"Hiding" Bibby

[mc34]

We all know Bibby can't defend quick point guards (ahem, Rondo) to save his life. Miami always puts Bibby on the other team's shooting guard when there's a tough point guard matchup. How does Miami plan on hiding Bibby against us? By having him chase Ray around screens? Isn't this almost just as bad as putting him on Rondo? I'm just surprised that no one seems to have mentioned this, either I'm missing something or this is a huge, HUGE advantage for us

[go11celtics]

I'd assume you'll just see a lot more mike miller, and when bibby is in he'll probably just give rondo the jumper and make him take it, but you're right, definite advantage for us.

[Who]

They can't hide Mike Bibby. Not against Rondo, not against Ray and not against Delonte.

The Celtics will have an advantage whenever Bibby is the game.

[2short]

One reason why I thought miami was stupid to dump arroyo and bring in bibby.
My assumption is he'll guard rondo and sag really far off him, like give rondo top of key jumpers.  At this point in his career he can't guard ray or rondo.  Whoever wade gets hopefully the celts work him so end of game wade shows signs of tiring.
got me thinking about when rondo comes out and dwest goes in, he's a better guard than bibby and bibby can't guard him either
 

[Fafnir]

They can't hide Mike Bibby. Not against Rondo, not against Ray and not against Delonte.

The Celtics will have an advantage whenever Bibby is the game.

According to the on and off court metrics Bibby has been destroying their defensive efficiency.

Meanwhile he's only scoring a bit more than Chalmers, and turning it over slightly less than him. So marginal improvement on offense for a massive downgrade defensively.

[Dr H]

One reason why I thought miami was stupid to dump arroyo and bring in bibby.
My assumption is he'll guard rondo and sag really far off him, like give rondo top of key jumpers.  At this point in his career he can't guard ray or rondo.  Whoever wade gets hopefully the celts work him so end of game wade shows signs of tiring.
got me thinking about when rondo comes out and dwest goes in, he's a better guard than bibby and bibby can't guard him either
 

This post reminded me of how Wade openly admitted chasing Ray around those 3 games we played them so far REALLY tired him out. I wonder if Miami thinks it would be beneficial to them to put Bibby on Ray more often to keep Wade more "fresh"?

Also, does anyone know or can someone point me in the right direction to find out the stats of: Rondo vs Bibby and Ray vs Bibby, just for curiosity's sake.

[2short]

One reason why I thought miami was stupid to dump arroyo and bring in bibby.
My assumption is he'll guard rondo and sag really far off him, like give rondo top of key jumpers.  At this point in his career he can't guard ray or rondo.  Whoever wade gets hopefully the celts work him so end of game wade shows signs of tiring.
got me thinking about when rondo comes out and dwest goes in, he's a better guard than bibby and bibby can't guard him either
 

This post reminded me of how Wade openly admitted chasing Ray around those 3 games we played them so far REALLY tired him out. I wonder if Miami thinks it would be beneficial to them to put Bibby on Ray more often to keep Wade more "fresh"?

Also, does anyone know or can someone point me in the right direction to find out the stats of: Rondo vs Bibby and Ray vs Bibby, just for curiosity's sake.

bibby on ray = 50 pts
to me bibby is a good backup at this point, spoelstra (?) is going to have to do some good coaching to make up for his defeciencies

[Fafnir]

One reason why I thought miami was stupid to dump arroyo and bring in bibby.
My assumption is he'll guard rondo and sag really far off him, like give rondo top of key jumpers.  At this point in his career he can't guard ray or rondo.  Whoever wade gets hopefully the celts work him so end of game wade shows signs of tiring.
got me thinking about when rondo comes out and dwest goes in, he's a better guard than bibby and bibby can't guard him either
 

This post reminded me of how Wade openly admitted chasing Ray around those 3 games we played them so far REALLY tired him out. I wonder if Miami thinks it would be beneficial to them to put Bibby on Ray more often to keep Wade more "fresh"?

Also, does anyone know or can someone point me in the right direction to find out the stats of: Rondo vs Bibby and Ray vs Bibby, just for curiosity's sake.

If Wade got tired guarding Ray off the ball, he'll get just as tired guarding Rondo. Unless the Heat totally abandon any sort of ball pressure (which would be nice too)

[StartOrien]

I think against the Celtics, the Heat would give most the minutes to Mario Chalmers. Bibby's other abilities don't counter his deficincies against the Celtics.

[Who]

One reason why I thought miami was stupid to dump arroyo and bring in bibby.
My assumption is he'll guard rondo and sag really far off him, like give rondo top of key jumpers.  At this point in his career he can't guard ray or rondo.  Whoever wade gets hopefully the celts work him so end of game wade shows signs of tiring.
got me thinking about when rondo comes out and dwest goes in, he's a better guard than bibby and bibby can't guard him either
 

This post reminded me of how Wade openly admitted chasing Ray around those 3 games we played them so far REALLY tired him out. I wonder if Miami thinks it would be beneficial to them to put Bibby on Ray more often to keep Wade more "fresh"?

Also, does anyone know or can someone point me in the right direction to find out the stats of: Rondo vs Bibby and Ray vs Bibby, just for curiosity's sake.

bibby on ray = 50 pts
to me bibby is a good backup at this point, spoelstra (?) is going to have to do some good coaching to make up for his defeciencies

I don't think Bibby is a good backup. He is just a liability as a regular rotation player.

A serviceable third string PG ... his defense is simply too bad and his offense too limited for him to be a positive contributor to his team on a regular basis.

[csfansince60s]

Why Miami went for him ("big names" and name recognition are obviously huge for them), when Bibby's cousin was already on the team in virtually the same role, boggles my mind, especially when they had Arroyo who has a far better handle and wasn't horrible by any means shooting 3s.

Good for the Cs, bad for the Heat. Loved it when it happened. Love it more now!

[GreenEnvy]

Miami will have a real difficult time successfully defending Rondo AND Ray. Wade is a good/great defender, but both Rondo and Ray are two of the most uniquely challenging players to guard. Obviously he can only defend one, and he will have his hands full with either. Whoever he isn't guarding should light up their defender.

On the other end, Ray will have a difficult time defending Wade, but Delonte should help immensely (as TA did last year). Just don't leave Bibby wide open and he won't hurt you.

[fairweatherfan]

This is an interesting topic.  I think if Miami is smart they'll go big with Wade, Miller, LeBron, Bosh, and whoever at center.  Even Wade will struggle guarding Rondo, and this still gives us an advantage with whoever Miller has to guard (Ray or Pierce) but they won't be running around trying to help on Bibby's man for the whole series.

That said, I don't know if Miami is that smart, so they'll probably just play Chalmers a bit more once we chew up Bibby for a game or two.

[CelticHooligan3]

Something to add to this equation is the fact mike miller seems to be hobbling around. Dragging his leg a bit. He went down about a week ago with an ankle or knee injury but came back. I'm just wondering if anyone else has noticed him limping lately.

Maybe it's affecting him somewhat or maybe he's just disinterested on offense since he hardly gets any looks his way. Either way I noticed it on offense as I watched the heat game last night.

[housecall]

Now that Chalmers is back from injuries i think we will see more Chalmers than Bibby.He will become more situational and if they are in a close game toward the end of games.Chalmers is a much better defensive player and can hit the 3pt shot with almost as much regularity as Bibby.I know Bibby has shot close to 50%lately from the three but thats not going to last. Knowing that Chalmers would be returning soon made Bibby's shortcomings(no pun intended)insignificant to bring up.