KG, Rondo = All Defensive first team

[PosImpos]

Wade is a much better defender than Kobe.

[BballTim]

  I might have missed someone but the only point guards besides Rondo to have multiple first team selections in their first 5 years in the league were Walt Frazier, Kidd and Payton. Frazier was the only other pg to do it by Rondo's age. Rondo's also finished 2nd in the voting twice in a row, and it looks like he's the only pg to finish in the top 3 since at least 2002.

  Edit: Oops! Add DJ to the list of players with multiple fist team selections in their first 5 years...

[Greenbean]

Glad KG is getting the credit he deserves for returning to his 07-08 form on defense and defensive rebounding sepcifically.

The guy is still a 7 foot spiderman when it comes to playing team defense. He doesnt block 2 shots a night anymore but his impact runs far deeper. He also had his best defensive rebounding rate in all four years as a celtic this season...at 35. Bravo indeed.

[mgent]

I didn't know Kobe made flashy blocks. At least I know I'm on a Celtics website when people don't think Kobe's deserving of 1st-defensive team.  But, I do wonder if the advanced defense stats actually support someone else or not....

If you're talking about my post I was referring to LeBron, I didn't feel the need to spell that out because I think it's obvious Kobe isn't a 1st team defensive player, heck even if he did make flashy blocks.

[Boris Badenov]

TA's performance in the playoffs has set him up for a 1st team selection next year, if he replicates his regular season.

Wouldn't it be great if he were the one to knock Kobe off the 1st team!

I mean, except for the part about how would would still have him AND Perkins if we'd re-signed him...

[Jon]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

Now that's not to say he's a bad defender.  However, if we are going to take shots at Kobe, Rondo probably deserves some criticism.  

Reciprocally, I don't think KG gets enough attention.  To me, KG is the defensive player of the year every year no matter what numbers Howard puts up.  Howard has the gaudy stats, but KG gives the results.  

[kozlodoev]

Some coach voted Keith Bogans for the first-team all-defense. Really  

[kozlodoev]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

Now that's not to say he's a bad defender.  However, if we are going to take shots at Kobe, Rondo probably deserves some criticism.  

Reciprocally, I don't think KG gets enough attention.  To me, KG is the defensive player of the year every year no matter what numbers Howard puts up.  Howard has the gaudy stats, but KG gives the results.  

Maybe, but what's the alternative among PGs? Paul and Rose and the next two vote-getters, and they are not better than Rondo.

[RajonRondOWNED]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

Now that's not to say he's a bad defender.  However, if we are going to take shots at Kobe, Rondo probably deserves some criticism.  

Reciprocally, I don't think KG gets enough attention.  To me, KG is the defensive player of the year every year no matter what numbers Howard puts up.  Howard has the gaudy stats, but KG gives the results.  

Maybe, but what's the alternative among PGs? Paul and Rose and the next two vote-getters, and they are not better than Rondo.

First teams are by Guard/Forward/Center. It doesn't have to be a PG.

Rondo is still a much better defender than the alternatives.

[Jon]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

Now that's not to say he's a bad defender.  However, if we are going to take shots at Kobe, Rondo probably deserves some criticism.  

Reciprocally, I don't think KG gets enough attention.  To me, KG is the defensive player of the year every year no matter what numbers Howard puts up.  Howard has the gaudy stats, but KG gives the results.  

Maybe, but what's the alternative among PGs? Paul and Rose and the next two vote-getters, and they are not better than Rondo.

First teams are by Guard/Forward/Center. It doesn't have to be a PG.

Rondo is still a much better defender than the alternatives.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rondo and think he's a great defender.  But there are times in the game when he lets mediocre point guards go off because he doesn't stay home on them.  And I'm not sure that a true top 5 NBA defender does that (though I realize that these lists are often partially popularity contests).  

In his defense, he also causes havoc while roaming and some of getting back to his man may be fatigue given how much Doc plays him sometimes.  

My larger point is that I thought Rondo was slightly overrated as a defender and Garnett (despite the credit he gets) slightly underrated.  

[Marcus13]

but since were on the topic...Id take Bogut over KG or Chandler any day of the week

[RajonRondOWNED]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

Now that's not to say he's a bad defender.  However, if we are going to take shots at Kobe, Rondo probably deserves some criticism.  

Reciprocally, I don't think KG gets enough attention.  To me, KG is the defensive player of the year every year no matter what numbers Howard puts up.  Howard has the gaudy stats, but KG gives the results.  

Maybe, but what's the alternative among PGs? Paul and Rose and the next two vote-getters, and they are not better than Rondo.

First teams are by Guard/Forward/Center. It doesn't have to be a PG.

Rondo is still a much better defender than the alternatives.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rondo and think he's a great defender.  But there are times in the game when he lets mediocre point guards go off because he doesn't stay home on them.  And I'm not sure that a true top 5 NBA defender does that (though I realize that these lists are often partially popularity contests).  

In his defense, he also causes havoc while roaming and some of getting back to his man may be fatigue given how much Doc plays him sometimes.  

My larger point is that I thought Rondo was slightly overrated as a defender and Garnett (despite the credit he gets) slightly underrated.  

But who would you put over Rondo? Paul does virtually nothing except play the passing lanes.

[Who]

but since were on the topic...Id take Bogut over KG or Chandler any day of the week

I would have picked Andrew Bogut over Joakim Noah. Not enough games from Noah, only 48 games, versus 65 for Bogut. Bogut was also a more pivotal figure to Milwaukee's defense than Noah was to Chicago's.

Move Tyson Chandler to the PF spot. Then have Gerald Wallace, D-Wade and Kobe Bryant as the three perimeter guys. That was my second team.

[BballTim]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

  When I checked opponent's stats in March Rondo held opponents to a lower efg%, fewer rebounds, fewer assists, a lower PER and a fewer points per possession than any other starting point guard in the league. He's also as good as you'll see at denying the ball when players try and pass to the guy he's guarding.

  The fact that Rondo was hampered much of the year with foot/hamstring issues and (for whatever reason) had most of a month of bad play late in the season and was *still* able to easily get the most votes of any pg is fairly impressive.

[BballTim]

To be honest, I do think that Rondo might be a little overvalued as a defender.  He's arguably the greatest "stealer" in the NBA; however, his willingness to roam often lets his man get easy looks.  

Now that's not to say he's a bad defender.  However, if we are going to take shots at Kobe, Rondo probably deserves some criticism.  

Reciprocally, I don't think KG gets enough attention.  To me, KG is the defensive player of the year every year no matter what numbers Howard puts up.  Howard has the gaudy stats, but KG gives the results.  

Maybe, but what's the alternative among PGs? Paul and Rose and the next two vote-getters, and they are not better than Rondo.

First teams are by Guard/Forward/Center. It doesn't have to be a PG.

Rondo is still a much better defender than the alternatives.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rondo and think he's a great defender.  But there are times in the game when he lets mediocre point guards go off because he doesn't stay home on them.  And I'm not sure that a true top 5 NBA defender does that (though I realize that these lists are often partially popularity contests).  

  I think that you'd find a surprisingly small number of games that mediocre point guards go off on Rondo and more games where they go off on other point guards. And it may or may not be a popularity contest but the voters are the nba coaches.