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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2011, 09:22:08 PM »

Offline Celticsfan336

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Any of them!

Mikki Moore isn't walking through those doors!!!!

haha jk....but BBD did nothing to help us as a "big man" out there.

his weakside help defense was terrible, he didnt take any charges, didnt get any second chance points, didnt get any rebounds esepcially timely rebounds, and shot way too many jumpshots.

He is not what we need, sorry.

Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2011, 09:45:22 PM »

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Outside of Carl Landry, who do people propose we replace him with?  That, to me, is the question.  If it's an upgrade, beautiful.  However, to get rid of a player just for the sake of getting rid of him isn't always a good idea.  Again, see, e.g., Tony Allen.

So we should give him a long term deal knowing he wants to start and take a ton of shots, and knowing it will hurt our cap space in 2012, just because there is no one better that we can get? I am also offended at his lack of effort to stay in NBA shape at his age in a contract year.

As we (should have) all learned as fans from the Tony Allen situation, just because we personally don't like a player doesn't mean he can't help our team.

I tend to agree with Who:  there are only a small handful of guys on the market who can offer as much as Baby.  If our goal is to compete next year, it makes sense to attempt to sign him to a reasonable deal if we can't get one of the upgrades.

Much like with when we signed JO last year, I think some are a bit too focused on the playoffs, and are forgetting what the player (in this case, BBD) contributed during the season.


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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2011, 10:05:33 PM »

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I would take JaJuan Johnson over Big Baby any day of the week, among others.
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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2011, 10:07:10 PM »

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If given the choice of BBD vs Carl Landry,give me Carl Landry.He's a decent rebounder,high energy,has some good offensive skills.BBD is becoming a legend in his own mind...The team need role players that can rebound on a consistent basis.

Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2011, 10:07:39 PM »

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Outside of Carl Landry, who do people propose we replace him with?  That, to me, is the question.  If it's an upgrade, beautiful.  However, to get rid of a player just for the sake of getting rid of him isn't always a good idea.  Again, see, e.g., Tony Allen.

So we should give him a long term deal knowing he wants to start and take a ton of shots, and knowing it will hurt our cap space in 2012, just because there is no one better that we can get? I am also offended at his lack of effort to stay in NBA shape at his age in a contract year.

As we (should have) all learned as fans from the Tony Allen situation, just because we personally don't like a player doesn't mean he can't help our team.

I tend to agree with Who:  there are only a small handful of guys on the market who can offer as much as Baby.  If our goal is to compete next year, it makes sense to attempt to sign him to a reasonable deal if we can't get one of the upgrades.

Much like with when we signed JO last year, I think some are a bit too focused on the playoffs, and are forgetting what the player (in this case, BBD) contributed during the season.
I think he effectively played himself out of a big contract in the playoffs, so he may be available for cheap. However, if he suffers from the TA syndrome, he may sign elsewhere regardless.
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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2011, 10:09:11 PM »

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If given the choice of BBD vs Carl Landry,give me Carl Landry.He's a decent rebounder,high energy,has some good offensive skills.BBD is becoming a legend in his own mind...The team need role players that can rebound on a consistent basis.
The problem is, you need to spend cap assets to sign Carl Landry. Not to mention that Landry isn't a rebounder either (mostly because he's even more undersized than Davis), and has completely become and afterthought after his days in Houston.
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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2011, 10:12:32 PM »

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The goal will be to sign Baby or a player to fill his shoes for next year only, unless it is really on the cheap (like his last contract). I totally agree with you, Roy - with so few options, I don't see how we don't bring Baby back, if it is a [very] reasonable deal. We just can't hamper ourselves with a contract past next season for just an okay player...

Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2011, 10:33:23 PM »

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He can't leave quick enough! Another fan vying for another year where Baby is your most healthiest big at season's end. Maybe you haven't had enough of failing in the playoffs or maybe you like watching 3 point plays courtesy of his soft touch. No rebounds and his flopping defense. I will take Stephane Lasme over any single ability Baby has to offer including dancing.

Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2011, 10:33:56 PM »

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Outside of Carl Landry, who do people propose we replace him with?  That, to me, is the question.  If it's an upgrade, beautiful.  However, to get rid of a player just for the sake of getting rid of him isn't always a good idea.  Again, see, e.g., Tony Allen.

So we should give him a long term deal knowing he wants to start and take a ton of shots, and knowing it will hurt our cap space in 2012, just because there is no one better that we can get? I am also offended at his lack of effort to stay in NBA shape at his age in a contract year.

As we (should have) all learned as fans from the Tony Allen situation, just because we personally don't like a player doesn't mean he can't help our team.

I tend to agree with Who:  there are only a small handful of guys on the market who can offer as much as Baby.  If our goal is to compete next year, it makes sense to attempt to sign him to a reasonable deal if we can't get one of the upgrades.

Much like with when we signed JO last year, I think some are a bit too focused on the playoffs, and are forgetting what the player (in this case, BBD) contributed during the season.


I don't hate Glen Davis, I liked him since his rookie year, but he has been dissapointing ever since he started during the playoffs while KG was out. During that time he got a big head and no longer plays team basketball imo. Even worse, he got even more out of shape in a contract season rather than getting in shape as any young pro should. I question his work ethic and mindset, not his skills. If he wants to start and we sign him and hurt our cap space to have him disgruntled on the bench and with bad knees because he refuses to loose weight, it's a bad investment.

Tony Allen was very different in that he was and is in fantastic shape. What he had in common with Davis is he wanted to start. The difference imo is he deserves to start in the NBA and plays team basketball, Davis does not.

Davis has some unique skills. He can guard the 4 and 5 well and can score inside and hit the outside jumpers, and has great mobility and moves for a guy his size. He also can't jump, rebound, or finish well in traffic however. These things would all be fine if he accepted his limitations and tried to stay in shape, but neither of those things will happen here imo.

Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2011, 10:37:51 PM »

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Outside of Carl Landry, who do people propose we replace him with?  That, to me, is the question.  If it's an upgrade, beautiful.  However, to get rid of a player just for the sake of getting rid of him isn't always a good idea.  Again, see, e.g., Tony Allen.
Kenyon Martin, Carl Landry and Kris Humphries look to be the only possible upgrades.

Chuck Hayes is arguably a lateral move. Maybe Wilcox.

Then there are downgrades -- Chris Wilcox, Josh McRoberts, Craig Smith, Josh Powell, Joey Dorsey.

I'd expand the list to include journeyman C types: Jeff Foster, Kurt Thomas, Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown.

I'm comfortable giving Davis' minutes in the PF rotation to Jeff Green. Give Davis' minutes at C to a bona fide backup center.

I do like the idea of Kenyon Martin as a frontcourt mate for Garnett. Would provide some real nastiness and physicality.
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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2011, 10:43:31 PM »

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Outside of Carl Landry, who do people propose we replace him with?  That, to me, is the question.  If it's an upgrade, beautiful.  However, to get rid of a player just for the sake of getting rid of him isn't always a good idea.  Again, see, e.g., Tony Allen.
Kenyon Martin, Carl Landry and Kris Humphries look to be the only possible upgrades.

Chuck Hayes is arguably a lateral move. Maybe Wilcox.

Then there are downgrades -- Chris Wilcox, Josh McRoberts, Craig Smith, Josh Powell, Joey Dorsey.

I'd expand the list to include journeyman C types: Jeff Foster, Kurt Thomas, Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown.

I'm comfortable giving Davis' minutes in the PF rotation to Jeff Green. Give Davis' minutes at C to a bona fide backup center.

I do like the idea of Kenyon Martin as a frontcourt mate for Garnett. Would provide some real nastiness and physicality.
Your backup center is probably Nenad Krstic. You're looking for a starting center at this point.
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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2011, 11:12:37 PM »

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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2011, 11:48:40 PM »

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Is Baby a sign and trade candidate? I'm not sure, after his playoff showing. :-\
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Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2011, 11:54:31 PM »

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BBD lost a ton of money down the stretch.  He has to be injured.  He just was not himself.

Re: Let's not be so quick to run Baby out of town...
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2011, 12:06:32 AM »

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Come on guys. Lets call a spade a spade. BBD ate himself out of being productive on this team. He has not kept himself in shape and it has made all of those positive things that he has done well last year or so (like taking charges, finishing well around the rim, rebounding better than he did before, rotating well on defense) historic skills. At this size he is unable to do those things well. He doesn’t take charges anymore, is late rotating, his rebounding has slumped. All because he isn’t disciplined enough to stay in shape. If BBD loses 40 lbs and has a weight clause in his contract, and a zip your mouth clause for that matter, then I’d consider him on the cheap. Otherwise don’t let the door hit you on the way out.