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Tanking
« on: April 11, 2011, 01:42:51 PM »

Offline heitingas

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I think it's time we tanked to hit the lottery in 2012, can't count on that clippers pick, better trade KG and get the right package, picks and expirings and/or assets.

Doc leaves, Ray opts out, Shaq opts out,BBD walks.
Green takes the qualifying offer for one year and starts at PF.

Rondo
Bradley
Pierce
Green
JO

Start bradley at SG, fill out the roster with vet minimum signings, trade JO at the deadline.

Get as high as we can in the lottery for a quick rebuild and we do already have capspace in free agency and the option to trade Rondo is there too.

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 01:57:11 PM »

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I think that may be over-reacting just a bit eh?
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 01:58:59 PM »

Offline RedsCeltics34

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I dont know about tanking. But I do believe this is our last season as a serious title contender.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 02:06:49 PM »

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Tanking? No thanks.
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 02:07:43 PM »

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Tanking worked out well for us in '97 & '07
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 02:09:36 PM »

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Quote from: RedsCeltics34 on April 11, 2011, 01:58:59 PM
I dont know about tanking. But I do believe this is our last season as a serious title contender.

My thinking is that if next season is a lockout shortened season, the Cs are again contenders.
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 02:12:26 PM »

Offline RedsCeltics34

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Quote from: Cman on April 11, 2011, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: RedsCeltics34 on April 11, 2011, 01:58:59 PM
I dont know about tanking. But I do believe this is our last season as a serious title contender.

My thinking is that if next season is a lockout shortened season, the Cs are again contenders.

Yeah, I agree with that.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 02:49:44 PM »

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Quote from: RedsCeltics34 on April 11, 2011, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: Cman on April 11, 2011, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: RedsCeltics34 on April 11, 2011, 01:58:59 PM
I dont know about tanking. But I do believe this is our last season as a serious title contender.

My thinking is that if next season is a lockout shortened season, the Cs are again contenders.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Seeing that they always start off the season firing at all cylinders, a shortened season is especially what we need.
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 02:55:29 PM »

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First option is to use those draft picks and Green to sign and trade to get someone to go with Rondo.



Second option is to trade Pierce to a contender on it's last leg (Dallas anyone) to try and get future picks. 


Third option, trade Rondo to completely rebuild. 



With option one, the Celtics could bring back KG and Ray at min type deals to go with the new star as a way to win now.  Option 2 and 3, less likely. 
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 02:59:31 PM »

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Quote from: Donoghus on April 11, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Tanking worked out well for us in '97 & '07

Well in 07 it got us the 5th pick which landed us ray allen which started a dominoe effect to get us banner 17.
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 03:01:05 PM »

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Quote from: RedsCeltics34 on April 11, 2011, 01:58:59 PM
I dont know about tanking. But I do believe this is our last season as a serious title contender.

  Yeah, for like the third year in a row.
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 03:02:19 PM »

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Quote from: Rondo2287 on April 11, 2011, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: Donoghus on April 11, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Tanking worked out well for us in '97 & '07

Well in 07 it got us the 5th pick which landed us ray allen which started a dominoe effect to get us banner 17.

Were we tanking to get the 5th pick in the draft? 
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 03:04:19 PM »

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1. The word "tanking" should be put in the swear filter.  I really can't believe anyone would be promoting this after 2007 (I know we ended up with Ray, but that was only because the tanking failed...if it succeeded, we may be arguing about whether to extend a QO to Oden right now).

2. The more relevant question is whether we should blow it up.  And I think before even considering that, we need to see how the playoffs turn out, and more importantly what happens with the CBA.  Currently, it is impossible to know the market for anything until the CBA is agreed upon.  Then, we can start weighing pros and cons.

3. Did I mention the playoffs haven't even started yet?
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2011, 03:17:38 PM »

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Quote from: Donoghus on April 11, 2011, 03:02:19 PM
Quote from: Rondo2287 on April 11, 2011, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: Donoghus on April 11, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Tanking worked out well for us in '97 & '07

Well in 07 it got us the 5th pick which landed us ray allen which started a dominoe effect to get us banner 17.

Were we tanking to get the 5th pick in the draft? 

No but you said how did tanking work for us and I told you.  I think we would have traded anything other than the 1st two picks for Ray, but thats just my opinion.  I just think its strange that you don't think it worked in 07 when so much was made of our worst to first season.
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Re: Tanking
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 03:24:07 PM »

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Quote from: Rondo2287 on April 11, 2011, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Donoghus on April 11, 2011, 03:02:19 PM
Quote from: Rondo2287 on April 11, 2011, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: Donoghus on April 11, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Tanking worked out well for us in '97 & '07

Well in 07 it got us the 5th pick which landed us ray allen which started a dominoe effect to get us banner 17.

Were we tanking to get the 5th pick in the draft? 

No but you said how did tanking work for us and I told you.  I think we would have traded anything other than the 1st two picks for Ray, but thats just my opinion.  I just think its strange that you don't think it worked in 07 when so much was made of our worst to first season.

Chris mentioned it in his post above.  The "tanking" itself failed.  The point all along was to get one of the top two picks in the '07 draft.  Tanking didn't accomplish that. We got "stuck" with the 5th pick and were able to spin it for Ray which set off a chain of events that ultimately led to Banner 17.  I'm not gonna necessarily say moving the 5th pick for Ray was a "panic move" but it was pretty much a last ditch effort to get something going.
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