Enough with the Rondo trade talks

[twinbree]

Well it is the offseason and he is our most attractive asset so you haven't seen the half of the trade Rondo talks. That train hasn't even left the station.

Personally, I love Rondo and I'm very comfortable with building around him after the Big 3 retire. Especially with Danny and Doc around for the foreseeable future. If anyone knows how to put a winning team around Rondo to complement his strengths and minimize his weaknesses it's them. They've worked with him since he was drafted. They have to have given this a lot thought before they extended him. We only have Pierce signed past 2012 so the team plans to acquire new players. The Big 3 won't suddenly leave and the team becomes Rondo and a bunch of players that are a poor fit together.

CP3 is not getting traded here so those trade talks are silly IMO. Mark Cuban might be willing to rent players for a postseason but I don't think our front office is.

[LooseCannon]

Can we stop trying to find a way to trade Rondo.  Am I the only person that actually thinks he's worth keeping and building the team around. 

I'd like people to come up with more realistic ideas. 

I don't see a realistic deal for Rondo that improves the team.  I assume there is no reasonable trade for Westbrook, Rose, Paul, or D. Williams.  I think Pierce doesn't get traded.  I think Ray Allen and KG can probably only be traded for overpaid role players or failed prospects that teams want to get rid of in a salary dump.  (I expect that what Ainge could get for Ray Allen mid-season will be less than what the Rockets got for Battier.)  Doc Rivers coming back should be a sign that the veteran trio will be kept together for one last year unless the team completely unravels and is a borderline play-off team or worse.   I'm generally dismissive of the idea that the Celtics can S&T Green or Davis.

I'd like to see ideas to improve the team under those constraints.

Even if it were possible, I don't like trading for Chris Paul because of his Brandon Roy-esque knees.  In the short-term, I think the team's best chances for getting better are improvement from Jeff Green and Avery Bradley, drafting players who can contribute immediately, and finding good role players among the sorts of players who have never done anything in the NBA before.  I think Ainge has to build a bench where Doc has no choice but to play young players significant minutes.

[PosImpos]

Rondo has a ton of heart, is a great distributor, has great instincts, and has very good court vision.

That said, he's not as good as Chris Paul.  Paul would instantly elevate our championship chances next year.  He may be the one semi-realistic player that we can acquire that would extend our current window.  (Other guys, including of course Howard, would, but I don't think we can get them, especially not for next season.)

There are very few players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul is clearly one of them.

Roy said it best here.

[SHAQATTACK]

I agree enought said ...lets do this !!...less talk more action !!  SENDING .. Rondo and KG and BBD to the Hornets for CP3 .    ASAP!!!   

 Ps...I'm sending my next paycheck to DA to help pay for GILBERTS contract in Orlando we'll have to eat. .  

[ThaPreacher]

Rondo has a ton of heart, is a great distributor, has great instincts, and has very good court vision.

That said, he's not as good as Chris Paul.  Paul would instantly elevate our championship chances next year.  He may be the one semi-realistic player that we can acquire that would extend our current window.  (Other guys, including of course Howard, would, but I don't think we can get them, especially not for next season.)

There are very few players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul is clearly one of them.

Sometimes when I log on, I am like alot of you guys where I laugh or curse to myself when I see ridiculous threads or posts.  And then I find a little gem from Roy.

Rondo is a warrior. (wish he had made that grade school layup at the end of game 3 however)
He is spectacular athlete.  He is a wizard in so many ways.

But CPK?
Deron Williams?

Those guys would make all the difference.  
We missed out on Deron.  And I know it would be hard for some to part with Rondo.
But Williams can shoot.

CPK.  Wow.  not even a question.  Not for a Post-Season run.
Rondo for the regular season.  Energy, youth and durability.
But CPK changes the outcome.

And Roy has it totally correct.  Period. The end.


But riddle me this.  Why not a Rondo/Baby/plus others/+ draft picks package for Howard?
Rondo for Westbrook no way.

Rondo for others,  has to be considered.


 

[birdwatcher]

Rondo has a ton of heart, is a great distributor, has great instincts, and has very good court vision.

That said, he's not as good as Chris Paul.  Paul would instantly elevate our championship chances next year.  He may be the one semi-realistic player that we can acquire that would extend our current window.  (Other guys, including of course Howard, would, but I don't think we can get them, especially not for next season.)

There are very few players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul is clearly one of them.

Sometimes when I log on, I am like alot of you guys where I laugh or curse to myself when I see ridiculous threads or posts.  And then I find a little gem from Roy.

Rondo is a warrior. (wish he had made that grade school layup at the end of game 3 however)
He is spectacular athlete.  He is a wizard in so many ways.

But CPK?
Deron Williams?

Those guys would make all the difference.  
We missed out on Deron.  And I know it would be hard for some to part with Rondo.
But Williams can shoot.

CPK.  Wow.  not even a question.  Not for a Post-Season run.
Rondo for the regular season.  Energy, youth and durability.
But CPK changes the outcome.

And Roy has it totally correct.  Period. The end.


But riddle me this.  Why not a Rondo/Baby/plus others/+ draft picks package for Howard?
Rondo for Westbrook no way.

Rondo for others,  has to be considered.


 

Why not post this gem on a Orlando blog so they could get a laugh? If Otis Smith is dumb enough to give up Howard for a really good PG and a mobile pancake disposal, cool, bring it!

[SHAQATTACK]

CP3 is really the FIRST piece needed to draw the OTHER people we want .  Rondo is the KEY trade piece to make this a possibility.

DOC + CP3 =  BIG's wanting to be a Celtic.  

DOC + CP3 + REAL CENTER =  18


LETS DO This DANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zimbo]

JP3? CPK? LOL! What next JPK? I just love these threads

[LooseCannon]

If Otis Smith is dumb enough to give up Howard for a really good PG and a mobile pancake disposal, cool, bring it!

Otis Smith traded for Gilbert Arenas.  Given that, I suppose the idea's not completely laughable.

[the_Bird]

Rondo has a ton of heart, is a great distributor, has great instincts, and has very good court vision.

That said, he's not as good as Chris Paul.  Paul would instantly elevate our championship chances next year.  He may be the one semi-realistic player that we can acquire that would extend our current window.  (Other guys, including of course Howard, would, but I don't think we can get them, especially not for next season.)

There are very few players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul is clearly one of them.

Roy said it best here.

He often does.

There aren't many players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul's one of them.  If he's legitimately on the block, you need to make those inquiries.  Having a guy who can score AND still distribute the ball from the PG spot would be invaluable as the Big 3 age and can't carry the offensive load as much. 

[EJPLAYA]

What I find amusing is all of the people that think that you can trade something of small value for something of big value. Everyone on these threads that suggests trading Rondo does it because they realize the guy is a talented player that other teams would want on their team. Otherwise the other teams wouldn’t be interested in him. Chris Paul is a better player than Rondo. Deron Williams is a better player. Derrick Rose is a better player. Rose isn’t going anywhere. Deron and Chris Paul are possibilities. They would both make us better immediately. If you can swap Rondo and something out for either of them you do it. That is no knock on Rondo. If you could have traded Kevin McHale for Michael Jordan you would have done that too. Not because you didn’t love McHale, but MJ makes you better.

[j804]

Rondo has a ton of heart, is a great distributor, has great instincts, and has very good court vision.

That said, he's not as good as Chris Paul.  Paul would instantly elevate our championship chances next year.  He may be the one semi-realistic player that we can acquire that would extend our current window.  (Other guys, including of course Howard, would, but I don't think we can get them, especially not for next season.)

There are very few players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul is clearly one of them.

There is no doubt I'm sure Ainge would do it as well and will likely explore it

Roy said it best here.

He often does.

There aren't many players I'd trade Rondo for, but Chris Paul's one of them.  If he's legitimately on the block, you need to make those inquiries.  Having a guy who can score AND still distribute the ball from the PG spot would be invaluable as the Big 3 age and can't carry the offensive load as much. 

[zimbo]

What I find amusing is all of the people that think that you can trade something of small value for something of big value. Everyone on these threads that suggests trading Rondo does it because they realize the guy is a talented player that other teams would want on their team. Otherwise the other teams wouldn’t be interested in him. Chris Paul is a better player than Rondo. Deron Williams is a better player. Derrick Rose is a better player. Rose isn’t going anywhere. Deron and Chris Paul are possibilities. They would both make us better immediately. If you can swap Rondo and something out for either of them you do it. That is no knock on Rondo. If you could have traded Kevin McHale for Michael Jordan you would have done that too. Not because you didn’t love McHale, but MJ makes you better.

  So, you're saying CP3's, DWill's impact on this team would be like getting MJ? Okay.

[Kuberski1]

NO may well be in a Carmello type situation with Paul.  He is under contract for 2 more years, the 2nd of which is a player option.  Will he want to stick around NO?  Who knows, but he has to be thinking of taking a serious look around.

NO of course knows all of this.  After the new CBA is decided, they will have to see if they can extend his contract.  If CP doesn't, that's the point NO will consider offers, IMO.  Rondo and a combination of players/picks would have to be one of the more attractive offers.  NO would get an all-star caliber replacement at point, and some other good pieces to work with.

I would hate to see Rondo go - great talent, great competitor, arguably the most important player on the team in many ways ("As Rondo goes, so go the Celtics").  But for a talent like Paul, who practically took the Lakers to 6 on his own, I think we have to do it.

[The DarkPassenger]

I wouldn't see us landing Chris Paul and even if he did I am not completely sure he would even stay here. We would have to give up some decent talent in order to get him. As a guess I'd say that they'd ask for Rondo, Ray and maybe another player and a few picks. So we lose two starters and gain one so we have a spot to fill at SG.

Some have said you should also base the trade on a guarantee of an extension and I don't think he'd sign one based on the lineup and direction of the team. An aging Paul Pierce and KG and no draft picks to speak of since you gave them to the Hornets so now you're relying on Chris Pauls name and the Boston history to draw other players here via free agency but that just did not work for the Hornets. Boston has, obviously, a deeper history than New Orleans but would he go from a team rebuilding now to a team who MIGHT contend and then will START the rebuilding process?

Plus the Hornets owners want to keep the Hornets in New Orleans and will try every thing they need to do to try and get Paul back to them so they can try to bring some other names in around him and stay in the NBA family. They would be taking a HUGE risk by basically restarting the whole rebuilding process over again.

It'd be nice to land Chris Paul cause he is a great player but I do not think we are seeing all that Rondo can do. Maybe I am wrong but I just don't think so. We get on him because he isn't a scorer but with Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG, Shaq, JO and even Jeff Green... who are ALL scorers and some are even HOFers why wouldn't you just pass them the ball? You'd be dumb not to so I will grade Rondos scoring ability when he actually MUST be the main scorer. Chris Paul, Derrick Rose and even Westbrook (to a degree) have to be the main scorer otherwise the team might be a winless as the Cavaliers were so that's the why I see it. Look who is around CP3 and Rose and then look who is around Rondo, he doesn't need to score.