Is Perk better and more important than Kevin Garnett?

[greenpride32]

Please let's induct Kendrick Perkins into the Hall of Fame right now.  Didn't they waive the waiting rule for Magic Johnson?  Then they can do it for KP.  We also need to retire his #43 at the Garden ASAP and get it up in the rafters.  No other Celtic should ever don his number again.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm not following the logic.  Is your argument that we'll get farther than losing in the second round?  If so... yay, I guess.  I didn't know they handed out trophies for that.

The only thing that matters is a championship, and I don't think this trade sets us up as well for a championship run as the alternative (keep Perk + add wing) would have.

My argument is that we have a freaking good team with Perk or no Perk, so stop crying as if Ainge just killed our title chances just because of this. Even with a hurt depleted team we are very dangerous, and we're not at that level.

This is not about liking or not liking the trade, we can have healthy arguments about that, but please let's stop the season is over nonsense that quite a few here are talking as.

[hpantazo]

I'm not following the logic.  Is your argument that we'll get farther than losing in the second round?  If so... yay, I guess.  I didn't know they handed out trophies for that.

The only thing that matters is a championship, and I don't think this trade sets us up as well for a championship run as the alternative (keep Perk + add wing) would have.

My argument is that we have a freaking good team with Perk or no Perk, so stop crying as if Ainge just killed our title chances just because of this. Even with a hurt depleted team we are very dangerous, and we're not at that level.

This is not about liking or not liking the trade, we can have healthy arguments about that, but please let's stop the season is over nonsense that quite a few here are talking as.

TP. Very well put. People need to stop the nonsense panic over losing Perk. I love Perk, felt very, very bad for him to see him go, but in all honesty he was expendable.

[Roy H.]

I'm not following the logic.  Is your argument that we'll get farther than losing in the second round?  If so... yay, I guess.  I didn't know they handed out trophies for that.

The only thing that matters is a championship, and I don't think this trade sets us up as well for a championship run as the alternative (keep Perk + add wing) would have.

My argument is that we have a freaking good team with Perk or no Perk, so stop crying as if Ainge just killed our title chances just because of this. Even with a hurt depleted team we are very dangerous, and we're not at that level.

This is not about liking or not liking the trade, we can have healthy arguments about that, but please let's stop the season is over nonsense that quite a few here are talking as.

I agree that we're not doomed, and that this trade has a chance of working out.  The flip side of that coin is that I think a lot of people are significantly underrating Perk's contribution to the team.  If Perk was as bad as some people are suggesting, there's no way that OKC would have traded Green, Krstic, and a Clippers #1 for him.

[Reyquila]

Please do not insult the intelligence of the friends in here. It is insulting, no matter how you cut it. Dont even try to justify the question.

[hpantazo]

I'm not following the logic.  Is your argument that we'll get farther than losing in the second round?  If so... yay, I guess.  I didn't know they handed out trophies for that.

The only thing that matters is a championship, and I don't think this trade sets us up as well for a championship run as the alternative (keep Perk + add wing) would have.

My argument is that we have a freaking good team with Perk or no Perk, so stop crying as if Ainge just killed our title chances just because of this. Even with a hurt depleted team we are very dangerous, and we're not at that level.

This is not about liking or not liking the trade, we can have healthy arguments about that, but please let's stop the season is over nonsense that quite a few here are talking as.

I agree that we're not doomed, and that this trade has a chance of working out.  The flip side of that coin is that I think a lot of people are significantly underrating Perk's contribution to the team.  If Perk was as bad as some people are suggesting, there's no way that OKC would have traded Green, Krstic, and a Clippers #1 for him.

sometimes, just because people are willing to pay a lot for something, it doesn't mean it's really worth what they are paying. Let's see how Perk works out for them and if they actually make enough of an effort to resign him this summer.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm not following the logic.  Is your argument that we'll get farther than losing in the second round?  If so... yay, I guess.  I didn't know they handed out trophies for that.

The only thing that matters is a championship, and I don't think this trade sets us up as well for a championship run as the alternative (keep Perk + add wing) would have.

My argument is that we have a freaking good team with Perk or no Perk, so stop crying as if Ainge just killed our title chances just because of this. Even with a hurt depleted team we are very dangerous, and we're not at that level.

This is not about liking or not liking the trade, we can have healthy arguments about that, but please let's stop the season is over nonsense that quite a few here are talking as.

I agree that we're not doomed, and that this trade has a chance of working out.  The flip side of that coin is that I think a lot of people are significantly underrating Perk's contribution to the team.  If Perk was as bad as some people are suggesting, there's no way that OKC would have traded Green, Krstic, and a Clippers #1 for him.

If our team defense wasn't so good, if our other starters weren't so good, I would agree with you. But Perk's limited game vastly limits what he does for us. What he brings to the table is not hard to replicate with a decent center.

Except in some extraordinary circumstances, just about any player who has been inserted with our starters (which is pretty much 95% of Perk's playing time), our defense hasn't missed a beat and more often than not our offense has improved quite a bit.

This has nothing to do with how good Perk is defensively. This has to do with how good our defense is that what Perk adds to that just doesn't add much in the scheme of things.

More than Perk's defense, the biggest worry has to be depth at the position. Depth is this team's Achilles' heel, and we haven't screwed up with that aspect with this trade since we get a decent center in the trade.

[Roy H.]

I'm not following the logic.  Is your argument that we'll get farther than losing in the second round?  If so... yay, I guess.  I didn't know they handed out trophies for that.

The only thing that matters is a championship, and I don't think this trade sets us up as well for a championship run as the alternative (keep Perk + add wing) would have.

My argument is that we have a freaking good team with Perk or no Perk, so stop crying as if Ainge just killed our title chances just because of this. Even with a hurt depleted team we are very dangerous, and we're not at that level.

This is not about liking or not liking the trade, we can have healthy arguments about that, but please let's stop the season is over nonsense that quite a few here are talking as.

I agree that we're not doomed, and that this trade has a chance of working out.  The flip side of that coin is that I think a lot of people are significantly underrating Perk's contribution to the team.  If Perk was as bad as some people are suggesting, there's no way that OKC would have traded Green, Krstic, and a Clippers #1 for him.

sometimes, just because people are willing to pay a lot for something, it doesn't mean it's really worth what they are paying. Let's see how Perk works out for them and if they actually make enough of an effort to resign him this summer.

Sure, Sam Presti may have overpaid.  However, this isn't Chris Wallace we're talking about, it's one of the best GMs in the NBA.  He doesn't make a habit of vastly overpaying in trades, so I think it's fair to say that Perk has some legitimate value.

[snively]

  There are two components to which player (abstract, not KG vs Perk) is more important. How good the players are and how good their backups are. If Delonte gets injured so Rondo's backup is Bradley and PP's backup is Green, we're much better without Paul than without Rajon. If Green gets injured so PP's backup is Wafer and Rondo's backup is Delonte then we're much better without Rajon than without Paul.

  We used to fare better without Larry than without Robert because Wedman (Bird's backup) was a better player than Robey or Kite or the like.

I think this post nails it.  Perk's back-up is Shaq (and, God willing, Jermaine), with Baby as further depth.  Pierce and Ray going into likely match-ups with LeBron/Melo/Kobe with the pint-sized trio of West, Wafer and Bradley as their only potential back-ups. 

Danny, as ballsy as he is, wasn't satisfied with a stopgap like Jamario Moon or Anthony Parker (as I was prepared to).  Heck, it doesn't seem like he would have been satisfied with a healthy Marquis.  He wanted a legitimate 2-way player who would add a brand new dimension to an offense that headed into the tank after Shaq got shelved, Nate imploded and Baby's shooting %s started to regress. 

I'm not sure if Green is that player (he's going to have to score more efficiently to really justify the risk; wish it could have been Gerald Wallace!) but I like the line of thinking. We had 3 starting-quality centers, all injury risks and absolutely nobody of quality to back-up Pierce.

2012 certainly played a huge role as well.  If we were willing to take on a contract like Hamilton or Maggette, we could have kept Perk.  But Ainge is really looking to make a splash in free agency.

[pearljammer10]

More important? No but he certainly is close in the way that he takes out the Celtics intimidation factor. KG's rep around the league lately is a cheapshotting, weakling who just picks on the little guys, with Perk gone as his enforcer/intimidating figure, no one is going to be afraid to drive to the whole anymore.

[pearljammer10]

Just when I thought the "stick a fork in this team, we're done" was the most ridiculous thread title, this one goes and tops it.

You should see the "Danny traded the wrong member of the starting 5" 

Ha. Agreed.

[Onslaught]

More important? No but he certainly is close in the way that he takes out the Celtics intimidation factor. KG's rep around the league lately is a cheapshotting, weakling who just picks on the little guys, with Perk gone as his enforcer/intimidating figure, no one is going to be afraid to drive to the whole anymore.

I agree. The paint will be an open target for all teams. And they will go at it all day.

But they'd done that anyway because Perk sucked so bad and could only pull down 6 and 6. 

[dark_lord]

saying perk is more important than KG is like saying jar jar binks is more important than yoda

[Onslaught]

saying perk is more important than KG is like saying jar jar binks is more important than yoda

We talking the original Yoda or that digital junk in the bad movies?

[GreenFaith1819]

More important? No but he certainly is close in the way that he takes out the Celtics intimidation factor. KG's rep around the league lately is a cheapshotting, weakling who just picks on the little guys, with Perk gone as his enforcer/intimidating figure, no one is going to be afraid to drive to the whole anymore.

Well, I don't know....I think Shaq gives some pretty hard fouls....and JO? He was defending the rim at a decent clip before he was injured.

In true Celtics fashion, we'll get both of these guys back soon - just in time for the final run to April.

And maybe we can add Joel Przybilla or T-Murph? Especially Joel - that's guy's a Bruiser.