JG better post player then anyone in miami

[Fafnir]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyone loves Green running the floor with Rondo, but you want to complain about him not crashing the defensive boards with the other big(s)? He can't do both, and considering he may be our best breakaway player and weakest rebounding "big," I prefer him doing what he has been doing, running.

You most certainly can get defensive rebounds and also run the fast break.

[GreenEnvy]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyone loves Green running the floor with Rondo, but you want to complain about him not crashing the defensive boards with the other big(s)? He can't do both, and considering he may be our best breakaway player and weakest rebounding "big," I prefer him doing what he has been doing, running.

You most certainly can get defensive rebounds and also run the fast break.

And be out in front on the break? I'm sorry, I haven't caught many of Usain Bolt's basketball games in Kingston.

[Fafnir]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyone loves Green running the floor with Rondo, but you want to complain about him not crashing the defensive boards with the other big(s)? He can't do both, and considering he may be our best breakaway player and weakest rebounding "big," I prefer him doing what he has been doing, running.

You most certainly can get defensive rebounds and also run the fast break.

And be out in front on the break? I'm sorry, I haven't caught many of Usain Bolt's basketball games in Kingston.

Since when is it a binary thing to run the break, and also get rebounds over the course of 20 plus minutes in a game where you'll have what 40 or so possessions?

You're not supposed to run out for a layup every time a shot goes up, unless you are the Atlanta Hawks I suppose. Depending on rotation, where the ball is shot, and his floor position Green should be getting more defensive rebounds than he has been. I'm not really worried about it, I think its a blip statistically, but the fact that he's running the break shouldn't change what rebounding expectations we have out of our SF/PF.

[Megatron]

Why are we talking about a 3's rebounding?

Greens job isnt to rebound, hes outmatched at PF everytime he plays, hes a true 3, rebounding is never going to be one of his strengths, just need to let it go.

[birdwatcher]

JG with the Celts: 23mpg/11.2ppg/51% FG/38% 3FG, 1.2 3apg

with OC: 37mpg/15.2ppg/44% FG/30% 3FG, 3.8 3apg

His rebounding/assists are down but that isn't his job. He's getting the easy transition baskets and posting up. He's only shooting the 3 when he is wide open.

Well, he is going to be seeing minutes at the 4 if we don't get the O'Neal's back...which means that is going to be a major part of his job

Even at the three, I'm not sure that it's an excuse to say that it's not somebody's job to rebound.  Every player on the court is asked to secure defensive rebounds, and Green has been very poor in that regard.

It's a weakness.  It doesn't need to be overblown to overshadow the good things Green is contributing, but it's also something that shouldn't just be explained away like "he's not asked to rebound". 

Good point, Roy. I will say though that at G'town he was a "point forward" who did everything for that team that KG does for the C's now. He was an average rebounder in college (6+ college career), but he did everything above average, except shoot the 3.

[GreenEnvy]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyone loves Green running the floor with Rondo, but you want to complain about him not crashing the defensive boards with the other big(s)? He can't do both, and considering he may be our best breakaway player and weakest rebounding "big," I prefer him doing what he has been doing, running.

You most certainly can get defensive rebounds and also run the fast break.

And be out in front on the break? I'm sorry, I haven't caught many of Usain Bolt's basketball games in Kingston.

Since when is it a binary thing to run the break, and also get rebounds over the course of 20 plus minutes in a game where you'll have what 40 or so possessions?

You're not supposed to run out for a layup every time a shot goes up, unless you are the Atlanta Hawks I suppose. Depending on rotation, where the ball is shot, and his floor position Green should be getting more defensive rebounds than he has been. I'm not really worried about it, I think its a blip statistically, but the fact that he's running the break shouldn't change what rebounding expectations we have out of our SF/PF.

Sure he should run whenever possible. Doc likes this team running. The starters slow the game down enough, let the second unit run. Of Green is playing the 4, that likely means Pierce is at the 3, and I'd rather him rebounding, as he is a better rebounder and a great trailer.

Green belongs in the open floor as opposed to getting tangled up for boards with bigger, better rebounder (IMO). It would be nice of he was ripping down 6-7 boards in 20mpg, but he's just not that kind of player/rebounder. So use him where he shines.

[Interceptor]

Green's defensive rebounding doesn't matter unless it hurts the team's rebounding, and it hasn't, so I'm fine with the guy playing to his strengths elsewhere.  If that means running the break with Rondo, go for it.  I think that GreenEnvy makes a good point, here.

[KG Living Legend]

 Tp GreenEnvy solid points.

[OsirusCeltics]

Jeff Green has a better post game than Perkins

[Celtics18]

Jeff Green has a bigger butt than Chris Bosh.

[jambr380]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyone loves Green running the floor with Rondo, but you want to complain about him not crashing the defensive boards with the other big(s)? He can't do both, and considering he may be our best breakaway player and weakest rebounding "big," I prefer him doing what he has been doing, running.

You most certainly can get defensive rebounds and also run the fast break.

And be out in front on the break? I'm sorry, I haven't caught many of Usain Bolt's basketball games in Kingston.

Since when is it a binary thing to run the break, and also get rebounds over the course of 20 plus minutes in a game where you'll have what 40 or so possessions?

You're not supposed to run out for a layup every time a shot goes up, unless you are the Atlanta Hawks I suppose. Depending on rotation, where the ball is shot, and his floor position Green should be getting more defensive rebounds than he has been. I'm not really worried about it, I think its a blip statistically, but the fact that he's running the break shouldn't change what rebounding expectations we have out of our SF/PF.

I agree with you...tp

While I am nowhere near NBA caliber, rebounding and running the floor as a small forward have probably been the two strongest facets of my game. Now that I am in my 30s, I just have to work that much harder to get down the floor. It is about positioning and if you 'really' have a chance for the rebound. If it is on the opposite side and it appears one of your teammates is going to get it, you hustle your butt off.

With all of this being said, I really do like Jeff Green and am always excited to see what he will bring to each game.

[jimmywolfrey]

JG with the Celts: 23mpg/11.2ppg/51% FG/38% 3FG, 1.2 3apg

with OC: 37mpg/15.2ppg/44% FG/30% 3FG, 3.8 3apg

His rebounding/assists are down but that isn't his job. He's getting the easy transition baskets and posting up. He's only shooting the 3 when he is wide open.

Well, he is going to be seeing minutes at the 4 if we don't get the O'Neal's back...which means that is going to be a major part of his job

Even at the three, I'm not sure that it's an excuse to say that it's not somebody's job to rebound.  Every player on the court is asked to secure defensive rebounds, and Green has been very poor in that regard.

It's a weakness.  It doesn't need to be overblown to overshadow the good things Green is contributing, but it's also something that shouldn't just be explained away like "he's not asked to rebound". 

Good point, Roy. I will say though that at G'town he was a "point forward" who did everything for that team that KG does for the C's now. He was an average rebounder in college (6+ college career), but he did everything above average, except shoot the 3.

TP to this...

He is a Point Forward if I have ever seen one.  That is his game.  He is not a 4.  Don't expect him to be a great rebounder out of the 4 spot.  He is a good defender at the 3.  He is a good defender at the 4 too, but only against guys that don't over match him strength wise.    Paul Pierce is really blocking him from being his true self with the Celtics.  We see him play alot better when he gets to play Pierce's spot.   We will have to accept that and we should look to transition Pierce out and Green in over the next few years. 

Pierce is and probably will always be a shot maker so I am not saying that we need to bench him or trade him or whatever.  But we need to try to put more of the focus on Jeff Green and his development as one of 'the players' for our future.

[mgent]

Uh, original poster, what the heck are you talking about??

Bosh is a MUCH better post player, actually an elite post player, and you somehow think Jeff Green is better?

Your post is indefensible by any measure. Take off your green goggles

Bosh an elite post player? Can i have some of what youre smoking? Bosh is primarily a jump shooter. mainly the reason he has been called soft all year and the heat have been called out for having no post presence is the fact that Bosh lacks the post play they need.

To jump on this 75% of Bosh's shots are jump shots.

True, he's primarily a jump shooter, especially on the Heat.  But that doesn't mean he's not an excellent post player and definitely better than Jeff Green.

[crownsy]

Uh, original poster, what the heck are you talking about??

Bosh is a MUCH better post player, actually an elite post player, and you somehow think Jeff Green is better?

Your post is indefensible by any measure. Take off your green goggles

Bosh an elite post player? Can i have some of what youre smoking? Bosh is primarily a jump shooter. mainly the reason he has been called soft all year and the heat have been called out for having no post presence is the fact that Bosh lacks the post play they need.

To jump on this 75% of Bosh's shots are jump shots.

True, he's primarily a jump shooter, especially on the Heat.  But that doesn't mean he's not an excellent post player and definitely better than Jeff Green.

So was he excellent at georgia tech?

Because i never though he was very special in Toronto. He has a nice turnaround jumper Ala KG and his athleticism allows him to put it on the floor and burn a ton of 4's, but when i think Chris Bosh, low post game is not among the top things that flash to mind.

I think he is better than Jeff Green, but that's more a function of JG being pretty average than Bosh being "excellent"

[crownsy]

Jeff Green has a better post game than Perkins

So do I and i would be willing to bet a good portion of this board  

Minus the dunking of course.