Pau Gasol's realistic trade value

[Who]

How about Ron Artest for Marvin Williams?

[Who]

How old is Pau by the way?

Pau is 30 years old. Turns 31 at the beginning of next season.

[Who]

Gasol for Bosh I could see. Not Bynum. The Lakers are betting their future on him, for good reason. Despite his boneheadedness yesterday, he is very young, talented and productive.  Bosh would probably do well in the triangle offense, and thrive next to a true center like Bynum.  Not sure Kobe would endorse the trade, though, as Bosh lacks heart.

I would try to trade Bynum for Bosh instead of Gasol.

I think LA would be very difficult to defend with three mobile skilled big men like Gasol, Bosh and Odom. That would be a nightmare to defend against. Their speed and quickness, the passing ability within the Triangle and the scoring. Very tough to matchup against.

I think that advantage is more valuable than what Bynum brings to the mix -- a prototypical center who gives them a defensive anchor and low post muscle.

[StartOrien]

What about Iguodala, Lou Williams and a #1 for Bynum and Shannon Brown? Would make for an awfully pretty triangle offense if you could get Iguodala to play a complimentary role (I've always insisted he could).

[Who]

I don't understand the point in LA trading Gasol for Bosh. Bosh is the inferior player. He is a bit younger but he also makes them worse.

It also continues their current setup. The three player big man rotation. The lack of speed / offensive ability on the perimeter. Very little change. Makes their starting lineup even easier to defend in the halfcourt due to Bosh's lack of a true post game.

I don't understand making a trade like that.

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It would be a great trade for Miami though.

They can put Gasol at center. Gives them a low post option offensively. Extra shooter and speed on the court by slotting in Haslem at the four. Superior spacing and offensive balance. Opens the game up more for their slashers LeBron and Wade.

Beautiful offensive team and still a very good defensive + rebounding squad.

[Who]

What about Iguodala, Lou Williams and a #1 for Bynum and Shannon Brown? Would make for an awfully pretty triangle offense if you could get Iguodala to play a complimentary role (I've always insisted he could).

I'd consider trading Bynum for Iggy if Dwight Howard was acquired. And I think Phily would jump at the chance to move Iguodala for a legit big man.

Otherwise, without Dwight, I wouldn't consider a move like this.

If the Lakers go smaller (no Bynum), I think they need more of an upgrade offensively (than Iggy provides) to make it work. I'd rather someone like Carmelo Anthony (go-to scorer) than a player who's primary value is his non-scoring contributions (Iggy).

[nickagneta]

Rumors swirling are that Gasol has to go due to locker room problems with Kobe(thing about Kobe's wife breaking up Gasol and his girlfriend). If there are rumors in the media already and people look at the lack of passing and communication between Gasol and Kobe on the court, it won't be long before every GM in the league KNOWS LA HAS to move Gasol and will only be offering the Lakers 30 cents on the dollar for Gasol.

It just might take a Bynum and Gasol package to land Howard and that's with filler going back LA's way and picks going back Orlando's way. And, I still don't see it happening.

[Chris]

What about Iguodala, Lou Williams and a #1 for Bynum and Shannon Brown? Would make for an awfully pretty triangle offense if you could get Iguodala to play a complimentary role (I've always insisted he could).

I'd consider trading Bynum for Iggy if Dwight Howard was acquired. And I think Phily would jump at the chance to move Iguodala for a legit big man.

Otherwise, without Dwight, I wouldn't consider a move like this.

If the Lakers go smaller (no Bynum), I think they need more of an upgrade offensively (than Iggy provides) to make it work. I'd rather someone like Carmelo Anthony (go-to scorer) than a player who's primary value is his non-scoring contributions (Iggy).

Yeah, I don't like Iggy in their system.  To be effective, he really needs to be running a point forward type position, and he is not a good enough shooter to play off the ball with Kobe.  

Honestly, I think the only guys they are going to consider trading Bynum or Gasol for are Howard or Paul.  Beyond that, I think they wait it out, tweak the roster a bit, and go into next season as once again, the favorites to come out of the West, and have an extra month of rest.  

Then, if things go south against next year, they can go after Paul and Howard in the summer of 2012 in a sign and trade.  

[MBunge]

When talking about trading Bynum, especially in a deal for Howard, you have to consider that Bynum has never averaged more than 31 minutes a game in the regular season or more than 32 minutes a game during the playoffs.  That is a remarkably light work load for a player of his supposed abilities and he still has consistently broken down under it.  Any GM who thinks he can trade for Bynum and start playing him 36+ minutes a night should be fired before he can ever pick up the phone and call LA.

Mike

[pearljammer10]

I don't think Bynum has damaged his trade value at all.

He did something stupid, everyone agrees on this, that is all and that is where it ends.

I do. Personally i dont think his trade value is very high to begin with. He has had one season where he has played 82 games... that was five years ago... his games played totals are; 46, 82, 35, 50, 65, and 54. Thats 331 games out of a possible 492 games, and thats just the regular season. He can't stay healthy. Yeah he is still crazy young and has tons of potential, but what if he keeps being injury plauged. After all the injuries and surgeries he has faced so far his knees are only going to get worse not better. He averaged 11 and 9 with 2 blocks this year as a starter... Pretty average.

This post season, when his team needed someone to step up and take charge in a leadership role; Bynum called out teammates for having trust issues and then pulls this stunt on Barea. He should get a 10 game suspension to start next season. I don't really see people calling the Lakers dying the have Bynum, they are just going to sit back and see what the Lakers will take in return to get rid of him.

[StartOrien]

What about Iguodala, Lou Williams and a #1 for Bynum and Shannon Brown? Would make for an awfully pretty triangle offense if you could get Iguodala to play a complimentary role (I've always insisted he could).

I'd consider trading Bynum for Iggy if Dwight Howard was acquired. And I think Phily would jump at the chance to move Iguodala for a legit big man.

Otherwise, without Dwight, I wouldn't consider a move like this.

If the Lakers go smaller (no Bynum), I think they need more of an upgrade offensively (than Iggy provides) to make it work. I'd rather someone like Carmelo Anthony (go-to scorer) than a player who's primary value is his non-scoring contributions (Iggy).

Yeah, I don't like Iggy in their system.  To be effective, he really needs to be running a point forward type position, and he is not a good enough shooter to play off the ball with Kobe.  

Honestly, I think the only guys they are going to consider trading Bynum or Gasol for are Howard or Paul.  Beyond that, I think they wait it out, tweak the roster a bit, and go into next season as once again, the favorites to come out of the West, and have an extra month of rest.  

Then, if things go south against next year, they can go after Paul and Howard in the summer of 2012 in a sign and trade.  

His shooting definitely leaves something to be desired, but  don't you think his slashing and passing abilities make up for that? Particularly when Lou Williams, Kobe and Gasol are all capable of stretching the d?

[CeltsAcumen]

Gasol will not be traded, he is Kobe's boy.  No way, no how. Plus Gasol is owed $54 million, not an ideal trade situation. Bynum, well he just went through the Manny Ramirez cycle in Los Angeles.  People hate him on the talk radio this morning.  Bynum will get moved.  Maybe for Chris Paul.

I highly doubt Dwight Howard will be a Laker.  What do the Magic get from this deal?  Bynum?  Well, his stock ain't that great right about now and he is owed a bunch of money, $15.2 a year until 2014.  Salary cap relief?  Lakers have $84 million locked up through 2013, so that isn't gonna happen either.

Lakers might get Rudy Gay or Chris Paul, but I doubt it.  In truth the Lakers are in a lot of trouble with Phil leaving, Kobe showing his age, Bynum being a degenerate and everyone else getting a year older.

[StartOrien]

I highly doubt Dwight Howard will be a Laker.  What do the Magic get from this deal?  Bynum?  Well, his stock ain't that great right about now and he is owed a bunch of money, $15.2 a year until 2014.  Salary cap relief?  Lakers have $84 million locked up through 2013, so that isn't gonna happen either.

Insurance that they don't lose their star center for nothing.

Rudy Gay would be a good fit for the Lakers, but the Grizzlies amazingly don't really have a fit for any of the Laker bigs.

[Chris]

What about Iguodala, Lou Williams and a #1 for Bynum and Shannon Brown? Would make for an awfully pretty triangle offense if you could get Iguodala to play a complimentary role (I've always insisted he could).

I'd consider trading Bynum for Iggy if Dwight Howard was acquired. And I think Phily would jump at the chance to move Iguodala for a legit big man.

Otherwise, without Dwight, I wouldn't consider a move like this.

If the Lakers go smaller (no Bynum), I think they need more of an upgrade offensively (than Iggy provides) to make it work. I'd rather someone like Carmelo Anthony (go-to scorer) than a player who's primary value is his non-scoring contributions (Iggy).

Yeah, I don't like Iggy in their system.  To be effective, he really needs to be running a point forward type position, and he is not a good enough shooter to play off the ball with Kobe.  

Honestly, I think the only guys they are going to consider trading Bynum or Gasol for are Howard or Paul.  Beyond that, I think they wait it out, tweak the roster a bit, and go into next season as once again, the favorites to come out of the West, and have an extra month of rest.  

Then, if things go south against next year, they can go after Paul and Howard in the summer of 2012 in a sign and trade.  

His shooting definitely leaves something to be desired, but  don't you think his slashing and passing abilities make up for that? Particularly when Lou Williams, Kobe and Gasol are all capable of stretching the d?

His slashing does not make up for the loss of Bynum's presence inside on both ends of the floor...and Williams doesn't do much for me.  

I just think a Lakers team that solidifies the PG spot with an MLE signing this year, or a more minor trade, and still has Bynum and Gasol (with the ability to trade one or both of them for Howard when he becomes available) is much more dangerous than one with just Gasol up front, and Igoudala either hanging around in no mans land, or keeping the ball out of Kobe and Gasol's hands.

[KG Living Legend]

Pau Gasol is a top 15 player in this league. Generally considered a top 5 big man. Is only 30 years old and could easily have 4-5 more years at an All-NBA level.

He is a hugely valuable asset to any team that wants to win in the immediate + short term future.

 I was a big Gasol fan.

 There is no way this year he is a top fifteen player.

 Can't remember the last time I've seen a player fall that fast in one year.

 He lost all the drive he had, after last year winning his 2nd title.