Rose: With Perkins Gone, We Know We Can Beat the Celtics

[indeedproceed]

This team's problem is offense.  They lack a post presence on OFFENSE NOT on DEFENSE.  Thats still their problem.  If their jump shots arent falling they struggle to score.  That was a fact before Perk got traded and it's a fact after Perk got traded.  Their defense is fine!

The great thing about last night's game is that we sucked on both ends.  Something for everybody!

haha...

"In a world, where the Celtics traded Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green and a soft euro center, one man stood alone against the statistics and proclaimed that Danny Ainge got wicked ripped off. Roy Hobbs IS....THE LAWYER WHO KICKED THE HORNETS NEST!"

[GreenFaith1819]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness. 

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry. 

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch.  

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

[Roy H.]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness. 

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry. 

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch.  

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

Oh, yeah, for sure.  KG was the best defender on that team, and probably the best overall player.  I just don't understand the revisionist discrediting of Perk that we see around here.  He played a big role on that team.

[jbsprinter1]

Although I agree with everything Rose and Noah are saying, I want them to keep the comments coming. Next thing you know, Noah will be calling the C's soft or softer than before. That'll be GREAT for the playoffs. If you think the Celtics aren't motivated enough the beat the Bulls, watch out.

[barefacedmonk]

What's new?

Those who like this trade will still defend it...no matter what. A week or two ago, we had posts reminding us to wait and judge the team based on our performance against CHI and MIA. Well, CHI outplayed us...so now we are asked to wait until the playoffs begin...not much is going to change. Chemistry and cohesiveness of this team is gone...shipped to OKC.

Perkins was not an all star or the second coming of Bill Russell but he was a important member of this team. Hustle, chemistry, cohesion, the rapport players share in the locker room...those things will never show up on any stat sheet...but they are critical to a team's success. We had a wonderful training camp in 2007 where the team came together and bonded...if chemistry is overrated, why did the team shell out all that money to spend time in Rome?

I've watched Roy make sensible, reasonable posts on this topic a few times..only to be scoffed at, called a "hater" etc...and I expect the same kind or response to this post as well. I sincerely hope that people like me who are not enamoured by Danny's "high way robbery" act are proven wrong come playoffs...but it's not looking good for us. Not one bit.

[jv2764]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness. 

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry. 

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch.  

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

Oh, yeah, for sure.  KG was the best defender on that team, and probably the best overall player.  I just don't understand the revisionist discrediting of Perk that we see around here.  He played a big role on that team.

His offensive game REGRESSED.  Thats not acceptable when youre approaching your peak years.  To me that just shwed a lack of talent on the offensive end in his game.  He was a total liability on the offensive end and you just cant have that when your PG cant shoot either.

[Fafnir]

What's new?

Those who like this trade will still defend it...no matter what. A week or two ago, we had posts reminding us to wait and judge the team based on our performance against CHI and MIA. Well, CHI outplayed us...so now we are asked to wait until the playoffs begin...not much is going to change. Chemistry and cohesiveness of this team is gone...shipped to OKC.

Perkins was not an all star or the second coming of Bill Russell but he was a important member of this team. Hustle, chemistry, cohesion, the rapport players share in the locker room...those things will never show up on any stat sheet...but they are critical to a team's success. We had a wonderful training camp in 2007 where the team came together and bonded...if chemistry is overrated, why did the team shell out all that money to spend time in Rome?

I've watched Roy make sensible, reasonable posts on this topic a few times..only to be scoffed at, called a "hater" etc...and I expect the same kind or response to this post as well. I sincerely hope that people like me who are not enamoured by Danny's "high way robbery" act are proven wrong come playoffs...but it's not looking good for us. Not one bit.

Many of us who point that its the play of the entire team not just the C position also get scoffed at.

[Roy H.]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness.  

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry.  

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch.  

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

Oh, yeah, for sure.  KG was the best defender on that team, and probably the best overall player.  I just don't understand the revisionist discrediting of Perk that we see around here.  He played a big role on that team.

His offensive game REGRESSED.  Thats not acceptable when youre approaching your peak years.  To me that just shwed a lack of talent on the offensive end in his game.  He was a total liability on the offensive end and you just cant have that when your PG cant shoot either.

Agree to disagree, I guess.  Perk averaged 10 points on 60% shooting last year.  As a fifth option, that's pretty good production, I think; nobody was asking him to be our primary scorer.

Also, you're underrating the importance of knowing the offense, getting to the right spots, setting screens, etc.  Again, though, if you didn't think Perk had an value on offense after watching him for several seasons, I doubt you're going to change your mind much, now.  At least we have offensively gifted players like Krstic to take the sting away.

[Prof. Clutch]

Ya see, the funny thing is I think this talk that we're suddenly "not tough" just because Perkins isn't on the roster now is silly.  "Tough" has a lot of depth to it, and more often than not it wasn't physical toughness that made the Celtics great the last few years (although it of course helped,)  it was mental toughness that carried the team to victory in the most difficult situations.

Our starting line-up is still made up of players with considerable mental toughness, and they shouldn't be counted out.

Have we looked softer on the inside without Perk?  Yes, there's no denying that.  But we're also trotting out a Center combo of Nenad (definitely not a shot blocker/strong defensive rebounder) and Baby (who gives us no interior length) for the majority of our minutes at that spot.  In the playoffs those minutes go to Shaq, one of the most physically domineering players in the league, and Jermaine, who only played 17 minutes last night.

[BballTim]

What's new?

Those who like this trade will still defend it...no matter what. A week or two ago, we had posts reminding us to wait and judge the team based on our performance against CHI and MIA. Well, CHI outplayed us...so now we are asked to wait until the playoffs begin...not much is going to change. Chemistry and cohesiveness of this team is gone...shipped to OKC.

  I was never hugely in favor of or opposed to the trade, but I can't believe that a team that was arguably the best team in the league for months while Perk was injured lost all of their chemistry and cohesiveness when they traded him.

[stylo617617]

lets see what shaq has to say to rose if we face them come playoff time

[Fafnir]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness. 

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry. 

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch. 

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

Oh, yeah, for sure.  KG was the best defender on that team, and probably the best overall player.  I just don't understand the revisionist discrediting of Perk that we see around here.  He played a big role on that team.

His offensive game REGRESSED.  Thats not acceptable when youre approaching your peak years.  To me that just shwed a lack of talent on the offensive end in his game.  He was a total liability on the offensive end and you just cant have that when your PG cant shoot either.

Agree to disagree, I guess.  Perk averaged 10 points on 60% shooting last year.  As a fifth option, that's pretty good production, I think; nobody was asking him to be our primary scorer.

He regressed over the course of the second half of last season. I think that was mostly when his knee started to bother him.

Then in the playoffs his offense deserted him entirely 5.7 PPG in the playoffs. Perkins was showing real promise offensively last year, but it proved to be a brief flash.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/perkike01/splits/2010/

[jv2764]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness.  

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry.  

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch.  

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

Oh, yeah, for sure.  KG was the best defender on that team, and probably the best overall player.  I just don't understand the revisionist discrediting of Perk that we see around here.  He played a big role on that team.

His offensive game REGRESSED.  Thats not acceptable when youre approaching your peak years.  To me that just shwed a lack of talent on the offensive end in his game.  He was a total liability on the offensive end and you just cant have that when your PG cant shoot either.

Agree to disagree, I guess.  Perk averaged 10 points on 60% shooting last year.  As a fifth option, that's pretty good production, I think; nobody was asking him to be our primary scorer.

Also, you're underrating the importance of knowing the offense, getting to the right spots, setting screens, etc.  Again, though, if you didn't think Perk had an value on offense after watching him for several seasons, I doubt you're going to change your mind much, now.  At least we have offensively gifted players like Krstic to take the sting away.

Dont go by the numbers only.  Go with your eyes and what you saw.  If you seriously dont think his offensive game regressed then I guess we were watching two different guys play.  His hands and footworked regressed.  He was the master of coming down with the ball and pump faking.  Thats unacceptable

[jv2764]

Wow who knew Perk was the Celts MVP the last 3 years.  All this talk is such foolishness. 

Perk wasn't MVP, although he absolutely was one of this team's leaders.  His presence is missed, both on and off the court.  We've lost a lot of our intimidation factor among other teams, and we've lost a lot of our internal chemistry. 

Obviously, Perk wasn't the only important piece on this team, but he was certainly one of them.

Hell PJ brown brought more to that 2008 playoff run than Perk did.  Watch OKC flame in the playoffs.  Just watch. 

See, this is the anti-Perk bias that I just don't understand.

Perk was our leading shot-blocker and second best rebounder during our title run, and played good defense.  P.J. was a good role player, but outside of one big play, his contributions were dwarfed by Perk's.

That's true Roy, but KG won the Defensive Player of the Year award that year.

Perk was certainly important that year, but KG carried the team defensively. Perk was huge, too - but KG rubbed off on Perk, not the other way around, IMO. KG's presence allowed Perk to be effective, too.

Oh, yeah, for sure.  KG was the best defender on that team, and probably the best overall player.  I just don't understand the revisionist discrediting of Perk that we see around here.  He played a big role on that team.

His offensive game REGRESSED.  Thats not acceptable when youre approaching your peak years.  To me that just shwed a lack of talent on the offensive end in his game.  He was a total liability on the offensive end and you just cant have that when your PG cant shoot either.

Agree to disagree, I guess.  Perk averaged 10 points on 60% shooting last year.  As a fifth option, that's pretty good production, I think; nobody was asking him to be our primary scorer.

He regressed over the course of the second half of last season. I think that was mostly when his knee started to bother him.

Then in the playoffs his offense deserted him entirely 5.7 PPG in the playoffs. Perkins was showing real promise offensively last year, but it proved to be a brief flash.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/perkike01/splits/2010/

Amen and thank you

[barefacedmonk]

Our improved offense doesn't scare the Bulls?