Doc River's coaching thread (merged)

[angryguy77]

If Paul Pierce had hit that shot at the end of regulation you’d be begging Doc to stay. 

No, I was cursing him out all series and even more so tonight.

There is no defense for his judgment

[ejk3489]

Doc isn't the reason we lost tonight.

... and neither is Rondo.

KG, maybe.  Lack of rebounding, definitely.

Rondo missed a crucial wide open layup that could have solidified the win. How does he not deserve a good deal of blame?

People miss layups.  Ray missed a FT -- is it his fault we lost? 

Our two worst players tonight were our power forwards.  When KG goes 1-for-10, I think it's hard to assign any large chunk of blame to Rondo.

Ray missed a free throw in the first half. Rondo missed a layup with less than one minute left that would have given the Celtics the lead. How do you equate a first half free throw to a potential game winning layup?

And people miss wide open layup? I would say, in the NBA, very, very, very rarely. In instructional league, yeah, it happens all the time. But in the NBA, not so much.

How about Pierce turning the ball over 3 times in the last 5 minutes of the game (one of them in the last 1.30 min of the game)? Or the missed shot at the end of the game? I'm guessing he doesn't get any of the blame...

Yeah, he might get some blame if he missed a game winning LAYUP. But a 20 foot fall away with LBJ in your face is a pretty tough shot to stick.

The turnovers, yeah those were costly. But Rondo had a clear chance to put the Celtics in great chance to win the game with a layup. No other play in the game was as crucial as that missed layup. Rondo has always been a liability on offense. The game is played both ways.  

Even if Rondo had made the lay up, there is still 1.11 minutes left in the game...NOTHING was guarenteed at the point. It's obvious you just want to put the blame on Rondo, for whatever reason.

[Carhole]

I disagree. Taking Rondo out and running Paul Pierce hero ball instead was bound to kill us.

Are you serious? What more do you want from the guy? He took 4 shots in the 4th and 1 in ot. He differed too much.

Was it hero ball when he kicked to delonte for 3 or the next time down when he kicked it down to ray for 3? The final play, KG and Ray never came, that obviously wasn't the play, you always take PP, and most all right handed shooters, to the right side of the floor.

If everyone came with Pierce's game tonight we win going away.

[CeltsAcumen]

Whats Doc gonna do? 

Go watch his kid get hammered by North Carolina for 2 years?  OH SNAP! 

Ha, even in bad times like these I can still take comfort in busting on the Dukies.

[KungPoweChicken]

I'm not putting the blame on him for "whatever reason." I'm putting the blame on him because he has earned it. Obviously, you don't agree. That's fine. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[GreenEnvy]

Loved Rondo's heart, but we were a better team with DWest out there tonight.

Don't know who to blame.

We let them off the hook tonight.

We should have won.

Now we have to win three game sevens.

[Assassin70]

We lost the game for 1 reason.

KG
KG
KG
KG
KG
KG
KG

P.S  KG

Even on the last play of regulation he bungled it.  Not only did we lose which was bad enough.  Worst part of all this is he gave that wallflower Chris Bosh confidence going in to the next game.  I bet anyone 1000000$ Bosh goes WILD next game.

You think we are going to get a call in MIA next game now that the Lakers are knocked out.

David Stern is going to be pulling strings like one of those Buffalo Wild wings commercials

[Change]

Doc isn't the reason we lost tonight.

... and neither is Rondo.

KG, maybe.  Lack of rebounding, definitely.

Rondo missed a crucial wide open layup that could have solidified the win. How does he not deserve a good deal of blame?

People miss layups.  Ray missed a FT -- is it his fault we lost?  

Our two worst players tonight were our power forwards.  When KG goes 1-for-10, I think it's hard to assign any large chunk of blame to Rondo.

Ray missed a free throw in the first half. Rondo missed a layup with less than one minute left that would have given the Celtics the lead. How do you equate a first half free throw to a potential game winning layup?

And people miss wide open layup? I would say, in the NBA, very, very, very rarely. In instructional league, yeah, it happens all the time. But in the NBA, not so much.

How about Pierce turning the ball over 3 times in the last 5 minutes of the game (one of them in the last 1.30 min of the game)? Or the missed shot at the end of the game? I'm guessing he doesn't get any of the blame...

Yeah, he might get some blame if he missed a game winning LAYUP. But a 20 foot fall away with LBJ in your face is a pretty tough shot to stick.

The turnovers, yeah those were costly. But Rondo had a clear chance to put the Celtics in great chance to win the game with a layup. No other play in the game was as crucial as that missed layup. Rondo has always been a liability on offense. The game is played both ways.  

Even if Rondo had made the lay up, there is still 1.11 minutes left in the game...NOTHING was guarenteed at the point. It's obvious you just want to put the blame on Rondo, for whatever reason.

But he shouldn't be in at that time. So the blame goes to Doc considering how well Delonte West was playing.

[vinnie]

KG was worse than Glen Davis tonight on the offensive end. That is all you need to know about this game and why the Celtics lost. It is incomprehensible that he could have stunk up the joint as badly as he did.

[vinnie]

What is Doc going to do with the bench Danny gave him: An over the hill, 39-year-old center who can't move, a 6' 9" power/small forward from OKC who is afraid of his shadow most of the time, a backup center who was starting in OKC who is not good enough to see the floor here, a 400-pound, out-of-shape power forward/center who seems to have forgotten how to play the game, and Delonte, who has been great.

Sorry -- this crap is all on Danny, not Doc.

[pengaloo]

I disagree. Taking Rondo out and running Paul Pierce hero ball instead was bound to kill us.

Are you serious? What more do you want from the guy? He took 4 shots in the 4th and 1 in ot. He differed too much.

Was it hero ball when he kicked to delonte for 3 or the next time down when he kicked it down to ray for 3? The final play, KG and Ray never came, that obviously wasn't the play, you always take PP, and most all right handed shooters, to the right side of the floor.

If everyone came with Pierce's game tonight we win going away.

Pretty much the entire second half of the game, we had Paul Pierce handling the ball and Rondo playing off the ball. If Rondo's not going to handle the ball (even with one arm), we can't utilize his decision making, his passing - he might as well be on the bench. We ended up with Paul Pierce turnovers, isos, and broken plays. I'm not blaming Pierce. I just don't think Doc utilized his players well.

[gpap]

Thanks Doc, for being an ignorant, stubborn and incompetent coach.

You didn't a play any center for most of the second half.
Your love affair with Glen Davis cost us.
And most of all, that half as* stupid play you called at the end of regulation cost us as well.

Anyone want to know Danny's biggest mistake in the last 12 months? It was begging Doc to come back and coach this team instead of offering the job to Thibedou.

And now my heart is broken and will be all summer long.
Thanks Doc...thanks for nothing.

[wdleehi]

After he went small with 9:55 left in the 4th, the Heat outscored the Celtics 27 to 17.




Celtics went small which allowed Miami to go small easily.  Miami small is better then Celtics small. 



Celtic big is better then Miami.

[ejk3489]

Doc isn't the reason we lost tonight.

... and neither is Rondo.

KG, maybe.  Lack of rebounding, definitely.

Rondo missed a crucial wide open layup that could have solidified the win. How does he not deserve a good deal of blame?

People miss layups.  Ray missed a FT -- is it his fault we lost?  

Our two worst players tonight were our power forwards.  When KG goes 1-for-10, I think it's hard to assign any large chunk of blame to Rondo.

Ray missed a free throw in the first half. Rondo missed a layup with less than one minute left that would have given the Celtics the lead. How do you equate a first half free throw to a potential game winning layup?

And people miss wide open layup? I would say, in the NBA, very, very, very rarely. In instructional league, yeah, it happens all the time. But in the NBA, not so much.

How about Pierce turning the ball over 3 times in the last 5 minutes of the game (one of them in the last 1.30 min of the game)? Or the missed shot at the end of the game? I'm guessing he doesn't get any of the blame...

Yeah, he might get some blame if he missed a game winning LAYUP. But a 20 foot fall away with LBJ in your face is a pretty tough shot to stick.

The turnovers, yeah those were costly. But Rondo had a clear chance to put the Celtics in great chance to win the game with a layup. No other play in the game was as crucial as that missed layup. Rondo has always been a liability on offense. The game is played both ways.  

Even if Rondo had made the lay up, there is still 1.11 minutes left in the game...NOTHING was guarenteed at the point. It's obvious you just want to put the blame on Rondo, for whatever reason.

But he shouldn't be in at that time. So the blame goes to Doc considering how well Delonte West was playing.

Yeah but wasn't Delonte playing? I don't know, I don't really see the big deal. He missed an easy lay in, which sucks, but if it had gone in he would be considered a hero.

[vinnie]

What is Doc going to do with the bench Danny gave him: An over the hill, 39-year-old center who can't move, a 6' 9" power/small forward from OKC who is afraid of his shadow most of the time, a backup center who was starting in OKC who is not good enough to see the floor here, a 400-pound, out-of-shape power forward/center who seems to have forgotten how to play the game, and Delonte, who has been great.

Sorry -- this crap is all on Danny, not Doc.