No denying it now ,the trade was/is too much of a risk(sorry DA)

[stylo617617]

its not so much the players its the risk danny is taking he put us in a shaq or bust situation... i think if shaq plays we'll win IF when b4 if perkins was till here with another back up whoever it was there would be no if's


once again not the players its the risk danny;s taken

dear shaq,
 we need you big fella one last run in the hall of famer legs to end your legacy ona  championship note we know u have it in you

go celtics!!! bring the title back home

[Rondo9dunx]

I think Pavlovic could be just as effective as Jeff Green, so in hindsight i'm gonna have to say this trade was a bad idea in regards to winning number 18 this year. We could still have signed Arroyo, Murphy and Pavlovic which would have been fine.

Rondo/West/Arroyo/BBD
Ray/West/Wafer/BBD
Paul/Sasha/BBD
KG/BBD/Murphy
Perkins/JO/BBD/BBD/BBD

[JadeBlack]

Too much dependent on Shaq playing the season ....didn't happen! Now can JO remain injury free until Playoffs?
Game 2 OKC grt win Perk 11 rebounds and 7 pts. Hope C's organ takes note.

[Rondo9dunx]

I'm not saying I dont think we can win, even without shaq, i'm just acknowledging that yes, perk would be great right now.

[jdz101]

Rondo/West/Arroyo/BBD
Ray/West/Wafer/BBD
Paul/Sasha/BBD
KG/BBD/Murphy
Perkins/JO/BBD/BBD/BBD

Docs angry that you don't have enough BBD

[Rondo9dunx]

Rondo/West/Arroyo/BBD
Ray/West/Wafer/BBD
Paul/Sasha/BBD
KG/BBD/Murphy
Perkins/JO/BBD/BBD/BBD

Docs angry that you don't have enough BBD

Yea according to Doc BBD is the 6th, 7th, and 8th player of the year

[jdz101]

Rondo/West/Arroyo/BBD
Ray/West/Wafer/BBD
Paul/Sasha/BBD
KG/BBD/Murphy
Perkins/JO/BBD/BBD/BBD

Docs angry that you don't have enough BBD

Yea according to Doc BBD is the 6th, 7th, and 8th player of the year

If doc could clone BBD, he would. Then he'd have 96 minutes of BBD

[droopdog7]

I just can't believe that if Danny calls up Cleveland and says "Give me Anthony Parker, we'll give you Semih, we'll give you 'Gody, and we'll give you $2M cash" that Cleveland says "no."  

Every year, you see first round picks for sale, seems like $3M is about the adking price.  If the C's didn't want to give up the pick, give up the cash.  

It's not like Cleveland had any real use for keeping Parker around, anyway.  

They gave money to Sacramento to take Quis off our hands (freeing up the roster spot), right?

Gody + Semi + cash for Parker does not work according to CBA guidelines.

If you believe everything you read, Ainge offered Daniels and a 1st round pick, plus cash:

http://dimemag.com/2011/02/nba-trade-rumor-anthony-parker-to-boston-or-chicago/

I have no doubt that Ainge explored the Parker scenario to its fullest extent.

Fine, then two separate deals.

Anthony Parker for Quis and enough cash for Quis' salary.  That works, straight-up.

'Gody, Semih, and $2M - $3M for a heavily-protected second round pick.  Salaries don't need to match when it's minimum-salary contracts (plus Cleveland having all kinds of trade exemptions to play with).

My theory?  Danny looked into Anthony Parker, but then started talking to OKC about Jeff Green, and talked himself into the kid.  Talked himself into Shaq being OK come the playoffs.  Talked himself into Perk being expendable.  Talked himself into Troy Murphy and Krstic being able to provide decent big-man depth.  

Talked himself into what he believed to be a Red Auerbach trade, talked himself into this trade not hurting the team's 2011 chances and setting themselves up for the future.  Underestimated the severity of Shaq's injury, overestimated the severity of Perk's, and completely overestimated Jeff Green's ability.

Swing for the fences, you strike out a lot, you know?

So what you are suggesting is that Cle give us Parker for nothing.  Now why in the world would they do that?

[SF Celtic]

I love it jdz101!

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[jdz101]

I love it jdz101!

[LooseCannon]

So what you are suggesting is that Cle give us Parker for nothing.  Now why in the world would they do that?

He's suggesting structuring a trade as two deals to fit salary cap rules.  Not necessary, though.  The Cavs were under the cap, I believe, so the Celtics needed to match salaries, but the Cavs didn't and thus could take in a few million more than they would send out in a trade.  So, trading Daniels/Gody/Erden+cash for Parker probably would have been allowed.  (Ainge still may have wanted to structure the deal to create a tiny trade exception.)

[the_Bird]

So what you are suggesting is that Cle give us Parker for nothing.  Now why in the world would they do that?

He's suggesting structuring a trade as two deals to fit salary cap rules.  Not necessary, though.  The Cavs were under the cap, I believe, so the Celtics needed to match salaries, but the Cavs didn't and thus could take in a few million more than they would send out in a trade.  So, trading Daniels/Gody/Erden+cash for Parker probably would have been allowed.  (Ainge still may have wanted to structure the deal to create a tiny trade exception.)

Doing it as two separate trades would allow the C's to send more $$ Cleveland's way.  If they really wanted a first round pick, you could send them enough cash so they could buy one, plus you needed to send them the money to pay for Quis's salary.  Doing it as separate trades essentially lets you bump the cash considerations above the $3M max.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

  Guys relax!  It's the playoffs and we're up 2-0.  I know that some of you hate the trade, and I understand where you're coming from.  But before you denounce Danny and lament about what we lost...
   Let's look at our situation objectively.  Last year, in the first round, we played a team with D. Wade, an injured JO having his worst season, and a Beasley who was absolutely horrible.  We had our starting core healthy and intact.  We had Tony Allen to throw on D. Wade.  We had Perkisabeast.  Yet, during game 4 Wade went for 46-5-5 and handed us a loss in game 4.  We only won game 1 by 9 points, and game 3 by 2 points, and game 4 by 10 points.  We had one blowout game 2.  The Celtics were never a team that blew out inferior teams consistently.  We averaged 93.9 points and gave up 91.1 points for a differential of +2.8 last post-season.  We are averaging 91.5 points while giving up 89 for a +2.5 point differential in the two games we played.  
   This year we are playing a Knicks team with Carmello, Stoudemire and Billups.  It's true that 2 of these guys missed pretty much an entire game.  But Carmello and scrubs are still as good that Heat team that took a game from us last year.  To say that the trade is why these games are close and it would be different if we had Perk is rather unsupported by history.  
   Let's dispel a few myths regarding a trade right away.  
1)  Rondo lost his heart when Perk left.  FALSE.  Rondo has averaged 20 points, 8 assists and 6.5 rebounds shooting 48.6%.
2)  Ray Allen can't get open because we lost the great screens that Perk set.  FALSE.  Ray is averaging 21 points in 65.2% shooting.
3)  Our defense will suffer greatly without Perk.  FALSE.  We held one of the best offenses in the league to 89 ppg on 38.7% shooting from the field and 33.33% from three point.  
4)  Our overall defense might be great but we give up too many points in the paint.  FALSE.  Dwight Howard and the Magic allow 49% from the restricted area and 63% in the paint against the jump-shooting Hawks.  The Celtics allow 47% in the restricted area and a staggering 13% in the paint.
   We have two glaring weakness both of which plagued us last season; rebounding and scoring off the bench.  
   Perkins is hardly a renowned rebounder who would single handedly change this differential significantly.  Especially since so many of the rebounds we gave up against the Knicks were long rebounds off missed jump-shots picked up by the likes of Jeffries and Douglas who would hardly be influenced by Perkins.  This is a problem that we have suffered even with Perkins and one we will have to solve as a team.  
   Our bench has not shown itself in the last 2 games, but it has the talent.  There is no denying that West, Green, Davis and Kristic are all offensively gifted players who have started in the playoffs.  No blame should attach to Danny as this bench is a significant upgrade offensively from Nate, West, Baby and JO (You can include Pavlovic as a backup for Paul but he's untested and our chemistry would be even harder to regain with an additional player from the bench.
   We now have a true quality backup for Paul and the flexibility to go small which we did not have before.  Furthermore Nate had trouble especially against guards like Douglass who would shoot right over his head, and West who is a better player would have a reduced role.  Once our bench wet their feet as Celtics, our bench production should increase significantly and our offense will become much more potent.
   Our 4th quarter execution has been absolutely clutch and the big 4 still have their Mojo.  Let's see what these guys can do in MSG.  It's all about 18.

Tommy Point. Well said. Bravo. Couldn't gree more. Short sentences rock.

[Brendan]

My main complaint with DA is not the trade itself - he felt size at the wing off the bench a greater risk than center depth. If Delonte was out right now and Shaq playing just ten minutes a game, he'd probably look like a genius. (A scenario that's somewhat likely.) And despite the teams play in games 1 & 2, I'm not convinced the team would really be playing that much better with say Perkins, Parker, and Nate instead of Kristic, Green, and Arroyo. Realistically the trade was made for the next series against Miami.

So what is my complaint with DA? It's his complete missing on several opportunities to build depth through the draft. Obviously JR Giddens over Deandre Jordan burns, but so does Pruitt and Baby over Gasol. I have had a lot of faith in DA's drafting, but in retrospect maybe that's been misplaced. The misses on these big men are what forced the Celtics to rely on MLE big men for their championship runs last year and this, which is also partly why they had a whole to fill with Green.

The Celts are often compared to the Spurs - already armed with David Robinson the Spurs lucked into Duncan, got a championship and have been competitors since. Similarly the C's armed with Pierce were in a position to get Allen and KG and win a championship. Rondo may be the piece that lets them extend that window, like Duncan in SA (not that Rondo is of the same caliber) - but the other thing SA did was get a couple late great draft picks in Manu and Parker.

(and sure I know its hindsight)