The Future at Center, Who is it?

[tyrone biggums]

I find it amazing that people are saying they believe Danny Ainge when he said he thought we couldn't afford Perk, and then turn around and say Dwight Howard is option 1A and then say Danny never lied and I'm just paranoid and looking for attention or something

I picked Krstic.  I mean he's a starter in this league

Nice agenda you got there. It's getting tired. Again with the wild comparisons. Would you rather have Perkins or Howard? If Ainge signed Perkins to a long-term deal there's no way the Celtics go after Howard. I just thank God that you're not the GM.

This post would be much more enjoyable with the comments in bold removed.

oh please, the guy goes into every thread and posts the exact same thing and he clearly has no knowledge of how salaries work in the NBA, but that doesn't stop him. Try reading what other posters say , take it in, think about it, you might be able to learn something about why we couldn't afford Perk( it's not being financially responsible to keep him ) and will be in the running for Howard. Instead he just pushes forth with this Perk nonsense.

Perk's and Nate's salary was taken up by Jeff Green and Krstic.  Green isn't resigning for free. Neither is Krstic. Neither is BBD. And D Howard is going to cost a heck of a lot of money.
People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

You do realize that KG and Ray Ray are going to be coming off the books, correct? The Celtics are saving money for a super star whether it would be a trade, or a big free agent signing. Look if you're p---ed about Ainge "lying" or Perk leaving that's your own business, just keep it to that specific thread please. Also there is no way BBD comes back for anything more than the MLE next year, otherwise he'll be a part of a sign and trade to give us even more chips for a guy like Howard. Someone will overpay for him, so he shouldn't be part of this discussion.

[droponov]

Danny could rob multiple banks and throw wads of cash at Howard...he still won't come here.

Howard will either resign with Orlando or go to LA.

Why?

[Eja117]

I find it amazing that people are saying they believe Danny Ainge when he said he thought we couldn't afford Perk, and then turn around and say Dwight Howard is option 1A and then say Danny never lied and I'm just paranoid and looking for attention or something

I picked Krstic.  I mean he's a starter in this league

Nice agenda you got there. It's getting tired. Again with the wild comparisons. Would you rather have Perkins or Howard? If Ainge signed Perkins to a long-term deal there's no way the Celtics go after Howard. I just thank God that you're not the GM.

This post would be much more enjoyable with the comments in bold removed.

oh please, the guy goes into every thread and posts the exact same thing and he clearly has no knowledge of how salaries work in the NBA, but that doesn't stop him. Try reading what other posters say , take it in, think about it, you might be able to learn something about why we couldn't afford Perk( it's not being financially responsible to keep him ) and will be in the running for Howard. Instead he just pushes forth with this Perk nonsense.

Perk's and Nate's salary was taken up by Jeff Green and Krstic.  Green isn't resigning for free. Neither is Krstic. Neither is BBD. And D Howard is going to cost a heck of a lot of money.
People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

You do realize that KG and Ray Ray are going to be coming off the books, correct? The Celtics are saving money for a super star whether it would be a trade, or a big free agent signing. Look if you're p---ed about Ainge "lying" or Perk leaving that's your own business, just keep it to that specific thread please. Also there is no way BBD comes back for anything more than the MLE next year, otherwise he'll be a part of a sign and trade to give us even more chips for a guy like Howard. Someone will overpay for him, so he shouldn't be part of this discussion.

every time someone makes some proclamation around here like "Someone will overpay for him" and "It would have taken x amount to sign Perk" it's the God's truth, and when I say "I don't believe that" I have an agenda? But nobody else has an agenda. Just me.  I ruin threads and everyone else is just a highly informed super fan.

Hey. Here's your cake. Now go eat it too.

[snively]

Perk's and Nate's salary was taken up by Jeff Green and Krstic.  Green isn't resigning for free. Neither is Krstic. Neither is BBD. And D Howard is going to cost a heck of a lot of money.
People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

You are assuming we will resign all of these guys.  Chances are we let a lot of them go or bring them back on 1 year deal like we did with Marquis last year. 
 

[The DarkPassenger]

I voted through the draft. Obviously a dream would be to land Howard but we'll have to see what happens. I looked up Howard's salary and it looks like he is signed for this season and next season and then he opted out of the season after that, am I correct with that?

So here's to the back and forth going on about Perk and Howard and cap and whatever else. They are free agents during two separate years. Perkins would have been one, if he didn't do the extension, after this season 2010-2011 that is. Howard will be one after 2011-2012 season, which would make him available for us for the 2012-2013 season.

[LooseCannon]

People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

I'm under the assumption that Ainge was willing to negotiate for a contract to be signed on the first day that Perkins would have become a free agent, with the maximum allowed for an extension under the CBA as a starting point.  Perk preferred to see what he would get on the open market, but was probably willing to let the Celtics match.  And Ainge (rightfully, in my opinion) was all "There's no f'ing way I am going to get locked into four years or more of big money for an injury-prone role player."

[barefacedmonk]

Just an example:

LA gets Howard and JJ Redick

Orlando gets Bynum and Odom

That works...its just an example though...but LA can make it work. Money is not going to be a problem for Dwight...he will get a max contract. Boston can't beat LA's weather, glamour and the chance to be a star in a city like LA (bigger market).

Kobe, Pau and Howard...that's a pretty good core...even if Kobe loses a step or two, he'll still be good....and Jerry Buss has a way of taking care of his stars...ugh..sleazebag.

[tyrone biggums]

I find it amazing that people are saying they believe Danny Ainge when he said he thought we couldn't afford Perk, and then turn around and say Dwight Howard is option 1A and then say Danny never lied and I'm just paranoid and looking for attention or something

I picked Krstic.  I mean he's a starter in this league

Nice agenda you got there. It's getting tired. Again with the wild comparisons. Would you rather have Perkins or Howard? If Ainge signed Perkins to a long-term deal there's no way the Celtics go after Howard. I just thank God that you're not the GM.

This post would be much more enjoyable with the comments in bold removed.

oh please, the guy goes into every thread and posts the exact same thing and he clearly has no knowledge of how salaries work in the NBA, but that doesn't stop him. Try reading what other posters say , take it in, think about it, you might be able to learn something about why we couldn't afford Perk( it's not being financially responsible to keep him ) and will be in the running for Howard. Instead he just pushes forth with this Perk nonsense.

Perk's and Nate's salary was taken up by Jeff Green and Krstic.  Green isn't resigning for free. Neither is Krstic. Neither is BBD. And D Howard is going to cost a heck of a lot of money.
People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

You do realize that KG and Ray Ray are going to be coming off the books, correct? The Celtics are saving money for a super star whether it would be a trade, or a big free agent signing. Look if you're p---ed about Ainge "lying" or Perk leaving that's your own business, just keep it to that specific thread please. Also there is no way BBD comes back for anything more than the MLE next year, otherwise he'll be a part of a sign and trade to give us even more chips for a guy like Howard. Someone will overpay for him, so he shouldn't be part of this discussion.

every time someone makes some proclamation around here like "Someone will overpay for him" and "It would have taken x amount to sign Perk" it's the God's truth, and when I say "I don't believe that" I have an agenda? But nobody else has an agenda. Just me.  I ruin threads and everyone else is just a highly informed super fan.

Hey. Here's your cake. Now go eat it too.

No I'm saying if you want to talk about Ainge and his ethics go post on that thread.

-We know what it would have taken to sign Perk 4 years 34 million, do you really think that's what we want to pay a starting center with little offensive ability? Remember, Perk only works as a 5th offensive option, the way our team is built we cannot give him that amount of money, while our elite players retire.

-Now once again, we need a top big man Howard is probably that guy. The C's will go all out to grab him and hopefully get him. Its an interesting time, the Celtics need to change their offensive philosophy and Howard can score in the paint, rebound and play decent defense.

[Eja117]

People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

I'm under the assumption that Ainge was willing to negotiate for a contract to be signed on the first day that Perkins would have become a free agent, with the maximum allowed for an extension under the CBA as a starting point.  Perk preferred to see what he would get on the open market, but was probably willing to let the Celtics match.  And Ainge (rightfully, in my opinion) was all "There's no f'ing way I am going to get locked into four years or more of big money for an injury-prone role player."

I just about completely agree with that. But that's different from "We couldn't afford him"

I don't really make assumptions any more. I don't assume we resign Green or not. Whatever Danny says you can't really assume he's telling the truth so I'm sorta just sorting through his bs statements while in wait and see mode.

[Eja117]

I find it amazing that people are saying they believe Danny Ainge when he said he thought we couldn't afford Perk, and then turn around and say Dwight Howard is option 1A and then say Danny never lied and I'm just paranoid and looking for attention or something

I picked Krstic.  I mean he's a starter in this league

Nice agenda you got there. It's getting tired. Again with the wild comparisons. Would you rather have Perkins or Howard? If Ainge signed Perkins to a long-term deal there's no way the Celtics go after Howard. I just thank God that you're not the GM.

This post would be much more enjoyable with the comments in bold removed.

oh please, the guy goes into every thread and posts the exact same thing and he clearly has no knowledge of how salaries work in the NBA, but that doesn't stop him. Try reading what other posters say , take it in, think about it, you might be able to learn something about why we couldn't afford Perk( it's not being financially responsible to keep him ) and will be in the running for Howard. Instead he just pushes forth with this Perk nonsense.

Perk's and Nate's salary was taken up by Jeff Green and Krstic.  Green isn't resigning for free. Neither is Krstic. Neither is BBD. And D Howard is going to cost a heck of a lot of money.
People are throwing out 9 mill for Perk.  Perk didn't go to college, but he could probably do some basic math. Knowing Rondo makes $11 there was no way he was going to go for $9, especially not with a bad knee.
People are making the assumption that because Perk got a certain amount from the Thunder that's what it would have taken us and that nobody would have been able to sit with him and say "If we pay you this much we won't be able to get a Howard or whatnot and you'll never win another ring".
These are bad assumptions.

You do realize that KG and Ray Ray are going to be coming off the books, correct? The Celtics are saving money for a super star whether it would be a trade, or a big free agent signing. Look if you're p---ed about Ainge "lying" or Perk leaving that's your own business, just keep it to that specific thread please. Also there is no way BBD comes back for anything more than the MLE next year, otherwise he'll be a part of a sign and trade to give us even more chips for a guy like Howard. Someone will overpay for him, so he shouldn't be part of this discussion.

every time someone makes some proclamation around here like "Someone will overpay for him" and "It would have taken x amount to sign Perk" it's the God's truth, and when I say "I don't believe that" I have an agenda? But nobody else has an agenda. Just me.  I ruin threads and everyone else is just a highly informed super fan.

Hey. Here's your cake. Now go eat it too.

No I'm saying if you want to talk about Ainge and his ethics go post on that thread.

-We know what it would have taken to sign Perk 4 years 34 million, do you really think that's what we want to pay a starting center with little offensive ability? Remember, Perk only works as a 5th offensive option, the way our team is built we cannot give him that amount of money, while our elite players retire.

-Now once again, we need a top big man Howard is probably that guy. The C's will go all out to grab him and hopefully get him. Its an interesting time, the Celtics need to change their offensive philosophy and Howard can score in the paint, rebound and play decent defense.

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

[snively]

Just an example:

LA gets Howard and JJ Redick

Orlando gets Bynum and Odom

That works...its just an example though...but LA can make it work. Money is not going to be a problem for Dwight...he will get a max contract. Boston can't beat LA's weather, glamour and the chance to be a star in a city like LA (bigger market).

Kobe, Pau and Howard...that's a pretty good core...even if Kobe loses a step or two, he'll still be good....and Jerry Buss has a way of taking care of his stars...ugh..sleazebag.

Of course the Lakers could make it work on the trade machine, but why would the Magic do that? 

Bynum is half the player Howard is, but he'd likely command just as high of a salary (the wonder of the "max" contract).  He's not going to be the best player on a championship team.  In fact, he hasn't even been the 3rd best player in Lakers' three consecutive finals appearances. He's a rich man's Brendan Haywood with major health question marks.

Orlando would be better off tanking for lottery picks, clearing cap space and taking advantage of their highly attractive location (warm weather, no state taxes, wealthy ownership willing to spend to contend) than locking themselves into Bynum at Howard-level money.   

[ejk3489]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

[Eja117]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

[barefacedmonk]

Just an example:

LA gets Howard and JJ Redick

Orlando gets Bynum and Odom

That works...its just an example though...but LA can make it work. Money is not going to be a problem for Dwight...he will get a max contract. Boston can't beat LA's weather, glamour and the chance to be a star in a city like LA (bigger market).

Kobe, Pau and Howard...that's a pretty good core...even if Kobe loses a step or two, he'll still be good....and Jerry Buss has a way of taking care of his stars...ugh..sleazebag.

Of course the Lakers could make it work on the trade machine, but why would the Magic do that? 

For the same reasons Cavs did a S&T for LeBron even though they hated him...its better to get something in return than not get anything at all.

[outcry]