Could the Celtics have landed G. Wallace? (Pure Speculation. No factual base)

[StartOrien]

Saw this brought up in a thread before breiefly, and for some reason it just popped in my head. I'm sure it'll get greeted w/ a few well thoughtt out "Who cares, its the playoffs let's talk about the team!" messages:

Could the Celtics have made a run at Gerald Wallace?

To refresh everyone's memory here was the Portland-Charlotte deal:

Charlotte Sends: Gerald Wallace
Portland Sends: Joel Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks, and two future first round picks.

I've tried searching around, and haven't really been able to find anymore details about the stripulations on those picks. Early reports stated one of them was Portland's 2011 but I haven't been able to cnfirm.

Wallace makes 9.8 mil this year, 10.6 next year, and an 11.4 mil player option in 12/13. I can't say for sure, but I'd assume we financially could've made this work w/ Perkins, Robinson and maybe some other bit parts.

So, question is, could we have gotten Gerald Wallace? Obviosuly Perkins & Robinson (who has another year at 4.2 mil) are better players than what the Bobcats recieved - but that doesn't seem to be all that important to Charlotte (though Perkins would be a GREAT fit for Ty Thomas). Would Avery Bradley be enough to spicen the pot for them to take another year of Nate Rob? Perkins, Nate Rob, Bradley, 2 first round picks isn't a bad loot for Wallace.  

My guess is that Charlotte woudln't do it. The Wallace trade was pretty public, so I'd assume that Ainge made a call or two down to Charlotte. Though I guess you could argue that Ainge would've thought that was too rich for his blood.

It also could potentially jeapordize the D12/CP3 dream if Wallace were to excercise his player option for 12/13

What do you guys thing? Could we have pulled it off? Would you be willing to give all of that up Wallace?

[indeedproceed]

I've tried searching around, and haven't really been able to find anymore details about the stripulations on those picks. Early reports stated one of them was Portland's 2011 but I haven't been able to cnfirm.

I haven't found anything either.

Would've been Perkins+Daniels+picks (and possibly Avery Bradley).

Keep Semih, wring hands and pray for the O'Neals?

Meh.

[StartOrien]

Ah, Daniels. Good call.

So, Option A:

Jeff Green, Clippers' pick, Krstic and you hold onto your two first round picks

Option B:

Gerald Wallace, Nate Robinson, Semih Erden, and - 2 first round picks.

I've been pro-trade, but I think I'd take option B. But I'll change my toneWHEN we win the Championship (Honing my inner Norman Dale)

[Lucky17]

For Charlotte, I think it was about the salary dump, plus the picks (although as a throw-in, Cunningham is looking like a nice pickup; perhaps Charlotte pushed for his inclusion?).

Picks were the Hornets' 2011 (#19) pick, and the Blazers' 2013 (protected, likely early 20s).

So, could Boston come up with a package that offered equal salary relief (probably), prospect (Bradley), and picks (probably not)?

Tough to say, but I think not.

[Chris]

It's an interesting thought, and who knows, maybe this was even the trade that "fell through" that Doc and Danny have mentioned.  

I think its not inconcievable that the Bobcats wouldn't value Perkins nearly as much as OKC, based on the fact that they wouldn't have been able to resign him until he hit free agency this summer, and he wouldn't have had a chance to make them a contender this season.  

And especially since they are likely holding out hope they can get Chris Paul in 2012, they might not have been interested in giving Perkins a big deal this summer to make his value worth it for them.  His contract could very well be what makes them unable to get Paul under the cap.

So, they would likely be looking at Perkins as a rental/expiring contract, which means the C's would have had to come close to matching the 2 first rounders, along with Perkins to beat the Blazers offer.  

And from Danny's point of view, which is the better deal, Perkins and Nate for Green, Nenad, and a potentially valuable pick, or Perkins, Daniels, and a first round pick or two for Wallace.

Especially given Wallace's lack of shooting ability (which would not combine well with Rondo), and the fact they wouldn't be getting another center in return, I just don't think there was a good fit there.

I think this is just a good example of a trade that just doesn't work, not because of value, but the pieces just don't fit.

[Prof. Clutch]

TP for the question.  I wondered this at the trade deadline myself and remarked to many of my friends that I thought Portland got the steal of the trade deadline.  Looking at what Portland gave up I think we could have gotten Wallace if that was the direction Danny was convinced he needed to go in.  On the other side of things Wallace's contract would have been a big load to take on, and Danny has way more leverage to lock up a team friendly/controlled deal with Jeff Green's restricted free agency this summer.

[StartOrien]

For Charlotte, I think it was about the salary dump, plus the picks (although as a throw-in, Cunningham is looking like a nice pickup; perhaps Charlotte pushed for his inclusion?).

Picks were the Hornets' 2011 (#19) pick, and the Blazers' 2013 (protected, likely early 20s).

So, could Boston come up with a package that offered equal salary relief (probably), prospect (Bradley), and picks (probably not)?

Tough to say, but I think not.

I believe we have the 25th pick this year. So the difference between us and the Hornets in what sounds to be a miserable draft is fairly small. So you'd think regardless of what you'd think of Bradley he could make up for the difference, right?

[StartOrien]

Especially given Wallace's lack of shooting ability (which would not combine well with Rondo), and the fact they wouldn't be getting another center in return, I just don't think there was a good fit there.

I think this is just a good example of a trade that just doesn't work, not because of value, but the pieces just don't fit.

That's a great point

[Lucky17]

For Charlotte, I think it was about the salary dump, plus the picks (although as a throw-in, Cunningham is looking like a nice pickup; perhaps Charlotte pushed for his inclusion?).

Picks were the Hornets' 2011 (#19) pick, and the Blazers' 2013 (protected, likely early 20s).

So, could Boston come up with a package that offered equal salary relief (probably), prospect (Bradley), and picks (probably not)?

Tough to say, but I think not.

I believe we have the 25th pick this year. So the difference between us and the Hornets in what sounds to be a miserable draft is fairly small. So you'd think regardless of what you'd think of Bradley he could make up for the difference, right?

Is Perkins a necessary inclusion in the deal, to make salaries work?

I don't think Ainge would have done that without getting a center back in the deal.

[StartOrien]

For Charlotte, I think it was about the salary dump, plus the picks (although as a throw-in, Cunningham is looking like a nice pickup; perhaps Charlotte pushed for his inclusion?).

Picks were the Hornets' 2011 (#19) pick, and the Blazers' 2013 (protected, likely early 20s).

So, could Boston come up with a package that offered equal salary relief (probably), prospect (Bradley), and picks (probably not)?

Tough to say, but I think not.

I believe we have the 25th pick this year. So the difference between us and the Hornets in what sounds to be a miserable draft is fairly small. So you'd think regardless of what you'd think of Bradley he could make up for the difference, right?

Is Perkins a necessary inclusion in the deal, to make salaries work?

I don't think Ainge would have done that without getting a center back in the deal.

Ya. Unless Charlotte would take Nate's contract which would be silly.

[LooseCannon]

I think Ainge had absolutely no intention of sending out future first-round draft picks, so this deal doesn't happen.