Offensive droughts

[droopdog7]

By now, we are all familiar with the droughts that the Celts go into in a lot of games.  This pattern was obviously established and was by no means a fluke.  A combination of starters playing to many minutes and playing Rondo and Perk together a lot of times just put to much pressure on our scorers, especially in crunch time.

This is why Danny made the moves that he did.  In hindsight, they will look brilliant.  Now, Krstic is a role player that can hit open shots.  I don't expect the rebounding we saw today to continue but I do expect him to be able to hit open shots. 

I also am very excited about Green.  I am reading a lot of posters disappointed in Green today but those posters are paying attention.  Green is a do it all type that will put pressure on teams by posting up opposing 3's.  He has a very reliable mid range shot and can go out to the 3 point line.

I am pleased and excited about this year and beyond.  By the end of the year, all of the espn bone heads will look like idiots for criticizing DA the way they have.

[CelticSooner]

I made a thread about this a couple of days ago.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=44857.msg929107#msg929107

Green and Krstic will fit in fine for the C's and help relieve some of the scoring.

If the O'Neals are healthy, the C's are still the team to beat in my eyes.

[snively]

As long as the ball doesn't consistently find Big Baby with the shot clock going down, then I like almost all of our offensive options. 

[mmbaby]

It's really hard to watch the game and not recognize players by the way they move on the floor. It was confusing watching the second unit. I hope these two will help us but wasn't overly impressed.
But it was their first game and not a good indicator.
Baby needs to practice his jump shots again. He's slacking in that area and his shooting percentage has gone way down, though I still adore him.

[Change]

Its not rocket science. Celtics are an easy team to defend. Don't guard Rondo, and Don't Guard Perkins. They bring zilch on the offensive end. Its puts tremendous pressure on an older Big3 to continue to bail out them out. Hopefully the new acquisitions once and for all put an end to the droughts. We saw a little bit tonight the floor spacing. Delonte West & Nenad Krstic bring whole new dimension to this offense. The spacing was incredible. Haven't seen that much spacing since the Mosses crossed the red sea. It was beautiful to watch .

[mmbaby]

Well, yes, that does sound good. I hadn't thought of that so I guess it is rocket science to me, lol.

[Bahku]

I think not guarding Rondo is a big mistake that many teams make ... he's not a huge scoring threat, but that's not all there is to offense, (and in turn, defending it). Offense isn't just about scoring, (though many people see it that way, especially when it comes to stats), it's also about moving off the ball, passing, spacing, disrupting the defense, rebounding, (second-chance points), etc., and by backing off Rajon, teams allow him to be more effective at getting the ball to his team-mates, when and where they need it. Perk and Rondo contributed an average of over 18 pts and 13 assists per game between them ... that's a long way from zilch.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think not guarding Rondo is a big mistake that many teams make ... he's not a huge scoring threat, but that's not all there is to offense, (and in turn, defending it). Offense isn't just about scoring, (though many people see it that way, especially when it comes to stats), it's also about moving off the ball, passing, spacing, disrupting the defense, rebounding, (second-chance points), etc., and by backing off Rajon, teams allow him to be more effective at getting the ball to his team-mates, when and where they need it. Perk and Rondo contributed an average of over 18 pts and 13 assists per game between them ... that's a long way from zilch.

The problem is that Rondo very rarely takes advantage of when teams don't guard him. So while your analysis is all good and well, it's irrelevant when Rondo does nothing about it.

[Bahku]

I think not guarding Rondo is a big mistake that many teams make ... he's not a huge scoring threat, but that's not all there is to offense, (and in turn, defending it). Offense isn't just about scoring, (though many people see it that way, especially when it comes to stats), it's also about moving off the ball, passing, spacing, disrupting the defense, rebounding, (second-chance points), etc., and by backing off Rajon, teams allow him to be more effective at getting the ball to his team-mates, when and where they need it. Perk and Rondo contributed an average of over 18 pts and 13 assists per game between them ... that's a long way from zilch.

The problem is that Rondo very rarely takes advantage of when teams don't guard him. So while your analysis is all good and well, it's irrelevant when Rondo does nothing about it.

Huh? You're still thinking in terms of offense being scoring alone ... Rondo does take advantage when teams don't guard him, by getting the ball to everyone else where they need it. Rondo is the key to this team being successful on offense, and if he were doing nothing about it, he wouldn't be one of the league's leading assist-getters, or a high-rebounding Point Guard. Far from irrelevent ... unless you see offense as just scoring, (even then, he's averaging almost eleven points per game, easily placing him in the top half of all NBA PG's in scoring).

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think not guarding Rondo is a big mistake that many teams make ... he's not a huge scoring threat, but that's not all there is to offense, (and in turn, defending it). Offense isn't just about scoring, (though many people see it that way, especially when it comes to stats), it's also about moving off the ball, passing, spacing, disrupting the defense, rebounding, (second-chance points), etc., and by backing off Rajon, teams allow him to be more effective at getting the ball to his team-mates, when and where they need it. Perk and Rondo contributed an average of over 18 pts and 13 assists per game between them ... that's a long way from zilch.

The problem is that Rondo very rarely takes advantage of when teams don't guard him. So while your analysis is all good and well, it's irrelevant when Rondo does nothing about it.

Huh? You're still thinking in terms of offense being scoring alone ... Rondo does take advantage when teams don't guard him, by getting the ball to everyone else where they need it. Rondo is the key to this team being successful on offense, and if he were doing nothing about it, he wouldn't be one of the league's leading assist-getters, or a high-rebounding Point Guard. Far from irrelevent ... unless you see offense as just scoring, (even then, he's averaging over ten points per game).

No. I'm thinking that Rondo doesn't do as much off the ball movement as he should. I'm thinking that Rondo doesn't penetrate as much as he should.

It's ridiculous the amount of times players play off him and he just stands around in the perimeter watching the play develop or just waiting to get the ball back instead of using the opportunity to make a cut and force people to guard him once again or be the recipient of an easy bucket. Which he does in occasions, but for the amount of times people back off from him, it's not nearly enough.

It's what's so frustrating about the way he plays regardless of the numbers he's putting up.

[Bahku]

I think not guarding Rondo is a big mistake that many teams make ... he's not a huge scoring threat, but that's not all there is to offense, (and in turn, defending it). Offense isn't just about scoring, (though many people see it that way, especially when it comes to stats), it's also about moving off the ball, passing, spacing, disrupting the defense, rebounding, (second-chance points), etc., and by backing off Rajon, teams allow him to be more effective at getting the ball to his team-mates, when and where they need it. Perk and Rondo contributed an average of over 18 pts and 13 assists per game between them ... that's a long way from zilch.

The problem is that Rondo very rarely takes advantage of when teams don't guard him. So while your analysis is all good and well, it's irrelevant when Rondo does nothing about it.

Huh? You're still thinking in terms of offense being scoring alone ... Rondo does take advantage when teams don't guard him, by getting the ball to everyone else where they need it. Rondo is the key to this team being successful on offense, and if he were doing nothing about it, he wouldn't be one of the league's leading assist-getters, or a high-rebounding Point Guard. Far from irrelevent ... unless you see offense as just scoring, (even then, he's averaging over ten points per game).

No. I'm thinking that Rondo doesn't do as much off the ball movement as he should. I'm thinking that Rondo doesn't penetrate as much as he should.

It's ridiculous the amount of times players play off him and he just stands around in the perimeter watching the play develop or just waiting to get the ball back instead of using the opportunity to make a cut and force people to guard him once again or be the recipient of an easy bucket. Which he does in occasions, but for the amount of times people back off from him, it's not nearly enough.

It's what's so frustrating about the way he plays regardless of the numbers he's putting up.

I agree that he needs to penetrate more and attack the basket, (TP) ... I remember last year when KG was injured, and Doc told Rondo to just go for it - to attack the hoop and get into the paint more - he pretty much had his own way with every team they faced ... it was sweet. For some reason when KG is on the floor, he seems reluctant to attack that way, even along the baseline ... it's almost as if he's worried about being in KG's territory ... I know that's over-simplifying, but it's the same feeling I had last year when KG came back, and Rondo immediately stopped attacking the paint aggressively.

[Dipper]

  Rondo played so badly last night that you would have thought he had money on the game. BB was about as bad, doing his faithful imitation of "The Black Hole" (I got the ball, it's my ball and I'm gonna shoot it).

  PP and KG played, at best, OK.  Allen played well. Delonte played great. Considering it was like a pick-up game with strangers for both Kristic and Green, they played well.

[Drucci]

I agree that Krstic and Green will be huge for our offensive droughts (especially Jeff).

But I think that we're also looking the wrong way at Delonte, we all expect (or expected him since Nate is now gone) to be in the role of the playmaker/creator for the 2nd unit. He can do that (he did it in the 4th quarter yesterday, his two man game with Pierce was great) but to me his biggest strength and importance for this team is his ability to create his own shot. Sometimes he takes very tough ones but you know he can make them and his ability to penetrate and shoot, to score by himself with little time on the shot clock or no movement offensively because of tired legs is huge.

[amenhotep04]

I think as long as injuries are minimal for the rest of the season, the droughts will be gone. Krstic and Green can score. Del can score big time when he's on the floor with more than one good player. BBD drives me up the wall, but does well enough. If one of the two O'Neal's is good to go, or more, plus whomever Danny picks up, I think the drought is over and this team will be raining down all kinds of points on opponents.

As someone mentioned earlier, the spacing on the offensive end was pretty good, even when guys didn't exactly know where they were supposed to be.

[Celtics4ever]

We are a more offensively talented team after the trade.   However, we may have lost some defensively but only against teams with physical centers until we get one of the O'Neals back.

Overall, I think our talent level went up with this trade.