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Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2011, 08:55:14 AM »

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boston needs to embrace jeff green more because whether you like it or not perkins isnt coming back. kid just needs confidence and what a better way than to get the crowd behind him


Come on!  This is Boston!  When one of or beloved gets traded, we don't embrace the new guy.
We design to judge too severely, we are overcritical, ostentatious, and intolerant.  We scrutinize their every move.  If they play well, we are skeptical, brooding over it.  If they play poorly or fail to live up to expectation we rant.  Then if that is not enough, We cut them just to see if they bleed.  


Jeff Green is a multi-talented individual.  Be patient Boston.  Embrace him. 
Accentuate the positive, so he can eliminate the negative.

So its our fault Jeff Green has underachieved?

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2011, 09:03:24 AM »

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I disagree with what people are saying about Jeff Green lacking heart or being passive....In fact, he's being too aggressive, fouling people all over the place in an effort to live up to Boston's standard of tough play......

They don't need that from Green.  They need him to be his cerebral self and do fundamental stuff like box out and stay in front of his guy on defense.....and post up his guy on offense.

He's trying to do too much right now, which happens alot when you get a new player, especially coming to a place like Boston with its big 4.

The only question I have about Green regards his shooting as a bench player.  I'm not sure his outside shot is good enough for a major scoring role off the bench.  As I starter I wouldn't worry because over the course of the game he'd score a lot on fast breaks and broken plays.  But as a bench guy needing to fit in to highly structured situations the outside shooting concerns me......

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2011, 09:30:44 AM »

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Green looks like the same player as a reserve as he did as a starter for the Thunder.  I'm sick of the "getting used to a new role" excuse.  Steve Kerr said it several times last night.  He's the exact same guy who is simply playing fewer minutes.  He was invisible half of the time with the Thunder too.

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2011, 09:33:42 AM »

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One of the frustrating things with Green is the way in which he approaches rebounding.  A lot of times, he waits for the ball to come to him, rather than going after it aggressively.  The problem with this is that it gives the opposing team time to get there first.


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Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2011, 09:33:57 AM »

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there is no comparison.
Gerald Wallace is a MAN
Jeff Green is a BOY.

Gerald Wallace is a tough street guy
Jeff Green is a quiet pampered waif.  

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2011, 09:58:18 AM »

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One of the frustrating things with Green is the way in which he approaches rebounding.  A lot of times, he waits for the ball to come to him, rather than going after it aggressively.  The problem with this is that it gives the opposing team time to get there first.
I noticed that a few times last night.  He doesn't do any work until the ball is at grabbing level.  And usually someone else grabs it.

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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2011, 10:09:43 AM »

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boston needs to embrace jeff green more because whether you like it or not perkins isnt coming back. kid just needs confidence and what a better way than to get the crowd behind him


Come on!  This is Boston!  When one of or beloved gets traded, we don't embrace the new guy.
We design to judge too severely, we are overcritical, ostentatious, and intolerant.  We scrutinize their every move.  If they play well, we are skeptical, brooding over it.  If they play poorly or fail to live up to expectation we rant.  Then if that is not enough, We cut them just to see if they bleed.  


Jeff Green is a multi-talented individual.  Be patient Boston.  Embrace him. 
Accentuate the positive, so he can eliminate the negative.

So its our fault Jeff Green has underachieved?

I was going to make the same point. Jeff Green makes millions of dollars to play basketball. The guy has done basically nothing since he got here. We are all supposed to be happy about this and encourage him? Sounds more like a psychiatrist's office than a pro basketball game. Jeff Green needs to figure out how he can contribute to this team.

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« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2011, 10:12:16 AM »

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It sounds like Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo were cut from the same cloth.

Great length for their positions, really fast, multi-talented, questionable fire...

Rondo learned a lot about being an quiet leader from Ray Allen - you do not need to be demonstrative to dominate a game. Lets hope Jeff Green goes to the same school.
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2011, 10:37:18 AM »

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You can't teach heart...sometimes i forget Jeff Green is 6'9",he's one of those players that seems to play smaller than his actual height.

Im disappointed with the bench period.If they plan to win over the road this bench has to do more.
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Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2011, 10:39:24 AM »

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Sorry for the rant, but all of the "Jeff Green sucks" comments that have been floating around were starting to annoy me.
Ditto

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2011, 10:43:20 AM »

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Im disappointed with the bench period.If they plan to win over the road this bench has to do more.

I agree.  I think Green is getting a lot of grief due to who was traded for him (and rightfully so), but personally, I thing the real problems have been Davis (who I think has gotten his fair share of grief as well), and especially West.

I really expected West to be the true 6th man of this team, but so far he has given them nothing. 

I am actually OK with what Green has given them, mainly because I have lowered my expectations.  He has scored a bit, played hard on defense, and made Melo work for his shots even when Pierce isn't covering him.  At this point, I am not going to ask anything more from him than that (and yes, I am absolutely [dang]ing him with faint praise). 

But, at some point, one of these guys needs to step up and be more than just another body. 

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2011, 10:46:09 AM »

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I don't think Jeff Green understands how to play a 25-mpg game as opposed to 35-mpg game yet.

When you play 35-38 minutes per game, you can pick your spots in terms of being aggressive offensively.

When you're limited to 25-minute relief duty, you pretty much have to be on all the time.
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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2011, 10:52:50 AM »

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I don't think Jeff Green understands how to play a 25-mpg game as opposed to 35-mpg game yet.

When you play 35-38 minutes per game, you can pick your spots in terms of being aggressive offensively.

When you're limited to 25-minute relief duty, you pretty much have to be on all the time.


I can't deny that Green needs to up his effort, but he can't do much offensively if the team never puts him in position to do anything.  Outside of posting Green up when he has a smaller defender on him, how many times has Boston run an offensive play that involved Green?  Isolation on the wing?  Pick-n-roll with Pierce or Ray to get a smaller defender to switch over to Green?  A little motion to get Green the ball in space and let him make a move?  Can anyone explain what role Green is supposed to be playing in the C's offense?

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Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2011, 11:25:09 AM »

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It sounds like Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo were cut from the same cloth.

Great length for their positions, really fast, multi-talented, questionable fire...

Rondo learned a lot about being an quiet leader from Ray Allen - you do not need to be demonstrative to dominate a game. Lets hope Jeff Green goes to the same school.
I dunno about this.  Rondo has a nastiness and toughness that Green doesn't have. 

Re: Jeff Green needs the endeavor and heart of Gerald wallace
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2011, 12:16:33 PM »

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It sounds like Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo were cut from the same cloth.

Great length for their positions, really fast, multi-talented, questionable fire...

Rondo learned a lot about being an quiet leader from Ray Allen - you do not need to be demonstrative to dominate a game. Lets hope Jeff Green goes to the same school.
I dunno about this.  Rondo has a nastiness and toughness that Green doesn't have. 

"yet", Jeff Green will eventually develop them sometime, god he chose the locker right next to KG, sooner or later he'll start getting it

come on, KG's intensity is contagious  :P