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Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2011, 08:39:40 AM »

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This was basically a D-league game.  As such, the numbers meant little to nothing.

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exactly.  essentially a D-league game.  level of competition and stress was way down in this game which evidently allowed him to get comfortable and thus be productive.  He's a long way away from being a rotation player.  would love to be surprised next season if he comes in looking like someone who can dribble respectably, pass competently and make his jumper fairly consistantly.  Not much to ask for but I still think it's a stretch for expectations.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2011, 08:41:24 AM »

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This was basically a D-league game.  As such, the numbers meant little to nothing.

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I think you are both being overly critical.  That team the Knicks put on the floor would crush even a D-League all star team.  If you want to call it equivalent to a NBA preseason game, I'll buy that but there was NBA talent on the floor at every position.  Bradley played well against NBA talent for the first time. 

I am not trying to make this into more than it is but he did show us something in that game (albeit for the first time).  No doubt he came out too early but he showed enough to get a "call back" for next year.  I don't see how you could close the book on him, there are just too many examples; for every Gerald Green and Greg Pruitt who don't figure it out, there is a Billups or even Steve Nash who actually do figure it out.
I guess Pruitt really failed to make an impression on you since his name's "Gabe" not "Greg".  For the record, Gabe showed more promise than Bradley has so far. 

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2011, 08:45:37 AM »

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I knew this topic would come up.  I will be blunt.  What I saw in Avery tonight is a guy that isn't long for this league.  If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd already be cut.

His problem: he isn't a PG (and likely never will be) and he isn't a SG.  He tries but unfortunately, he isn't an NBA player.

Hahahaha.. He isn't an NBA player? You do realize he actually plays in the NBA right? Secondly... Doc and Danny love this kid for a reason.  You can see the fire in him, especially when he plays defense.. He has great hands, plays with energy, and shoots better than Rondo.  His only problem is his confidence (which affects ball-handling if you never played basketball) and that probably has to do with the fact that hes playing with 5 future hall of famers... Hes only 20 years old (WHICH MEANS HE CAN ONLY GET BETTER), Hes atheletic as all hell, I mean the kid can absolutely fly... and as of right now, he is defensively ready to play in the NBA, you can ask Doc about that (AN ACTUAL NBA COACH)... and you're saying he's not an NBA player.. "GIMME A BREAK" - Tommy Heinson..

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2011, 08:53:09 AM »

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Bradley has NBA-level athleticism and plays NBA-level defense.  However, he really has a long way to go on the offensive end.  Last night was a bit of an aberration.

A stint in summer league and a full training camp would help a lot.  Unfortunately, summer league for next season has been canceled, and if there's a lockout, training camp could be shortened.  Hopefully he can hook on with a good developmental coach over the summer and can put a lot of work in.


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Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2011, 09:02:06 AM »

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Bradley has NBA-level athleticism and plays NBA-level defense.  However, he really has a long way to go on the offensive end.  Last night was a bit of an aberration.

A stint in summer league and a full training camp would help a lot.  Unfortunately, summer league for next season has been canceled, and if there's a lockout, training camp could be shortened.  Hopefully he can hook on with a good developmental coach over the summer and can put a lot of work in.


I completely agree with you.  All the kid needs is time to develop and gain consistency.  People are so quick to judge talent based on such a small sample size.  He hasn't played a whole lot, but you can see the potential in this kid everytime he's steals a ball, recovers on defense with his lightning quick feet, and everytime he runs out in the open floor.. I mean the kid is incredibly atheletic and all he needs is time to develop and get better.  However, you can't become consistent without putting in the work.  Hopefully his work ethic will allow him to do so because I really like him as a player. He's 20 years old with raw talent, he just needs to work hard this summer and get better.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2011, 09:07:03 AM »

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With work, I can see him having a solid role in the league.

-He was very highly recruited out of high school and played for a dysfunctional college team.

-However, he has shown great improvement in his shot. Hopefully he will work as hard at his handle

-He already is on the way to having a top-end NBA skill: defense. There's a place in the league for guys like that.

Basically, I could see him being the dark mirror of Monta ellis (tweener, defensive savant as opposed to tweener, offensive savant), or he could stick as a Lindsay Hunter type: Lock down point defense with enough offense to last 10+ years in the league.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2011, 09:14:33 AM »

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I knew a thread was going to be started on this when I logged in this morning.

He has played in meaningless games his entire career - it's where he shines

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2011, 09:16:04 AM »

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I was happy to see him (with my own eyes, no less!) play well last night.  It is a good harbinger for his future with the Celtics.  Hopefully he gets a lot of good practice in the offseason.  I'd say hes at least 2 seasons away from contributing in a meaningful way.
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Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2011, 09:20:51 AM »

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This is the type of guy you could use to slow down crazy athletic guards like Rose. I like Bradley, and NBA bench players (Amare played 20 mins, btw) do not equal D-League players. Why so quick to disrespect the kid? It took ****' Kendrick Perkins about 5 years to be half way competent on the floor in an NBA game, but alot of people are crying now that he's gone. It takes time to develop these guys.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2011, 09:25:14 AM »

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I'd rather have him in than Arroyo, even now, without his further development. Way better defender, and while he can't handle PG duties well, neither can Carlos.  Bradley is a better shooter and finisher too.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2011, 09:25:32 AM »

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This is the type of guy you could use to slow down crazy athletic guards like Rose. I like Bradley, and NBA bench players (Amare played 20 mins, btw) do not equal D-League players. Why so quick to disrespect the kid? It took ****' Kendrick Perkins about 5 years to be half way competent on the floor in an NBA game, but alot of people are crying now that he's gone. It takes time to develop these guys.

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That's what I'm saying, he's a 20 year old rookie with crazy upside, and people are ready to burn him at the stake because they don't think he's ready yet.  Of course he's not ready yet. He's practically a baby (who can dunk on you). Give the kid time to delevop and grow an inch or two. Jesus Shuttlesworth.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2011, 09:26:29 AM »

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The biggest problem with Bradley this year (from what I could tell for the 30 minutes I saw him play before last night) was that the game was too quick for him.  You'd see it when he'd overreact on defense and commit a foul, or on offense when he'd throw a pass to where someone had just left, or get his pocket picked.

Last night was different, because the game didn't mean anything, so it was played at his speed.  Not that it wasn't up-tempo, but because there wasn't the same intensity.  And I'm okay with that.  Because despite assertions made, those aren't D-League players out there, except maybe Bradley and someone at the back of the Knicks bench.  Otherwise they were a mix of reserves and second-division starters, and 20 minutes of A'mare.  And Bradley looked as athletic and as good at basketball as any of them.  He looked like he belonged.

It was unfortunate that he was injured all camp.  I'm not certain he would have been drafted by us if it was believed he'd miss all of the preseason.  That had to set him back a lot.  But if he can adapt to the NBA enough to not be overwhelmed by it, he'll thrive.

Comparing him to Pruitt isn't fair, as Pruitt should have looked better, having at least had two more years of college than Bradley.  Comparing him to Green is fine, and there's certainly a chance he ends up like Gerald, who had a ton of talent but couldn't put it together.  There were certainly some games his rookie year when Green got in the game, and looked like he might some day win an MVP.  Obviously we know how that turned out, but here's hoping Bradley develops differently.  The verdict is out on whether it will happen, but it should also be out on whether it won't.

Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2011, 09:34:48 AM »

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The biggest problem with Bradley this year (from what I could tell for the 30 minutes I saw him play before last night) was that the game was too quick for him.  You'd see it when he'd overreact on defense and commit a foul, or on offense when he'd throw a pass to where someone had just left, or get his pocket picked.

Last night was different, because the game didn't mean anything, so it was played at his speed.  Not that it wasn't up-tempo, but because there wasn't the same intensity.  And I'm okay with that.  Because despite assertions made, those aren't D-League players out there, except maybe Bradley and someone at the back of the Knicks bench.  Otherwise they were a mix of reserves and second-division starters, and 20 minutes of A'mare.  And Bradley looked as athletic and as good at basketball as any of them.  He looked like he belonged.

It was unfortunate that he was injured all camp.  I'm not certain he would have been drafted by us if it was believed he'd miss all of the preseason.  That had to set him back a lot.  But if he can adapt to the NBA enough to not be overwhelmed by it, he'll thrive.

Comparing him to Pruitt isn't fair, as Pruitt should have looked better, having at least had two more years of college than Bradley.  Comparing him to Green is fine, and there's certainly a chance he ends up like Gerald, who had a ton of talent but couldn't put it together.  There were certainly some games his rookie year when Green got in the game, and looked like he might some day win an MVP.  Obviously we know how that turned out, but here's hoping Bradley develops differently.  The verdict is out on whether it will happen, but it should also be out on whether it won't.

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Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2011, 09:39:12 AM »

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I was not able to watch the game last night, but when looking at the box score I was happy to see Bradley put up 20. I am very surprised to read this thread and find out that essentially no one is excited over this.

Bradley is an extremely athletic combo guard that can already defend at this level, his defense is already getting better. Most people have not even started there profession of choice when they are 19 not sure why people don't believe he will grow into a good player.
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Re: Avery Bradley
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2011, 09:48:23 AM »

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This is the type of guy you could use to slow down crazy athletic guards like Rose. I like Bradley, and NBA bench players (Amare played 20 mins, btw) do not equal D-League players. Why so quick to disrespect the kid? It took ****' Kendrick Perkins about 5 years to be half way competent on the floor in an NBA game, but alot of people are crying now that he's gone. It takes time to develop these guys.
He got schooled by Rose the other night and had a hard time staying with Anthony Carter yesterday. It's a long way until you can use him to reliably stop anyone.
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