Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...

[Chris]

I would welcome Baby back at the right price, however, I just think he is gone.  The only reason he came back last time was because the RFA status forced his hand.  No one wanted to offer him a deal and have it matched.  This time however, he is free to walk, and he will go somewhere else, where he feels he can get more of the spotlight.

I do hope we can sign and trade him though, and get someone back for him.

As far as a replacement, the obvious guys (Landry and Humphries) will likely be out of our price range.  However, I think they would be just fine if they went after Chuck Hayes, Craig Smith, or Reggie Evans.  They are all really good hustle players who can play a little defense and pound the boards, and who could likely be had for something around the LLE (or maybe use Marquis Daniels' trade exception).

The C's would be losing some offense, but hopefully they can find that elsewhere (if Green is still on the roster, they need him to give them much more).

[European NBA fan]

I'm mostly concerned with his health issues. It is clear that his knee problems took away his lift and it probably hurt his ability to work hard in practice. He needs to stick to a training program and probably lose more weight to get 100 percent healthy again, and then we could reevalute him. I would think a one-year contract is all anyone should give him.





If there is any way we could get JJ Hickson, I would say bye-bye Baby

[thirstyboots18]

First, I want to say that I love Doc and want him back.

Second, I want to say that I like Glen Davis when he is playing his role.

That said, I hope Davis signs somewhere else. 

As long as he is on this team, I am afraid that Doc will overplay him.  He is not in (can't seem to attain) condition to play more than 15--20 minutes a game, but Doc continues to fall  back on him in cruch time...to the point that I wonder if Glen is holding something on him.  Given a choice between developing new guys and playing Davis for big minutes, the obvious answer, to me, is not the one that Doc has been using. The difference is that playing the newbies may have cost us a few games...while Glen Davis' exhausted bad play cost us a few games and the new guys didn't have a chance to develope.

[CelticG1]

I'm mostly concerned with his health issues. It is clear that his knee problems took away his lift and it probably hurt his ability to work hard in practice. He needs to stick to a training program and probably lose more weight to get 100 percent healthy again, and then we could reevalute him. I would think a one-year contract is all anyone should give him.





If there is any way we could get JJ Hickson, I would say bye-bye Baby

What knee issues? Are their really health concerns with him? He is probably one of the last guys on the Celtics that I have health concerns over at the moment.

Also what is it with people talking about his weight? Have people personally been weighing him throughout the season?

He had weight clauses in his contract where he would get bonuses for meeting those requirements right? What evidence do people have that he didn't meet those? Is there a way we can check this for sure? Since Baby loves money and is young I assumed he reached those goals. Also Danny (althought everyone thinks he's a liar) mentioned that Baby fulfilled those weight clauses and I don't really see any reason for him to lie about that

[European NBA fan]

I'm mostly concerned with his health issues. It is clear that his knee problems took away his lift and it probably hurt his ability to work hard in practice. He needs to stick to a training program and probably lose more weight to get 100 percent healthy again, and then we could reevalute him. I would think a one-year contract is all anyone should give him.





If there is any way we could get JJ Hickson, I would say bye-bye Baby

What knee issues? Are their really health concerns with him? He is probably one of the last guys on the Celtics that I have health concerns over at the moment.

Also what is it with people talking about his weight? Have people personally been weighing him throughout the season?

He had weight clauses in his contract where he would get bonuses for meeting those requirements right? What evidence do people have that he didn't meet those? Is there a way we can check this for sure? Since Baby loves money and is young I assumed he reached those goals. Also Danny (althought everyone thinks he's a liar) mentioned that Baby fulfilled those weight clauses and I don't really see any reason for him to lie about that

When Baby was out with a minor knee injury in March he said that he had struggled with tendinitis in the knee all season. I'm not sure it is the same as Jumper's knee, but I guess so. And that won't go away without lots of rest and training. It would also help if he puts less weight on the knee.

[KungPoweChicken]

I would love to have Reggie Evans. That would be a great signing.

[j804]

Davis is young - health issues??  

[ManUp]

Baby is a good 8th guy in the rotation our problem was he was our 6th.

[Marcus13]

I still want BBD on this team over Jeff Green.

With that said, his basketball IQ hasn't gone up a point since his rookie season so I don't see any real room for growth in his game

[thirstyboots18]

I still want BBD on this team over Jeff Green.

With that said, his basketball IQ hasn't gone up a point since his rookie season so I don't see any real room for growth in his game

Then what are your reasons for keeping him over Jeff Green?

[Marcus13]

I still want BBD on this team over Jeff Green.

With that said, his basketball IQ hasn't gone up a point since his rookie season so I don't see any real room for growth in his game

Then what are your reasons for keeping him over Jeff Green?

Desire and toughness, mostly.  Big Baby is going to give you 100% night in and night out...even though it comes with bad decision-making.  Jeff Green stands in the corner, stagnant, and when he does go to the hoop he avoids contact at all costs.

Just scary

[celts55]

Okay, I promise this will be my last post about Davis, but if I never see him in a Celtics uniform again, it's great with me.

I'm sorry, but when a guy gets paid the kind of money these guys gets paid, and can't put in the effort to get into shape, I'm done with them. In his case not only didn't he get in batter shape over 4 years, but got fatter as this season went on. Watching him flop around on the floor like a fish out of water was painful.

And please don't give me that's his body type crap. I'm 55 years old and decided last year I was tired of being fat. I started going to the gym and have lost around 40 pounds, and I didn't even have a money incentive. How anyone who makes millions of dollars with their body can't take the time to get it in shape is beyond me.

[CelticG1]

I still want BBD on this team over Jeff Green.

With that said, his basketball IQ hasn't gone up a point since his rookie season so I don't see any real room for growth in his game

Then what are your reasons for keeping him over Jeff Green?

Desire and toughness, mostly.  Big Baby is going to give you 100% night in and night out...even though it comes with bad decision-making.  Jeff Green stands in the corner, stagnant, and when he does go to the hoop he avoids contact at all costs.

Just scary

You can say he is passive but I never really noticed him avoiding contact when driving to the hoop. It looked to me like he would go in hard for a dunk regardless of who was there. I thought he actually went to the free throw line a decent amount for a guy getting such a low amount of shot attempts

[ballin]

Baby was atrocious in the playoffs, and he definitely slumped toward the end of the season.  The kid is immature, not very cerebral, has little vertical lift, thinks he's better than he is, and is a poor rebounder.

That said, we said a lot of the same things about Tony Allen (other than the vertical lift thing).  Here we are, ten months later, and there are multiple posts that have lamented the loss of Tony Allen.  Why?  Because we declined to match a reasonable offer, and because we didn't find an adequate replacement.

That's going to be the key with BBD:  if we don't sign him, we need to find somebody at least as good, and hopefully better.  Outside of maybe Carl Landry and Kris Humphreys, there aren't a lot of guys as good as Baby out there.  It doesn't do us any good if we run Baby out of town, but replace him with a guy even worse than he is.

Baby still put up 12/6 this year in the second half, despite having a very poor February and April.  His production, coupled with his above-average defense, makes him a useful player when he plays within his role.

Hobbs I usually agree with nearly all of what you say, but on this one I've got to disagree with you.

I'll start off by agreeing that, yes, obviously we don't want to ditch Baby only to replace him with somebody worse.

1) I simply disagree with your evaluation of him as a player. For a PF/C who played 30 minutes a game, his rebound total of 5.4 is ATROCIOUSLY below average. And yes he averaged 11.7 point per game, but he did so at the cost of being extremely inefficient. He's a chucker and a black hole on offense, and you don't even need advanced stats to tell you that. His assist rate is obviously horrible as well. Conclusion: for a player that takes up 30 minutes of playing time per game, he gives you far below average production on offense.

2) As for defense, I don't know how you think he's anything but a poor defender. He gives up an insurmountable amount of height to nearly every player he guards, and he lacks the wingspan and lift to compensate for it. Not to mention, part of defense is closing out a play by securing the defensive rebound, which Baby can't do. Also, he seems to have forgotten how to take charges, which is the only positive aspect of his defensive game.


So Baby is actually fairly easy to replace. The funniest thing is that we already have a player who can plays PF and is better than him: Jeff Green. So run him out of town, as far as I'm concerned.

[2short]

Davis thinks he is better than he really is, when he is on the floor, when giving interviews and when there is a contract involved.  He's a really good second round pick by Danny.  Ainge has a really good 2nd round draft history, I'd welcome semih back in a second.  Point is Davis has a unique skill set, mainly due to him being 6'7"-seems like he has great feet for a big but he is really a "stocky" sf    BUT he can easily be replaced by a true backup pf, 6'8" -10"
easily
adieu