shoots a decent % overall. If he is not willing to take the shot it plays into their hand. A shooter can't be afraid to miss. Rondo is afraid to miss and it shows.
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I agree that Rondo seems afraid to shoot at times, and it's a problem.