C.Paul and D.Howard first round exits

[RebusRankin]

I'd trade Rondo, BBD, the pick and filler for Paul and West.

[snively]

Rondo + additional young talent for CP3 would resemble a riskier version of the KG deal.  The gap between Rondo and CP3 is far smaller than it was between KG and Big Al, but then again, CP3 is much younger than KG was.  But keeping CP3 would be difficult without securing another youngish star to complement him. Remember, the key barrier in acquiring KG was having enough for him to work with once he came here (hence the Ray deal).  CP3 would get one year of the old big 3 and then he might want to leave.

As for Howard, I see him waiting for free agency.  Bynum and some late 1st round picks is a terrible deal.  Not only does Bynum's injury history raise major red flags for any team looking to him as a foundational building block, but even healthy, he's a lesser player than Howard and he'll probably cost about as much to retain.  Brook Lopez isn't even half the player Bynum is, so I can't imagine him tempting the Magic brass. 

I worry that NY will land Paul in free agency.  CP3, Melo and Amare (if healthy) would be a very potent team, a more dangerous version of the Suns teams of the last decade. Here's hoping the Melo/Amare deals will be cap-killers in the new CBA.

[barefacedmonk]

Orlando Magic President of Basketball Operations Otis Smith said Friday that the organization has offered superstar center Dwight Howard a contract extension, but Howard said he hasn't seen it.

"The extension is on the table," Smith said.

That extension is for two seasons, the longest possible extension the team can offer Howard before July 1.

When asked about the contract extension Smith referred to, Howard responded, "I haven't seen a contract."

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[twinbree]

Neither of them is getting traded here. There's no way Chris Paul is signing an extension here if we trade Rondo and our pick unless he's colluding with Howard to team up in Boston. The Big 3 are going to retire soon and he could be stuck with Hornets 2.0

IMO it makes more sense to recruit Dwight Howard to sign here as a free agent (preferably after learning to watch those elbows). Rondo is signed on a reasonable contract meaning more flexibility to build a good roster. Then we have our Clippers pick and maybe Green and Bradley which is a nice young core.

Doesn't matter how dominant a player is you win with a team in the playoffs so I'm not interested in trading Rondo for Paul. Paul is not going to keep us contending on his own. Rondo and Howard (abysmal free throw shooting and all) could keep us elite. It's pipe dream but stranger things have happened.

[droopdog7]

If you're Orlando, why do you want Bynum? Injury prone, bad knees, good but not an all-star. The picks are useless. Now I'd rather take Lopez et all for NJ or package from the clippers centered around Kaman, Bledsoe and picks.

While injury prone, bynum is still considerable more palatable than Lopez.  I pretty much think lopez sucks.  He is of the softest big men I have seen and basically plays no defense.

Bynum at least, has shown he can be dominant.  If I am Orl, the choice between those two is easy , even with bynum's injury history.

[PosImpos]

I hope Howard goes to NJ.  He and Deron would be a truly awesome combination.  Plus, when the Celtics become irrelevant in a couple years I can still cheer for an Atlantic division team with a chance at a title.

If Howard goes to the Lakers, you can pretty much just give up on any other team winning for quite some time.  He, Pau, and Lamar would be an unstoppable combo for years, even once Kobe is half the player he is now.

Only the Heat could compete with them, but they'd need to get an actual supporting cast.

[soap07]

1.  Paul's regular season WAS NOT the best year of any PG in the league.  Not even close.

Please point out one that was better.


He led all point guards in WS/48 and PER.

Compared to Rose: He had a better TS%, more assists, more steals, less turnovers and was a better rebounder.

Compared to Rondo: Obviously a better TS% and while he averaged 1.4 less assists, averaged about 5 more points a game...without having three Hall of Famers to throw to. Rondo is a better rebounder for sure. Paul had a huge edge in turnover percentage (24.3 to 13.9) Paul also had more steals.

Compared to Deron: Williams scored 20 ppg to Paul's 15.8 - but Paul had a better TS% - (.578 to .566). Williams also averaged more assists and had a better turnover percentage. Paul was a better rebounder and had more steals. So basically, in this case, the sabremetric stats favor Paul. Williams averaged more points and assists but didn't shoot as efficiently, get the steals, or rebound as well as Paul.

I won't bother with the Westbrook's and Nash's of the world.


The only point guard in the same league as Paul this year was Deron - and I still think Paul is better.

[action781]

I don't know why this is so hard for other posters to see.  Rondo really isn't in Paul's league. 

Pre-injury, Paul was clearly better than Rondo.  If you can guarantee that Paul gets back to that level, you absolutely make the deal.  The Chris Paul who played this year, both regular season and in the playoffs, was nowhere close to being worth both Rondo and the Clippers pick.

Mike

The LAC pick is not that incredible of an asset.  It's a top 10 protected pick, which could be a good player, could not be.  If CP is "nowhere near being close" to Rondo and the LAC pick, then I'm assuming you find CP and Rondo equal.  I think that is ridiculous.

Chris Paul led a garbage Hornets team to 46 wins.  Rondo led a team so superior that words can't adequately describe to 56 wins.  Why does nobody see what more impressive job CP did than Rondo?  If Rondo were on that team instead of CP, I'm confident that it does not make the playoffs.  I'm also confident that NO team gets swept by LAL.

Why can other people not envision this?  We won't have a team full of HOF'ers in a few years.  We will need a pg who can do more with less.  That is CP and not Rondo.

I mean look at this.  WORST CASE SCENARIO with Chris Paul:  He has this "down year" that people are talking about this season with a crappy supporting cast.  Result:  46 wins.  I can live with that.  I cannot live with the worst case scenario with Rondo being a guy who cannot carry a team full of role players and end up missing the playoffs.

[xmuscularghandix]

What if the Heat traded Chris Bosh to ORL for Dwight Howard?

[JoeScribe]

I'd trade Rondo, BBD, the pick and filler for Paul and West.

You don't want to be anywhere near Chris Paul long term. Would you deal for Brandon Roy right now with that knee? No. And that's Chris Paul in a year. His knee is a disaster and it's sad.

[JoeScribe]

Bynum and picks could get it done

Why in the world would Orlando deal a ham sandwich to LA for Bynum's knees?! Geriatric Shaq has played more games than young Bynum over the past few years. Bynum's career won't last much longer.

[JoeScribe]

I would hope that Danny would work a trade for Paul involving Rondo and the Clippers 2012 pick.

Totally not worth it. Rondo is as good or better imo. We should build around him with a great scorer, maybe with the clippers pick, and a defensive center like Howard. Paul also has a lot of injury history for a guy his age.

Chris Paul is the best point guard in the league by a wide margin. He is 25-years-old, only a year older than Rondo. His injury problems didn't slow him down at all this year, considering he still had one of his best years and certainly the best year of any point guard. I love Rondo too, but let's be realistic - he's not in Paul's league.

I'd rather have Deron Williams than Chris Paul. Deron's bigger, tougher and his knee isn't trashed.

[ElChe]

the bigger question is how will we afford it

  agree with that...

[Birdmanbr]

Ok, Paul could be better, but you guys are serious in even CONSIDER trading Rondo??

C'mon, that is the guy we should build around!!!

[JBcat]

Here is my fantasy Chris Paul and Dwight Howard 3 team trade.  With Chris Paul's injury concerns and maybe of a down season I think it could be almost of a straight up deal with Rondo.  I think NO would love to cut as much salary as possible.   Orlando, if rumors are true, would like a starting caliber center in return like a Lopez or Bynum along with picks.   So how about this?

New Orleans
Send
Chris Paul $14.9M, Emaka Okafer $11.5M
Receive
Rajon Rondo $9.1M, A. Bradley $1.4M, Marquis Daniels $2.4M trade exception, Erden and Harongody total about $1M trade exception, Gortat $6.3M trade exception, R Lewis $1.8M trade exception

Orlando
Send
Dwight Howard $16.6M, Gortat $6.3M trade exception, R Lewis $1.8M trade exception
Receive
Okafer $11.5M, Jeff Green, $4.5M, J. O'Neal $5.8M, maybe a S & T with Davis , Clippers first round pick, 1 or 2 more of our own picks.  

Boston
Send
Rondo $9.1M, Daniels, Erden, Harongody trade exceptions $3.4M, Bradley $1.4M, Green $4.5M, J. O'Neal $5.8M, possibly Davis, 2 or 3 draft picks including the Clippers pick.
Receive
Dwight Howard $16.6M, Chris Paul $14.9M

NO would save roughly $10M in those trade exceptions and I'm heard they are desperate to cut salary.  They get out of Okafer's 4 remaining years at a steep price.  They get a comparable player to Paul in Rondo as well as our first rounder last year in Bradley.

Orlando would get a solid starting center under contract for another 4 years and some nice young players in Green, Davis, that Clippers pick, maybe some of our own, an expiring contract in J O'Neal.  I don't know if they could do that much better dealing with NJ or the Lakers.