Perk played GREAT tonight

[StartOrien]

i wonder what it would've been like if we had gotten Green-Krstic for Baby-Nate...

we'd have Perk starting, no mopey Rondo and Green getting a lot of minutes as a backup 3/4.

I wonder that based off of what the team has, if Ainge valued Big Baby more than Perk.

OKC would not have done that trade, so it's a moot point. They wanted Perk - he was their prize.

Well we don't know that for sure, but I'd tend to agree.

I still stand by my prior statement though: For this team, I do believe that Ainge values Big Baby more than Perk. And I'd agree. Again, just based off what we have at the 5 (the O'Neal brothers) and at the 4 (a ham sandwich)

[Roy H.]

i wonder what it would've been like if we had gotten Green-Krstic for Baby-Nate...

we'd have Perk starting, no mopey Rondo and Green getting a lot of minutes as a backup 3/4.

I wonder that based off of what the team has, if Ainge valued Big Baby more than Perk.

OKC would not have done that trade, so it's a moot point. They wanted Perk - he was their prize.

Well we don't know that for sure, but I'd tend to agree.

I still stand by my prior statement though: For this team, I do believe that Ainge values Big Baby more than Perk. And I'd agree. Again, just based off what we have at the 5 (the O'Neal brothers) and at the 4 (a ham sandwich)

I don't know.  I think if both options were on the table, Danny would have parted with BBD, and would have relied upon Green and Murphy to fill in at PF. 

The fact is, Perk is a much better and more valuable NBA player than BBD, and I don't think Danny would have let perceived roster issues get in the way of keeping the vastly better player.

Of course, OKC would have felt the same way, which is why Perk is gone, and BBD isn't.

[kozlodoev]

The Thunder didn't need Davis. They needed Perkins. I will be surprised if such an offer was ever on the table.

[Eja117]

Perk being Perk. Kicking ass and taking names

edit: A Perkins Thread not in Celtics Related section, ouch.......

A little bit like watching your ex-GF on a date with some other guy, huh?

Yeah. And then you look at your new girlfriend and it's Nenad Krstic.

ouch

Nah...The new girlfriend is Jeff Green, Nenad is just the sidekick pooch that came with the new girlfriend.

There, feeling better already ?

I don't think this is working out?

It's not you. It's me? No wait. It's you.

Where do you really see this going?

I think we made a mistake?

I'm not right for you?

[StartOrien]

I don't know.  I think if both options were on the table, Danny would have parted with BBD, and would have relied upon Green and Murphy to fill in at PF. 

The fact is, Perk is a much better and more valuable NBA player than BBD, and I don't think Danny would have let perceived roster issues get in the way of keeping the vastly better player.

Of course, OKC would have felt the same way, which is why Perk is gone, and BBD isn't.

I respectfully disagree.

I know I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a frontcourt of:

O'Neal/O'Neal/Kristic
KG/ BBD/ Green / Murphy

then I do w/

Perkins/O'Neal/O'Neal
KG/ Green / Murphy

I like Murphy, and think/hope he'll turn it around. But at that point you go from hoping to get a contribution to needing one.

[ScoobyDoo]

TP MBz. I know some people rate our defense based on points per possession or something and give us a rating of 103.6 or something since the trade where we were 99. something before the trade, etc...

To be honest, the only number I'm interested in seeing is how many points does the other team score every night. And if we are only allowing roughly 88.9 points per game for the other team, that has to be league leading. I think our defense is fine.

I agree with you re our offense and I think the answer to our current problems are very simple and I stated it in another post - it's the lack of the "right" big man / men in the middle for us. As someone else said correctly on this post, we don't have that enforcer right now, our swag is a little down and teams are pounding us in the paint.

Getting a Shaq / JO combo back for a combined rough minute total of 25-30 a night would do "wonders" for this team in several key areas:

1. It would just give us that "big goon in the middle" enforcer threat.

2. It wil then allow KG to do what he does best - be an active, finesse help defender, rather than having to wrestle with the other bigs all night, every night.

3. If we are holding teams to 88 a night with no interior intimidation right now, getting that enforcer presence back could make our D scary good.

4. It will also open up our offense.

5. KG and Pierce will be rejuvenated - an go on a tear.

6. Krstic can focus on being an effective 2nd or 3rd string offensive guy.

7. Our rebounding will improve  

8. Our physicality will improve greatly.

9. We'll get markedly deeper

10. It will be a whole trickle down effect.

The biggest key though is it will help our offense tremendously. We are actually doing quikte well defensively, especially considering we have no enforcer in the middle.

[StartOrien]

Agreed on all accounts Scooby.

Can I ask, is your username an omage to the cartoon or is it by chance a reference to Joe Forte's wardrobe? (i'm praying for the latter)

EDIT: From hoopedia

His most memorable moment with the Celtics came when he wore a Scooby-Doo shirt on the sidelines during the playoffs

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Joseph_Forte

[BballTim]

Agreed on all accounts Scooby.

Can I ask, is your username an omage to the cartoon or is it by chance a reference to Joe Forte's wardrobe? (i'm praying for the latter)

EDIT: From hoopedia

His most memorable moment with the Celtics came when he wore a Scooby-Doo shirt on the sidelines during the playoffs

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Joseph_Forte

  Boy, talk about the halls of obscurity...

[LilRip]

i wonder what it would've been like if we had gotten Green-Krstic for Baby-Nate...

we'd have Perk starting, no mopey Rondo and Green getting a lot of minutes as a backup 3/4.

I wonder that based off of what the team has, if Ainge valued Big Baby more than Perk.

OKC would not have done that trade, so it's a moot point. They wanted Perk - he was their prize.

Well we don't know that for sure, but I'd tend to agree.

I still stand by my prior statement though: For this team, I do believe that Ainge values Big Baby more than Perk. And I'd agree. Again, just based off what we have at the 5 (the O'Neal brothers) and at the 4 (a ham sandwich)

I don't know.  I think if both options were on the table, Danny would have parted with BBD, and would have relied upon Green and Murphy to fill in at PF. 

The fact is, Perk is a much better and more valuable NBA player than BBD, and I don't think Danny would have let perceived roster issues get in the way of keeping the vastly better player.

Of course, OKC would have felt the same way, which is why Perk is gone, and BBD isn't.

i actually just posted that as sort of "wishful thinking".  i too am in the camp that thinks that this deal wouldn't have gotten done if Perk wasn't included, although i would've loved a BBD-Nate for Green/Krstic trade! haha
 

[European NBA fan]

@Scooby-Doo:

Some very good points. I would add one more thing: One of the reasons our defense is doing "fine" despite of missing a physical center, is that the other players work their butt off. In stead of having a big guy clogging the lane and taking rebounds, they have to move to adjust a whole lot more. This spills into offense, since we can't play with that intensity AND run up and down the floor with our semi-old guys.

[Section301]

A piece that someone already touched on is that Perk's contributions to defense made it easier on the other four players, leaving them with  more energy at the offensive end.

Another point which hasn't been raised is that while Perk undoubtedly had his offensive shortcomings, he also set some [dang] fine (if occasionally illegal) screens.  That sort of thing doesn't show up in the boxscore, but goes a long way toward freeing up the real scorers by giving them the extra half step they need to get their shot off.  That is likely a contributing reason as to why they look so stagnant in the half-court offense. 

[SHAQATTACK]

I thought winning a championship is the NO. 1 objective.  I wonder why would you throw away your best shot for another banner #18 just to get the most value out of a player.

If he (PERK) was undercontract , why ditch him until after the season. If winning is your goal, why throw out an important piece of the clog.

Heck....WE needed Perkins talents or the steady inside "D" everybit as bad as OKC. I just go crazy thinking how stupid this trade really was ...if you really wanted to win it all this year..

TO me keeping Perk and getting another backup for PP were mutually exclusive.  Get the best backup to replace MD as possible was a priority , but not at the expensive of best center.

If the C's hang #18 ,I 'll be happiest guy alive and  the first to eat my hat.

[jambr380]

I don't know.  I think if both options were on the table, Danny would have parted with BBD, and would have relied upon Green and Murphy to fill in at PF. 

The fact is, Perk is a much better and more valuable NBA player than BBD, and I don't think Danny would have let perceived roster issues get in the way of keeping the vastly better player.

Of course, OKC would have felt the same way, which is why Perk is gone, and BBD isn't.

I respectfully disagree.

I know I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a frontcourt of:

O'Neal/O'Neal/Kristic
KG/ BBD/ Green / Murphy

then I do w/

Perkins/O'Neal/O'Neal
KG/ Green / Murphy

I like Murphy, and think/hope he'll turn it around. But at that point you go from hoping to get a contribution to needing one.

Davis has proven he is a good player in the Celtics system, but by no means does he have even half of the value of Perk on the open market. OKC has been searching for ways to get Ibaka more playing time, why would they trade a better player in Green for a worse player in Davis? I get that we also got a 1st rounder and maybe that's the difference people are talking about, but OKC has been rumored to be wanting Perk for a while now. When has there ever been interest in Davis.

Davis is just not going to get more than 4 mill as a FA and we already saw what Perk got (and that's probably a little low).

[barefacedmonk]

I think Roy had mentioned something about OKC's team defense last night only to be laughed off by some other poster..so, I found this little piece interesting...basically says the same thing as a few others here have been talking about:

if the Thunder challenge the Spurs, Lakers and Mavericks for the Western Conference crown this season, they’ll have to do in inside.

And that means they’ll need more of what they got from Kendrick Perkins and Serge Ibaka in last night’s win over Portland that clinched their second consecutive playoff berth. The two Thunder bigs came up with clutch, back-to-back blocks at the rim in the final minute of a tight game (above), setting the stage for Westbrook to finish the Trail Blazers off with big shots in the final 53 seconds.

“They do a good job protecting the basket,” Thunder coach Scott Brooks told the Oklahoman. “They compliment each other very well.”

While blockbuster trade-deadline deals in other places have yet to provide the desired results (ahem, sorry New York), the Thunder have seen the fruits of general manager Sam Presti‘s front office labor. Perkins was declared a perfect fit by many of us that grade these things immediately, and he’s proved to be exactly that.

Link

[StartOrien]

I don't know.  I think if both options were on the table, Danny would have parted with BBD, and would have relied upon Green and Murphy to fill in at PF. 

The fact is, Perk is a much better and more valuable NBA player than BBD, and I don't think Danny would have let perceived roster issues get in the way of keeping the vastly better player.

Of course, OKC would have felt the same way, which is why Perk is gone, and BBD isn't.

I respectfully disagree.

I know I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a frontcourt of:

O'Neal/O'Neal/Kristic
KG/ BBD/ Green / Murphy

then I do w/

Perkins/O'Neal/O'Neal
KG/ Green / Murphy

I like Murphy, and think/hope he'll turn it around. But at that point you go from hoping to get a contribution to needing one.

Davis has proven he is a good player in the Celtics system, but by no means does he have even half of the value of Perk on the open market. OKC has been searching for ways to get Ibaka more playing time, why would they trade a better player in Green for a worse player in Davis? I get that we also got a 1st rounder and maybe that's the difference people are talking about, but OKC has been rumored to be wanting Perk for a while now. When has there ever been interest in Davis.

Davis is just not going to get more than 4 mill as a FA and we already saw what Perk got (and that's probably a little low).

I think you might've missed my point earlier, I was discussing value to the Celtics not financial value.

I recognize the difference in skill between the two (Perkins being the better commodity), but I would argue that based off of who we have at the 5 (O'Neal Brothers & Krstic) and the 4 (Green, Murphy) that Davis presents more value despite not being as talented.

The point is moot, as I'm fairly confident OKC woudln't have made the deal with Davis. I guess I was just trying to drum up a conversation.