Dwight, CP3 etc. and the Celtic Future

[Yogi]

   A team is an investment.  You don't go out and buy the most expensive stock and expect to be successful.  Young super-stars in their prime are expensive and will only decline in their value as they move past their prime.  Max-contract players are not a great investment unless your team basically has no future at all.  The Celtics are successful because they brought in great players who were thought to be over-the-hill like Ray, KG, and JO, limiting their roles, getting them to buy into the team philosophy and getting the most of them.  They also developed young raw talent like Rondo, Big Baby and Perkins to the point where everybody is now willing to pay lots of money to get them on their teams.  This is the reason we are able to surround our Big 3 with so much talent unlike Miami and New York who have a bench full of scrubs to backup their big 3.  This is the classic rule of buying low and selling high. 
  With Rondo, Delonte West, Jeff Green, Baby and Kristic we have a nice core of young players who are getting payed way less than they are worth.  We have a veteran group of Big 3 and JO who will provide the youth with their experience as long as they are around.  At some point, hopefully in the distant future, their expiring contracts would be bought out by some team and we can cash in on some more under-appreciated pieces (raw or over-the-hill.)  This is the future I envision and not one where we get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and a bunch of scrubs.  We'll leave that for the New Yorks, LA-s and Miami-s. 

[PseudoElite]

I'm sorry but you're being way too optimistic.

If the Celtics building blocks are what you say:
Rondo, Delonte West, Jeff Green, Baby and Kristic

Then we are in serious trouble. You really expect a team like that to have any chance against the likes of Chicago or Miami or even New York? Not a chance.

The Big 3 are too old, and Pierce is probably the only one worth keeping at this point (he will more than likely retire as a Celtic no matter what happens).

Getting  Dwight Howard or another superstar would probably be a good idea to keep Boston relevant. Relying solely on draft picks alone is very luck based and it could mean another twilight era for the Celtics like what happened post-Larry Bird era. NO THANKS. I don't want to wait 10-20 years for the Celtics to be a contender again.

Get 1 or 2 superstars, keep Rondo, Green, West, Bradley, get rid of the rest while they still have value and build around that.

[illestmcsgt]

Thinking about the future is hard because we can get draft picks and get a steal. I would like to think we got a good chance because of the veterans like Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen staying around. I imagine BBD going somewhere else along with other reserves. Which will open up for free agents that we can sign like A Michael Redd, A Luis Scola, or others like that.

I like having Rondo, Bradley, West, and maybe a few others as we go along. We will add pieces and if we get a star player in a few years, then we are sitting good.

[Mr October]

A core is only good if it includes a superstar, or at least 2 legit All NBA players (like Pierce).

The Celtics have had a good core since summer 2007. Before that, Pierce and whatever were only an OK core. Between the Bird and Pierce eras, the Celtics had a terrible core.

I don't want to go through another 15 years of merely OK and terrible cores.

[Mr October]

...in the meantime, you gather chips: draft picks, upside guys, and players signed to movable contracts.

[Cman]

...in the meantime, you gather chips: draft picks, upside guys, and players signed to movable contracts.

I think DA has shown he does a decent job of this, so I'm not worried about that.  In any case, We still have the rest of this year, and I suspect we'll be competitive next year as well (all the starters will be back, and there's a decent chance we see three of the following group: Green, West, Krstic, BBD).

[LooseCannon]

Max-contract players are not a great investment unless your team basically has no future at all.

Max-contract players are arguably a great investment if they would easily be worth a bigger contract if there is no maximum.

[Kane3387]

CP3 and D12 are not 28 and thus still not in there primes. They likely will be good until 33. So giving them mac deals at this point next season is a great investment. They are top two at their respective positions and future HOFers.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

...in the meantime, you gather chips: draft picks, upside guys, and players signed to movable contracts.

I think DA has shown he does a decent job of this, so I'm not worried about that.  In any case, We still have the rest of this year, and I suspect we'll be competitive next year as well (all the starters will be back, and there's a decent chance we see three of the following group: Green, West, Krstic, BBD).

Sadly, there is no next year

[manl_lui]

I'm sorry but you're being way too optimistic.

If the Celtics building blocks are what you say:
Rondo, Delonte West, Jeff Green, Baby and Kristic

Then we are in serious trouble. You really expect a team like that to have any chance against the likes of Chicago or Miami or even New York? Not a chance.

The Big 3 are too old, and Pierce is probably the only one worth keeping at this point (he will more than likely retire as a Celtic no matter what happens).

Getting  Dwight Howard or another superstar would probably be a good idea to keep Boston relevant. Relying solely on draft picks alone is very luck based and it could mean another twilight era for the Celtics like what happened post-Larry Bird era. NO THANKS. I don't want to wait 10-20 years for the Celtics to be a contender again.

Get 1 or 2 superstars, keep Rondo, Green, West, Bradley, get rid of the rest while they still have value and build around that.

I agree, i love having West backing up Rondo, and I believe Bradley will not be another Gerald Green. I want to give Bradley more of a chance

but yes shop the rest and build from there

[More Banners]

Max-contract players are not a great investment unless your team basically has no future at all.

Max-contract players are arguably a great investment if they would easily be worth a bigger contract if there is no maximum.

Exactly true, as evidenced by 1) the contracts MJ got in the old days, and 2) the incredible loss of value of the Cavs franchise that greatly exceeded the contract of Lebron.

I forgot who said it, but KG was underpaid when he got $100 million.

[action781]

Max-contract players are not a great investment unless your team basically has no future at all.

Max-contract players are arguably a great investment if they would easily be worth a bigger contract if there is no maximum.

I agree, but only for true max-contract worthy players.  In my opinion, there are only 7-8 players in the NBA worthy of a max contract right now.  The problem is that players like Joe Johnson, Gilbert Arenas, Rudy Gay, etc. get max contracts which means teams are paying them the same money or more than Lebron and Dwight Howard. 

A team is at a significant disadvantage if they are trying to build a supporting cast around Rudy Gay with the same amount of cap space as a team trying to build a supporting cast around Lebron.

[action781]

I'm an enormous proponent of trading away Rondo, Ray, Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, our rookie next season, two future first round draft picks, and the LAC pick in order to acquire Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.  Take back some moderately bad contracts like Ariza and Redick too.  I think that is the best chance at contending in the future.

[LooseCannon]

I'm an enormous proponent of trading away Rondo, Ray, Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, our rookie next season, two future first round draft picks, and the LAC pick in order to acquire Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.  Take back some moderately bad contracts like Ariza and Redick too.  I think that is the best chance at contending in the future.

If neither of those players are available, what is your plan B?

[Yogi]

  Rondo is our starting point guard for the next few years.  Bradley is a work in progress, but I see him being a backup point given time.  West is being groomed as Ray's backup.  Green is similarly groomed to backup Paul.  Baby has a high value as a trading chip with the kind of experience, energy and defense he brings.  I can see him being involved in a trade bringing in new talent, or staying in Boston playing significant minutes off the bench.  I see JO as a bit of a fixer-upper.  In the BEST case, he'll be able to give us 4-5 years and groom a young center with promise.  
   Who are some players we can bring in for "cheap" that can possibly develop into great players in green?
I like JJ Redick, Grant Hill(38 yrs old), Taj Gibson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Charlie Villanueava, Tyler Hansbrough, Chris Andersen, Drew Gooden, Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady.