My thoughts on the Celtics and their bench in game 1 (Glen Davis Rant)

[EJPLAYA]

Glen Davis:  11.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1 steal, 45% from the field, 73.6% from the free-throw line.  True Story.

Glen Davis yesterday
G. Davis   25:26 1-8 0-1 0-2 +13 1 4 5 0 2 1 2 0 1 2
True story

and please Mr. sick of our ignorance, stop calling other posters just because they have other point of view.

Edgar

   One game? really?  That stat-line is hardly as bad as you make it seem.  What about the Pierce game where he went 0 for 10?  Calling a member of your own team a "waste" and a professional athlete, whose quickness has been one of his major strengths, "fat" is ignorant.  The numbers I put up are his averages for the entire season. 
   It is ignorant to insult your own players when they have done nothing but sacrifice their body and work hard for your team.  It is ignorant to think Glen Davis is not a SMOY candidate.  It is ignorant to second guess the entire Celtics coaching staff.  These should be fairly self-evident facts. 

How about this then:

In the past few months he has games of 1-5, 3-10, 1-5, 3-10, 3-10, 2-8, 5-13, 3-10, 3-8, 3-10, 4-15, 4-11, 1-8, 3-11,  and 1-8 in this first playoff game.

In 30 min a game average in Feb and March he has only averaged 4.6 and 5.0 rebounds. He has had double digits only twice in all those games. He only had 4 TOTAL assists in the entire month of March. ( point 3 avg per game!)

How long does the guy have to suck and play mediocre at best basketball before people realize that the guy is just not that good?! I’m tired of his “intangibles”. This team needs TANGIBLES.

Jeff Green is a thousand times better scorer than BBD is. He is AS good of a rebounder as BBD is. He is a LOT better passer than Glen is. Quite frankly I am not sure that he isn’t close to as good a defender as BBD is. I think that against huge guys like Howard, and Shaq before he was with us, etc he is an above average defender. Everywhere else he’s not really that great.

Why is it again that the guy should be playing 30 minutes a game and is BARELY behind the big 3 in shots taken per game?! If I have one complaint about Doc, this is it. The guy needs to sit the out of shape pudge bucket and get green in the game. Push the ball.

As far as Paul Pierce, the last time I checked he was the 2nd leading scorer, and soon to be leading scorer in Celtics history. When you have that under your belt you can go 0-10 and people will overlook it. When you are a ball hog and poor shooter people tend to get on you about it.

[Roy H.]

Enough with the "ignorant" talk.  I'm not sure who gave people the idea that it's okay to insult others on here, but that's not going to fly.

[Bahku]

Really a bit tired of terms like "suck" being applied to Glen Davis, when he's 4th in scoring for the year and tied for second in rebounding with Paul Pierce, (this while being 6th in MPG). Yes, he makes immature decisions at times, and has games where he takes too many jump shots, but I could find just as many weaknesses to be critical about pertaining to almost every player on this team, especially the bench. The guy still needs to mature with his game and decisions, (and hence makes for an easy target), but the bashing is getting old ... and the majority is undeserved. I have no problem with constructive criticism, but this crap goes way too far beyond that.

[Brendan]

I have no problem with constructive criticism, but this crap goes way too far beyond that.

It's not like Glen is reading this forum for advice on how to improve his game - so it doesn't matter if the posts are constructive or not. Glen is paid many millions to play basketball, that's enough. Honest criticism, even if not constructive, even if its subjective, should be allowed - and is.

Glen is the worst of the top 8 players right now. His durability and versatility are strengths, but they are strengths better suited to the regular season than post season - he needs to play better or less in the playoffs.

[soap07]

The most frustrating part about Davis is that this team is about players knowing their roles, sacrificing and not doing things they can't. I think Davis thinks he's a better player than he is. When he gets the ball in the post, he believes he can score every time rather than taking advantage of the matchups. It's not pretty. He believes he's a good jump shooter, when really, he should only be out there occasionally. He's not a very good rebounder.


When he's playing hard, setting good picks, and doing dirty work, he's useful. When he's not, well, he's a detriment.

[Bahku]

I have no problem with constructive criticism, but this crap goes way too far beyond that.

It's not like Glen is reading this forum for advice on how to improve his game - so it doesn't matter if the posts are constructive or not. Glen is paid many millions to play basketball, that's enough. Honest criticism, even if not constructive, even if its subjective, should be allowed - and is.

Glen is the worst of the top 8 players right now. His durability and versatility are strengths, but they are strengths better suited to the regular season than post season - he needs to play better or less in the playoffs.

And my "subjective" opinion to disagree and feel the Baby-bashing is getting old is also allowed. The entire team played pretty poorly in game one, and if Glen brings nothing else, he brings energy, which almost everyone else has lacked. I completely agree that he needs to play better, as does the rest of the team, (outside of Jermaine, who was great), and even Doc, (who admittedly was out-coached in game one). I personally have no doubt that all of these short-comings will be corrected ... but I'm one of those "blind optimists" that are so often spoiling the fun on critical threads.

[317]

I distinctly remember one of the shots that BBD took that somehow rolled in (it was an awkward runner in the lane) he had an absolutely WIDE open Krstic right underneath the basket. He could have literally put it up for Krstic to alley-oop or dumped it right to him for an easy dunk.

that play we were incedibly lucky to not get called for 3 seconds. Krstic was WIDE open, he was in for a good 5 count but it was due to Davis not passing the ball.

[More Banners]

Really a bit tired of terms like "suck" being applied to Glen Davis, when he's 4th in scoring for the year and tied for second in rebounding with Paul Pierce, (this while being 6th in MPG). Yes, he makes immature decisions at times, and has games where he takes too many jump shots, but I could find just as many weaknesses to be critical about pertaining to almost every player on this team, especially the bench. The guy still needs to mature with his game and decisions, (and hence makes for an easy target), but the bashing is getting old ... and the majority is undeserved. I have no problem with constructive criticism, but this crap goes way too far beyond that.

Well, he's #4 in scoring by being a chucker.  No props for that.

As for being tied for boards with Pierce, well...he's a PF that averaged 29 minutes for the season and only got 5.5 boards on a team that needed them.  No props for that either.

Does he suck?  Well, not quite.  But IMO, he only gets those minutes because he knows the system so well and gets himself to the right spots, not because of his decisions when he gets there (as you mention) or his innate ability or skills.  And this is likely from knowing the system so well, having been on the team for longer than any other big save KG right now.

In terms of his actual basketball skills, IMO, they're eroding.  What he learned to do well (from Clifford Ray) is fading fast.  He seems to also be slowly losing the ability to keep from trying to make the superstar plays his inner child seems to think he can make.

To be a truly great player at his position, BBD lacks only length, lift, height, floor vision, passing skills, decision making skills, and a maturity and self-awareness to play within his ability.  

Without those, he's still pretty good in limited minutes, which is a testament to a guy getting the most out of what he has.  I surely don't see a Charles Barkleyesque ceiling for this guy, but I agree that he doesn't suck, even as I count down the days until his contract expires.

[SF Celtic]

We should merge our posts.  Mine is: Baby Davis is Garbage. But, Hey, Doc Loves Him.

...and they wanna' hang me over here for the same observations (and some creative imagery).  :-)

[ballin]

Glen Davis:  11.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1 steal, 45% from the field, 73.6% from the free-throw line.  True Story.

Glen Davis yesterday
G. Davis   25:26 1-8 0-1 0-2 +13 1 4 5 0 2 1 2 0 1 2
True story

and please Mr. sick of our ignorance, stop calling other posters just because they have other point of view.

Edgar

  One game? really?  That stat-line is hardly as bad as you make it seem.  What about the Pierce game where he went 0 for 10?  Calling a member of your own team a "waste" and a professional athlete, whose quickness has been one of his major strengths, "fat" is ignorant.  The numbers I put up are his averages for the entire season.  
   It is ignorant to insult your own players when they have done nothing but sacrifice their body and work hard for your team.  It is ignorant to think Glen Davis is not a SMOY candidate.  It is ignorant to second guess the entire Celtics coaching staff.  These should be fairly self-evident facts.  

How about this then:

In the past few months he has games of 1-5, 3-10, 1-5, 3-10, 3-10, 2-8, 5-13, 3-10, 3-8, 3-10, 4-15, 4-11, 1-8, 3-11,  and 1-8 in this first playoff game.

In 30 min a game average in Feb and March he has only averaged 4.6 and 5.0 rebounds. He has had double digits only twice in all those games. He only had 4 TOTAL assists in the entire month of March. ( point 3 avg per game!)

How long does the guy have to suck and play mediocre at best basketball before people realize that the guy is just not that good?! I’m tired of his “intangibles”. This team needs TANGIBLES.

Jeff Green is a thousand times better scorer than BBD is. He is AS good of a rebounder as BBD is. He is a LOT better passer than Glen is. Quite frankly I am not sure that he isn’t close to as good a defender as BBD is. I think that against huge guys like Howard, and Shaq before he was with us, etc he is an above average defender. Everywhere else he’s not really that great.

Why is it again that the guy should be playing 30 minutes a game and is BARELY behind the big 3 in shots taken per game?! If I have one complaint about Doc, this is it. The guy needs to sit the out of shape pudge bucket and get green in the game. Push the ball.

As far as Paul Pierce, the last time I checked he was the 2nd leading scorer, and soon to be leading scorer in Celtics history. When you have that under your belt you can go 0-10 and people will overlook it. When you are a ball hog and poor shooter people tend to get on you about it.

I'm not that high on Jeff Green, but he's sure as hell better than Davis. I feel like a broken record complaining about him so much lately (especially since others have finally been joining in on my complaints) but what he's doing is actually KILLING this team.

I mean killing it. Do you know how big of an impact you're making when, as a coach, you play perhaps the worst player in your rotation for 30 minutes??? It's awful. I can't understate how much it hurts the team, and I don't think people realize how badly Davis' presence affects everyone else on the floor.

I honestly wish we would have kept Scal because I'd rather play him than Davis. Scal at least had size on defense and he was invisible on offense, not a black hole that robs shots from OUR FOUR FREAKING ALL-STARS. Glen Davis should never be allowed to shoot again.

And on top of that, I feel like people who don't know the game too well don't realize how absolutely god awful he is for our rebounding and our defense.

edit: and I'm just gonna add that Davis has always been this terrible, it's just that people didn't realize it when he played fewer minutes and had less time to prove his lack of worth. I've been saying for YEARS we should have kept Powe over him, knee injury and all.

[Yogi]

Enough with the "ignorant" talk.  I'm not sure who gave people the idea that it's okay to insult others on here, but that's not going to fly.

Ignorance is not an insult.  It can even be a positive.  Ignorance is bliss, and plausible deniability   You know what IS insulting?  Calling a player from your own team "a fat piece of...", garbage, waste of space etc.  Especially one who is as important to this team as Glen Davis. 

[Yogi]

Glen Davis:  11.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1 steal, 45% from the field, 73.6% from the free-throw line.  True Story.

Glen Davis yesterday
G. Davis   25:26 1-8 0-1 0-2 +13 1 4 5 0 2 1 2 0 1 2
True story

and please Mr. sick of our ignorance, stop calling other posters just because they have other point of view.

Edgar

   One game? really?  That stat-line is hardly as bad as you make it seem.  What about the Pierce game where he went 0 for 10?  Calling a member of your own team a "waste" and a professional athlete, whose quickness has been one of his major strengths, "fat" is ignorant.  The numbers I put up are his averages for the entire season. 
   It is ignorant to insult your own players when they have done nothing but sacrifice their body and work hard for your team.  It is ignorant to think Glen Davis is not a SMOY candidate.  It is ignorant to second guess the entire Celtics coaching staff.  These should be fairly self-evident facts. 

How about this then:

In the past few months he has games of 1-5, 3-10, 1-5, 3-10, 3-10, 2-8, 5-13, 3-10, 3-8, 3-10, 4-15, 4-11, 1-8, 3-11,  and 1-8 in this first playoff game.

In 30 min a game average in Feb and March he has only averaged 4.6 and 5.0 rebounds. He has had double digits only twice in all those games. He only had 4 TOTAL assists in the entire month of March. ( point 3 avg per game!)

How long does the guy have to suck and play mediocre at best basketball before people realize that the guy is just not that good?! I’m tired of his “intangibles”. This team needs TANGIBLES.

Jeff Green is a thousand times better scorer than BBD is. He is AS good of a rebounder as BBD is. He is a LOT better passer than Glen is. Quite frankly I am not sure that he isn’t close to as good a defender as BBD is. I think that against huge guys like Howard, and Shaq before he was with us, etc he is an above average defender. Everywhere else he’s not really that great.

Why is it again that the guy should be playing 30 minutes a game and is BARELY behind the big 3 in shots taken per game?! If I have one complaint about Doc, this is it. The guy needs to sit the out of shape pudge bucket and get green in the game. Push the ball.

As far as Paul Pierce, the last time I checked he was the 2nd leading scorer, and soon to be leading scorer in Celtics history. When you have that under your belt you can go 0-10 and people will overlook it. When you are a ball hog and poor shooter people tend to get on you about it.

Nice.  Show numbers from when he was playing injured to make the claim that he's a bad player.  His numbers for the season are great which means when healthy he must have played amazingly well for them to be what they are.  Who cares about his assists, that's not his role.  Glen Davis is shooting a higher percent from the field than the "MVP" Derick Rose.  Compared to other bigs, he's shooting better than guys like Bargnani, Blatche, Vilanueva, Frye, DeMarcus Cousins, Jamison and Ariza.  He's doing that coming off our bench.  He's shooting just worse than Odom's career field goal percentage, although Odom is having his best shooting year in 2011. 

[dlpin]

I am sorry, but I think it is undeniable that Davis has played much worse lately than he did earlier in the season. FG% by month:

.667
.439
.455
.446
.391
.470
.402

40% is unacceptable by a big man.

[Yogi]

I am sorry, but I think it is undeniable that Davis has played much worse lately than he did earlier in the season. FG% by month:

.667
.439
.455
.446
.391
.470
.402

40% is unacceptable by a big man.

This does not show a pattern.  He shoots around 45% most of the months.  He had one great month, and two poor ones.  Garnett has mentioned that Glen was playing through an injury.  Also people also go through poor streaks.  I believe even Ray shot under 40% for a couple of weeks.  As I've posted above his field goal percent is higher than a lot of starting bigs in the NBA. 

[chambers]

Look at his season averages.
Every team on the NBA would kill to have BBD on their team.
he isn't the prettiest player but he plays with more heart than 99% of NBA players. If KG verifies his grit and toughness with constant praise then he's good enough for me.
I can't think of how many games this guy has won for us over the years. It's amazing how quickly people forget things in sports.

This guy is the ultimate sacrifice, body first players that gives the Celtics the toughness they're known for and feared for.