I wonder what Bill Russell's thoughts are on the trade

[SHAQATTACK]

Bill would say .

GET D. HOWARD ASAP...... thats what.  He has the Defensive heart to build a championship team in Boston.

D H fits the mold of a old school Celtic.

Forget more 6-8 LBJ wanna bees from college ranks ,  Celtics need a dominate , BIG MAN , as a foundation to build the next banner team.

I hope Bill will talk to him personally about being a Celtic.

[PosImpos]

Very poor?  He scored as much per minute as "offensive center" Krstic did last year, and shot a much higher percentage.  Perk knows our plays, knows where to be on the court, and knows how to set screens.  For a fifth option, he was a very efficient scorer.  Teams need those low usage types of players.

Perkins' high field goal percentage is a result of very low field goal attempts.  Also, he has a bad habit of turning the ball over before he even gets a shot off.  Perk may have scored just as much per minute as Krstic last year, but Krstic wasn't being fed by Rondo all year, either.  You ignore the fact that Krstic provides vital floor spacing on offense, which Perk could not do at all.

In other words, you can't just look at Perk's high field goal percentage and say he's a more efficient offensive player.  

Perk is a very solid role player, but he is an offensive liability.  That's all there is to it.

[LooseCannon]

Perkins was an acceptable offensive player within his range.  Perkins was an offensive liability because the range in which he was effective was tiny.

[KGDunks]

Let's wait to see how the season ends for us before judging the trade? 

[Dunn]

Perkins was an acceptable offensive player within his range.  Perkins was an offensive liability because the range in which he was effective was tiny.

Baby isn't an offensive liability and has range, how's that worked out. Fans who keep harping on how Perk's offense 1st of all do not realize Perk was often near top of field goal percentages in the league. He was our low post scoring. Last but not least it didn't matter, Perk's value was rebounding, Blocking, boxing out, lane defense, front court presence, toughness. Fans who wanna keep getting on his offense are often Glen Davis fans who mostly prefer shooting bigs with range(and no scowl), like Danny Ainge.

[Mike]

Perkins was an acceptable offensive player within his range.  Perkins was an offensive liability because the range in which he was effective was tiny.

Fans who wanna keep getting on his offense are often Glen Davis fans who mostly prefer shooting bigs with range(and no scowl), like Danny Ainge.

Are you saying that Danny Ainge prefers shooting bigs with range and no scowl, or that Danny himself had no scowl when he was a player? Because he most certainly had scowl in his playing days.

[ram]

It's questionable to say that this was still really the same "championship squad" a couple years removed from an actual championship and without any of the same bench contributors still on the team.

If we were to hold with the rationale in the quote, then Danny would never have let Posey, Powe, House, TA, or Scal go.
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The core has to remain. You can add better bench parts although I was against getting rid of all the aforementioned bench players. In this era, money dictates a lot of decisions.

This year may still work out. Shaq looked slimmer and quicker in his short return. If he is better than he was the first 1/3 of the season and JO can continue to play with vigor, I like the Celts' chances.

Fragile players are always a risk. Ask the Lakers. In addition to West, Shaq and JO, I also worry about Garnett pulling a Bynum.

[OsirusCeltics]

Of course Bill Russell would hate it
They just traded away his second coming...

[GranTur]

How can there be so much back and forth on this trade?

1. If we didn't make it we'd have no backup for Paul Pierce

That's only assuming that there were no other trades out there.  Since we were rumored to be involved in multiple discussions, including one 3-way deal with Golden State that was agreed upon, I don't think anybody can say that we couldn't have gotten a backup.

Jeff Green was the best SF available. The Celtics went and got the BEST SF available to back-up Pierce...one that has clear 3-pt range and can play three positions!

2. We upgraded our third string PG from Nate to Carlos Arroyo...

I don't really see this as an upgrade, although it's largely moot with Nate being injured.  Neither would have played much in the playoffs, assuming Delonte is healthy.

It's mildly debatable who is better, but like you said, neither will play much.

3. We have KG, Shaq, JO, Baby, Krstic, and Murphy...Kendrick does not make a big difference here...

Agree to disagree, I guess.  Perk is the best defender and is the guy most familiar with our offense and defense.  Also, Shaq has played 6 minutes since February.

KG is our best defender, not Perkins. Also, JO is a spectacular defender, shot-blocker, and charge-taker. The question with him was health but it's pretty evident that he's finally healthy and can contribute 20+ min a night no problem.

Glen Davis knows our defense very well. Krstic has done solid job considering defense is not his strength. Shaq showed himself to be a paint-patroller that really shut down other teams in the paint and made them hesitant.

4. Our problem is generally OFFENSE not DEFENSE...Perkins is a very poor offensive center.

Very poor?  He scored as much per minute as "offensive center" Krstic did last year, and shot a much higher percentage.  Perk knows our plays, knows where to be on the court, and knows how to set screens.  For a fifth option, he was a very efficient scorer.  Teams need those low usage types of players.

Lastly, and most importantly, Perkins is an offensive liability and there are no two ways about it. He's a black hole and turnover prone. It was a mystery to me why the Celtics fed Perkins the ball ever for isolation offense. The Thunder have it right: never let Perkins isolate.

Krstic has been getting to the line consistently when being fed the ball. Also, he spreads the floor which is an immeasurable bonus for this team.

Perkins was a key cog in our defense, but we have the pieces to make up for it. We needed an offensive upgrade and a back-up SF...We did that.

Also, Perkins was INJURED...Nenad Krstic was HEALTHY. On a team that has been completely haunted by injuries to big men, it's nice to have a healthy center available.

Not to mention a first round pick...meaningless for winning a championship which is the only goal right now, but still shows how smart Danny is.

[CeltsAcumen]

Two arguments I dont agree with:

1) Jeff Green was the best available SF.  This is absolutely not true.  Best available can mean different things.  Shane Battier was available and comparable to Green but the Celts could of traded for him and kept Perk.  So which team is better a Celtic with Perk and Battier or a Celtics with Green and Kristic?

2) Celtics are in the same position if they kept Perk.  Irrelevant.  Would the Celtics miss the playoffs?  No.  SO they would have a playoff team with their entire main core uninjured, enthusiastic and ready to win v. a team with no chemistry, no swagger, no reputation going up against the Knicks who believe they can win this series.  If Perk was here an upset would be unheard of.

Anyone watch the Lakers v. Thunder on Sunday?  Perk came out and punched the Lakers right in the mouth.  The rest of the Thunder just changed from rookies and inexperienced players to vets in a matter of 10 mins.  That's what Perk brings, that's what team chemistry, team toughness and believing in a single goal as a team can add to a team's playoff run.

Its sad the Celtics HAD that attitude until Ainge blew it up.

I do hope the Celts get that swagger back, but it does not look good.

[Fafnir]

Two arguments I dont agree with:

1) Jeff Green was the best available SF.  This is absolutely not true.  Best available can mean different things.  Shane Battier was available and comparable to Green but the Celts could of traded for him and kept Perk.  So which team is better a Celtic with Perk and Battier or a Celtics with Green and Kristic?

Since when is this a fact?

Memphis traded a better package for Battier than anything the C's were rumored to be offering in trades short of giving up Perkins.

[GranTur]

I'd much rather have Green than Battier anyway. We needed athleticism and offense. Plus Battier could never play the 4, where Green can play a few minutes there.

[LilRip]

Bill would say .

GET D. HOWARD ASAP...... thats what.  He has the Defensive heart to build a championship team in Boston.

D H fits the mold of a old school Celtic.

Forget more 6-8 LBJ wanna bees from college ranks ,  Celtics need a dominate , BIG MAN , as a foundation to build the next banner team.

I hope Bill will talk to him personally about being a Celtic.

watch out. some hate the prospect of us acquiring DH12, mainly because he smiles too much. i, however, would love Dwight on this team because i think he and Rondo are the best defensive players at their position.

[Tai]

Two arguments I dont agree with:

1) Jeff Green was the best available SF.  This is absolutely not true.  Best available can mean different things.  Shane Battier was available and comparable to Green but the Celts could of traded for him and kept Perk.  So which team is better a Celtic with Perk and Battier or a Celtics with Green and Kristic?

2) Celtics are in the same position if they kept Perk.  Irrelevant.  Would the Celtics miss the playoffs?  No.  SO they would have a playoff team with their entire main core uninjured, enthusiastic and ready to win v. a team with no chemistry, no swagger, no reputation going up against the Knicks who believe they can win this series.  If Perk was here an upset would be unheard of.

Anyone watch the Lakers v. Thunder on Sunday?  Perk came out and punched the Lakers right in the mouth.  The rest of the Thunder just changed from rookies and inexperienced players to vets in a matter of 10 mins.  That's what Perk brings, that's what team chemistry, team toughness and believing in a single goal as a team can add to a team's playoff run.

Its sad the Celtics HAD that attitude until Ainge blew it up.

I do hope the Celts get that swagger back, but it does not look good.

JO always did punch people in the mouth back in his Indiana days. 

Shaq, if he's healthy, can definitely haymake like no other.

[SHAQATTACK]

Look RUssell was tuff as nails and there for his team everynight.

It starts with the BIG MAN , just look at BUll and LA since their Big guys are now healthy and OKC , now that they have OUR young BIG GUY.

I haven't seen Howard have many injuries , he is healthy as a horse and LOVES to stay that way.  How many bigs stay in that shape. He will get better in every year.
 Yea he smiles while he is taking your dang head off , blocking your shot or jamming a shot down your throat.  

I don't think you'd want to make him really upset , just like Wilt or Shaq .

If he (DH) would be like a pit bull , if he played along side KG....KG would get him woreked into a Defensive frenzy that would scare the pants off the Lakers.

PLEASE DA ..........don't subject us to 10 years of Howard as  Laker and staring at the TV watching finals and wondering why not Us?