Jeff Green a great and crucial team player. Why don't more people see this?

[jowwwman]

This guy  Green is way overated by many members on this board. When he isn't scoring well you bring up his "intangibles", or his potential. The guy was brought in to provide offense off the bench and give the starters a rest. (which he has yet to do)
 He is below average to even most bench players in whatever he brings outside of scoring. When he's not scoring Jeff Green is useless and the C's are playing 4 on 5.

The potential is so overplayed its making me sick. what good is potential and versatility if he can't bring it during a big game. If Jeff Green really has all star potential why doesn't anyone else but delusional celtics fans think he was a good trade?

[thirstyboots18]

Because he came with a center and an early draft pick?  Danny has been pretty lucky with his late picks...lets see what he can do...

[kozlodoev]

This guy  Green is way overated by many members on this board. When he isn't scoring well you bring up his "intangibles", or his potential. The guy was brought in to provide offense off the bench and give the starters a rest. (which he has yet to do)
 He is below average to even most bench players in whatever he brings outside of scoring. When he's not scoring Jeff Green is useless and the C's are playing 4 on 5.

The potential is so overplayed its making me sick. what good is potential and versatility if he can't bring it during a big game. If Jeff Green really has all star potential why doesn't anyone else but delusional celtics fans think he was a good trade?

Gee, it's so good there is someone to let us know about "this guy Green".

For starters, when he isn't playing defense or rebounding, "that guy Perkins" is also quite useless.

Then, I don't remember anyone talking about "potential" when discussing Green. He's 25 and has been in the league for 4 seasons. What you see is what you get. The question is can he adjust and be a consistent contributor with the Celtics. He responded quite well when he was inserted in the starting lineup, but unfortunately that's not on the table right now.

As for why no-one but Celtics fans likes the trade -- first, this isn't necessarily true. And second, every time you acquire a major piece of a team that's had success in the past, that gets tabbed as a good trade. Perkins, however, is the quintessential "system guy", and while he fits nicely both with the Celtics and the Thunder, the Celtics will quite soon need to add more critical pieces to the fold. So unlike the Thunder, they can't afford the luxury to resign him for multiple years, since having major cap space locked up into Rondo, Perkins, and a 35-year-old Paul Pierce is not exactly a stellar core.

My best guess? Look for them to make a major run at Dwight Howard a year from now.

[thirstyboots18]

This guy  Green is way overated by many members on this board. When he isn't scoring well you bring up his "intangibles", or his potential. The guy was brought in to provide offense off the bench and give the starters a rest. (which he has yet to do)
 He is below average to even most bench players in whatever he brings outside of scoring. When he's not scoring Jeff Green is useless and the C's are playing 4 on 5.

The potential is so overplayed its making me sick. what good is potential and versatility if he can't bring it during a big game. If Jeff Green really has all star potential why doesn't anyone else but delusional celtics fans think he was a good trade?

Gee, it's so good there is someone to let us know about "this guy Green".

For starters, when he isn't playing defense or rebounding, "that guy Perkins" is also quite useless.

Then, I don't remember anyone talking about "potential" when discussing Green. He's 25 and has been in the league for 4 seasons. What you see is what you get. The question is can he adjust and be a consistent contributor with the Celtics. He responded quite well when he was inserted in the starting lineup, but unfortunately that's not on the table right now.

As for why no-one but Celtics fans likes the trade -- first, this isn't necessarily true. And second, every time you acquire a major piece of a team that's had success in the past, that gets tabbed as a good trade. Perkins, however, is the quintessential "system guy", and while he fits nicely both with the Celtics and the Thunder, the Celtics will quite soon need to add more critical pieces to the fold. So unlike the Thunder, they can't afford the luxury to resign him for multiple years, since having major cap space locked up into Rondo, Perkins, and a 35-year-old Paul Pierce is not exactly a stellar core.

My best guess? Look for them to make a major run at Dwight Howard a year from now.

Anyway, thanks for playing.

"Anyway, thanks for playing"?  Just a little bit condescending, no?

[kozlodoev]

"Anyway, thanks for playing"?  Just a little bit condescending, no?

Probably. I guess I just don't like being lumped in with the "delusional Celtics fans".

edit: There, fixed now

[Celticsfan336]

Jeff Green provides versatility, and although he hasnt been palying up to half of his abilities, he is still the most versitile bench player in the league. He is a quicker, more mobile, athletic version of Lamar Odom

I'm not sure that I agree with that.  Versatility implies the ability to do multiple things well.  Honestly, I'm not sure that Green has a single skill that is above-average.  His scoring is about average, and his passing and rebounding are below par.

Well, he is versatile in the sense that he can post up a 3, go by a 4,  shoot an excellent mid range shot, shoot an average 3 and make smart decisions with the ball, he does have a high IQ. You can pose the argument that he is not above average at the starting 3 position yet, but off the bench he is far superior to 95% of backup 3's and is a real asset to have I think and hope we will all appreciate. And as we talked about in the other thread, he has defensive versatility if the matchup is right. He is an above rebounder at the 3 position, balls just havent been falling his way.

Except in this round, he will be facing a SF that is bigger and stronger then him and a PF that is a quick PF. 


His mismatch advantages are not so great in this series. 

Yes, but the optimist (me) will look at it this way. Not to many back up 3's can stay with Lebron, even relatively. Im not saying green can, but I think he has a better chance than any other 3's.

Also, he may not have the "mistmatch advantages," but he can create them. When Green is on the floor with Pierce, which is usually for atleast 10+ minutes a game, the Heat have no one that can cover both of them, and I expect Doc to make great use of this. Granted, when he is on the floor with ray, the heat may have the upper hand...but Green can provide solid SF defense on lebron that not many backups can.

[vinnie]

if Jeff Green creates anything against Miami, it will be the first time I have seen him create anything since he got to Boston.

[thirstyboots18]

This guy  Green is way overated by many members on this board. When he isn't scoring well you bring up his "intangibles", or his potential. The guy was brought in to provide offense off the bench and give the starters a rest. (which he has yet to do)
 He is below average to even most bench players in whatever he brings outside of scoring. When he's not scoring Jeff Green is useless and the C's are playing 4 on 5.

The potential is so overplayed its making me sick. what good is potential and versatility if he can't bring it during a big game. If Jeff Green really has all star potential why doesn't anyone else but delusional celtics fans think he was a good trade?

And, this guy, Green, is way underrated by some members of this blog.  He was brougt in to learn defense off the bench and get rebounds, giving starters a rest.  This he has done.  Is he a star?  Not now, but he is performing a service that is needed by this team...and his offense may be required in future matchups.  Jeff Green has been a starter, and is learning a new role as relief off the bench.  So far he has improved in confidence with each game.

[jowwwman]

if Jeff Green creates anything against Miami, it will be the first time I have seen him create anything since he got to Boston.

Great job creating open looks for James Jones and the Miami shooters today. Forget Lebron and Dwade, Jeff Green for MVP of the heat!

[PosImpos]

I'm just about ready to give up on Jeff Green.  He isn't ready for this moment.  He needs to be a top player on a bad team for a while.

[Celticsfan336]

I'm just about ready to give up on Jeff Green.  He isn't ready for this moment.  He needs to be a top player on a bad team for a while.

agreed. im an optimist and i like green but he is not helping out team

[Jim on MV]

Why?  Because he blows.

[Senninsage]

Celtics did not lose this game tonight because of Jeff Green, not at all. We made some key mistakes, namely some of Pierce's fumbled possessions early in the game, and there were calls that led to Pierce's ejection, and the absolutely terrible Flagrant call on Jermaine O'neal.

Green did not cost the team this game, not one bit. He had bad possessions, he missed shots, but who didn't in this game? The Celtics were within striking distance multiple times, on huge runs, and the some major calls decided this one.

[jowwwman]

He didn't rebound. He let his man james jones ( who he was supposed to abuse because of his matchup favor) get hot and abuse the C's. He missed all his shots and made some stupid turnovers in the second quarter that caused the C's to be down by so much going into the 2nd half.

What is your definition of jeff green losing a game for the celtics? going 1-15 from the field and turning the ball over repeatedly in the fourth quarter causing the C's to lose by 1 point. No you are right he didn't contribute to the C's losing. but if we had an all star talent like james jones instead of green we would very well have a 1-0 lead.

[jowwwman]

Also I don't think its a coincidence that our bench has been horrible since the trade for green. say what you want about nate and his poor shooting this season, the chemistry was much better when he was on the bench than with Jeff "i don't wanna be here" green on it.