Are all laker fans this ignorant

[OsirusCeltics]

Without context, its tough to say, but I don't think its that outlandish.

I honestly feel a little uncomfortable with the idea of KG and Ray going down in history as true Celtics, the same way I feel uncomfortable with thinking of Wilt as a Laker, or Barkley as a Sun.  I love what they did, but where it was only a fraction of their career, I just don't think I look at it the same way as if they were there for most of their career.

With Pierce, obviously, he is a career Celtic, but (again, need to see the context of the comment), I can see an argument where Kobe is more integrated into Lakers history than Pierce is in Boston.

For one thing, there are the championships.  For Kobe to span two great championship runs is certainly impressive.

But, for Pierce, I think people seem to forget how much he had fallen off the radar in Boston before the Big 3 got here.  He not only became close to irrelevant in the Boston sports scene for about half the decade, he became the symbol for futility for a while.  There was a huge contingent calling for him to be traded, and with bandagegate against the Pacers being the height of it, he was just not looked on very highly among Boston sports fans.

Of course, he completely redeemed himself when the Big 3 showed up, but I am not sure I would put him in the Boston Sports pantheon, the way Kobe probably belongs in the pantheon in LA.

If I remember correctly, there was a large portion of LA fans that weren't too happy with Kobe post Shaq, and wanted him to be traded too.  Revisionist history shows that LA always wanted Kobe, and that he was the more important player than Shaq was, but when it was all happening, and LA wasn't doing much, and the Heat won a championship?  I don't think fans in LA were feeling that way.

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[LakerPete]

Well, no, Pierce hasn't been able to carry teams the same way Kobe has at times, because he's simply not as good as Kobe.

That said, without Shaq and then Pau the Lakers would not have won any championships in the last decade.  Kobe has carried his team farther into the playoffs by himself than Paul ever really did, but he's never won a championship by himself.  When Kobe retires, the Lakers might still be relevant if they still have Pau and Bynum.  Without Paul and the rest of the Big 3, the Celtics will be dog meat.

All of this is to say that I kind of get what the person is saying, but I think he's way overstating it and giving Kobe far too much credit and Paul too little.  That's not at all surprising given it's a Lakers fan talking.  Many Lakers (Kobe) fans seriously think he's potentially as good as MJ.  In other words, they are delusional.

Paul made the CF as the main player. Kobe never won a play-off series by putting a team on his back.

Kobe was the main player on 2 title winning teams, and a third that made the Finals. The Lakers have won several series' with him putting them on his back.

I've never understood why Pau is mentioned in the same breath with Shaq. Shaq is an all-time great player who was in his prime when he joined the Lakers. Pau was considered a very solid player in Memphis, but was ultimately a one time all-star in six seasons, and was never considered amongst the elite big men in the game until he put a Laker uniform on.

Very few players have ever won a title without an elite 2nd banana next to them. Where does Gasol rank amongst the following guys who were the 2nd best player on their team?

-Paul Pierce (2008)
-Manu Ginobili (2003, 2005, 2007)...2003's debatable
-Shaquille O'Neal (2006) (it could be argued it's Wade, but the point remains)
-2004 Pistons...hard to distinguish who the 2nd best player here was, as that team had 4 all-star caliber players.
-Kobe Bryant (2000-02 Lakers)
-David Robinson (1999)
-Scottie Pippen (1991-93, 1996-98)
-Clyde Drexler (1995)
-Robert Horry? (1994)...could be a number of guys here.
-1980's (Kareem, McHale, Magic, Dr. J, etc.)


Gasol's one of the weaker #2 guys on a championship winning team in the last 30 years, and yet somehow his presence is a mark against Kobe? It's strange to me.

[ManUp]

I think Kobe is overrated and Pierce is underrated, but Kobe is a better than Pierce. Add in all the championships he's helped bring to LA and yeah its totally different. Kobe is LA royalty. Imo, he's not the impact player he's made out to be, but some people think he's Jordan pt.2. Already he's won a regular season MVP and finals MVP off hype alone.

i don't get pleasure in saying this but the fact is that Kobe is right up their with the all time best, if he puts in a few more years and racks up another championship or 2 he will possibly be widely considered the best all-time.  I think this year is his best chance at a championship.  I think the fall off in ability has already begun with him and unless he catches a sudden second wind, he will be surpassed by the younger talent in the league.   

He's a great player, but the player he is and the player he's made out to be are two different things. Should he really be put ahead of Duncan on the all time players list? Duncan's achievements are much more impressive and he didn't rob anyone of an MVP. and What about Magic and Bird?

All I'm trying to say is he's not Jordan part II.

[manbehindtheman]

I think Kobe is overrated and Pierce is underrated, but Kobe is a better than Pierce. Add in all the championships he's helped bring to LA and yeah its totally different. Kobe is LA royalty. Imo, he's not the impact player he's made out to be, but some people think he's Jordan pt.2. Already he's won a regular season MVP and finals MVP off hype alone.

i don't get pleasure in saying this but the fact is that Kobe is right up their with the all time best, if he puts in a few more years and racks up another championship or 2 he will possibly be widely considered the best all-time.  I think this year is his best chance at a championship.  I think the fall off in ability has already begun with him and unless he catches a sudden second wind, he will be surpassed by the younger talent in the league.   

He's a great player, but the player he is and the player he's made out to be are two different things. Should he really be put ahead of Duncan on the all time players list? Duncan's achievements are much more impressive and he actually deserved his MVPs. What about Magic and Bird?

All I'm trying to say is he's not Jordan part II.

If I had to rank Kobe, I'd put him one notch ahead of bird/magic and one notch below Jordan. I don't know what the heck he has, but it definitely something special that no other player in the league seems to have at this time.
 Duncan is a little farther down the list.
That is how I see it. 

[OsirusCeltics]

Sportscenter has robbed basketball fans of critical thinking

[CeltsAcumen]

I live in Los Angeles and I can answer this question.

YES.

Laker fans are some of the worst fans in the history of sport, but they are better than Angel fan, who are just pathetic.

[manbehindtheman]

I live in Los Angeles and I can answer this question.

YES.

Laker fans are some of the worst fans in the history of sport, but they are better than Angel fan, who are just pathetic.

I don't understand, what is wrong with the Angel Fans.  I personally don't like the Angels much, but they appear to be better than the Dodger fans who try to kill opposing fans.

[JoT]

I live in Los Angeles and I can answer this question.

YES.

Laker fans are some of the worst fans in the history of sport, but they are better than Angel fan, who are just pathetic.

I agree. Not all are ignorant, but some are. Some fans at my school actually think he's better than Jordan and get mad when people have reasons why he's not. Also most Laker fans think anyone who doesn't like Kobe is a hater and jealous of his success. I just talked to some Laker fans a couple of minutes ago about his incident and said many players aren't too fond of his attitude. They told me, they don't like him because they're jealous of his success. Mind you I didn't even say who, but they think people are jealous of Kobe and the Lakers.
I personally find it funny though that Tim Duncan who has multiple rings from a small market team and multiple MVP awards isn't hated by many and don't have as many "haters" as Kobe.

[butterbeanlove]

No, most Faker fans are more ignorant than that.

They talk trash, but they can't even get the basic facts straight which undermines their credibility, not that they have any.

Every fan base has its embarrassments, but they are uniquely challenged.

Like the 80 percent of Fakers' fans prior to the 2008 Finals whose most cogent analysis was "DURR DURR LAKERS IN FIVE!"

More recently, I saw a tweet from some LA asshat who said he was sick of hearing that we would have won Game Seven last year with Perk, because "we blew them out in game six with Perkins."

People say living in LA reduces your brain cells by 10 percent a year. It certainly doesn't exercise them.