lets name the positive things about the trades today

[GranTur]

Jeff Green doesn't have too much to prove. He was a solid player for OKC for many years.

I'm excited that we have a versatile player who can score a little off of isolation and can knock down open 3s.

What remains to be seen is how he plays with the Celtics, who have a different system than OKC.

OKC is a primarily running team that doesn't run nearly as many plays as the Celtics. I'm curious to see how he does with our team. What he can do defensively will be the x-factor!

I don't really know how to rate Perkins accurately.   Depending on who you ask... he's either a poor man's Dwight Howard (with no offense, quickness or athleticism) or a rich man's Adonal Foyle.   He probably falls somewhere in the middle.  

Is he underrated?  On another team could he somehow average more than 26 minutes per game... suddenly become a consistent double-digit rebounder and average 2-3 blocks per game?... was he incredible unselfish in this system and will he suddenly see his numbers leap as dramatically as KG/Ray/Pierce's numbers dipped by joining together?...  Is he the best defensive big man in the league not named Dwight Howard?.. the "captain" of the Celtics defense?

Or is he overrated?  Good defensive big man with poor hands, limited athleticism, zero offense and happened to be in the perfect situation?  The guy has averaged 6 points, 6 rebounds and a block over his career.  He's never averaged 30 minutes per game.  The team arguably played better with elderly Shaq.   Perk's been back 12 games coming off a major surgery and this team had no trouble winning without him.  

Honestly not sure.  I will say that you frequently see key role players on championship-caliber teams overrated significantly.  You see these players a lot, hear there names a lot and overrate their impact as a result.  Perkins was key to this team, but does that really mean he's that great?   There's a reason why general NBA fans have heard of the name "Luc Longley"... and it wasn't because he was a superstar.  Longley was the role playing big man on Jordan's last 3 titles... and not surprisingly got his biggest bucks after leaving the bulls (made 11 mil his first 7 years... then 30 mil over his next 5 post-Bulls craptastic seasons).  No doubt there were several better big men in the game than Longley at the time who would have flourished just as much on that team.  Same can be said for a guy like Steve Kerr... who would have been a nobody had he not lucked into the perfect role in Chicago.  

Personally, I'm not going to be at all shocked if Perk fails to make much of an impact in OKC.  This team had 4 all-stars helping them win games... Perk wasn't one of them... and Ainge may eventually be seen as a genius for dumping the overhyped "name" his team built up for a legitimate talent in Jeff Green. For what it's worth, I've yet to see any of the names who have left this squad take off in their new digs.  Are Leon Powe, Eddie House, James Posey and Tony Allen lighting the world on fire on their new teams?  Nope.  But general NBA fans know the names of these "huge pieces".    

At the same time, I'm not going to be shocked if Perk's numbers all take a jump and becomes a key piece of a contender in OKC... really can't tell with him.  

Gut instinct:  Jeff Green is by far the best talent in the trade and Boston will find a way to replace Perk's production... we'll just look a little different.

Might seem hypocritical, but my gut says Jeff Green's talents were overshadowed by a couple phenoms... while Perk's spotlight was overly bright by playing with 4 unselfish all-stars.

Last thought... pre-big 3 Perk wasn't really that much different than current Perk... but in 2007 there's no way you'd be able to trade Perkins for a top 5 pick.   The player hasn't really changed... just the circumstances.

Friend of mine from Oklahoma City asked me to type up a summary of Perkins...here's what I came up with:

Pros: second best one-on-on post defender in game, good helper below the basket, great defensive rebounder, always hustles, enforcer

Cons: ridiculously turnover prone, has no isolation offense, sets a lot of illegal screens, fouls face-up players outside of the paint a lot, too many defensive 3 second violations

Overall: he fills a very specific role...elite below the basket defensively, average or below average for a center when speed or offense come into the equation.

[xmuscularghandix]

1. i hope Green becomes our version of Lamar Odom.
2. it'd be very interesting to see what happens with our 3 free roster spots.
3. i hope that Clippers 1st rd pick turns out to be a good one

Exactly.

I think Green could shine here, he basically told to spread the floor so that Kevin Durant could shoot 25 times a game. I think here he'll get better looks and really be able to find his game.

If Troy Murphy and another decent buyout can be brought here then this deal is excellent.

That Clippers pick could be nice because it's not from this years draft, The 2011 Draft is going to be pretty rough.



And for all those discussions everyone has had about "The Post Big 3 Era" It looks much brighter because of Jeff Green AND Avery Bradley still being here.

[guava_wrench]

I don't really know how to rate Perkins accurately.   Depending on who you ask... he's either a poor man's Dwight Howard (with no offense, quickness or athleticism) or a rich man's Adonal Foyle.   He probably falls somewhere in the middle.  

Is he underrated?  On another team could he somehow average more than 26 minutes per game... suddenly become a consistent double-digit rebounder and average 2-3 blocks per game?... was he incredible unselfish in this system and will he suddenly see his numbers leap as dramatically as KG/Ray/Pierce's numbers dipped by joining together?...  Is he the best defensive big man in the league not named Dwight Howard?.. the "captain" of the Celtics defense?

Or is he overrated?  Good defensive big man with poor hands, limited athleticism, zero offense and happened to be in the perfect situation?  The guy has averaged 6 points, 6 rebounds and a block over his career.  He's never averaged 30 minutes per game.  The team arguably played better with elderly Shaq.   Perk's been back 12 games coming off a major surgery and this team had no trouble winning without him.  

Honestly not sure.  I will say that you frequently see key role players on championship-caliber teams overrated significantly.  You see these players a lot, hear there names a lot and overrate their impact as a result.  Perkins was key to this team, but does that really mean he's that great?   There's a reason why general NBA fans have heard of the name "Luc Longley"... and it wasn't because he was a superstar.  Longley was the role playing big man on Jordan's last 3 titles... and not surprisingly got his biggest bucks after leaving the bulls (made 11 mil his first 7 years... then 30 mil over his next 5 post-Bulls craptastic seasons).  No doubt there were several better big men in the game than Longley at the time who would have flourished just as much on that team.  Same can be said for a guy like Steve Kerr... who would have been a nobody had he not lucked into the perfect role in Chicago.  

Personally, I'm not going to be at all shocked if Perk fails to make much of an impact in OKC.  This team had 4 all-stars helping them win games... Perk wasn't one of them... and Ainge may eventually be seen as a genius for dumping the overhyped "name" his team built up for a legitimate talent in Jeff Green. For what it's worth, I've yet to see any of the names who have left this squad take off in their new digs.  Are Leon Powe, Eddie House, James Posey and Tony Allen lighting the world on fire on their new teams?  Nope.  But general NBA fans know the names of these "huge pieces".    

At the same time, I'm not going to be shocked if Perk's numbers all take a jump and becomes a key piece of a contender in OKC... really can't tell with him.  

Gut instinct:  Jeff Green is by far the best talent in the trade and Boston will find a way to replace Perk's production... we'll just look a little different.

Might seem hypocritical, but my gut says Jeff Green's talents were overshadowed by a couple phenoms... while Perk's spotlight was overly bright by playing with 4 unselfish all-stars.

Last thought... pre-big 3 Perk wasn't really that much different than current Perk... but in 2007 there's no way you'd be able to trade Perkins for a top 5 pick.   The player hasn't really changed... just the circumstances.

While I am worried about this season until we sign some more guys, I do feel a bit relieved about Danny not having to re-sign Perk. With his regular injuries (shoulder in past and recently the knee) I worry about his long term viability. He is also a very limited player.

But I will really miss his interviews. He gave great answers. I am sad that OKC will not come to town again this season because I would love to see him get a standing ovation.

On the other hand, he is now on a team with 2 up and coming all stars. He has also moved closer to home. It is a great situation for him.

[guava_wrench]

1. i hope Green becomes our version of Lamar Odom.
2. it'd be very interesting to see what happens with our 3 free roster spots.
3. i hope that Clippers 1st rd pick turns out to be a good one

Exactly.

I think Green could shine here, he basically told to spread the floor so that Kevin Durant could shoot 25 times a game. I think here he'll get better looks and really be able to find his game.

If Troy Murphy and another decent buyout can be brought here then this deal is excellent.

That Clippers pick could be nice because it's not from this years draft, The 2011 Draft is going to be pretty rough.



And for all those discussions everyone has had about "The Post Big 3 Era" It looks much brighter because of Jeff Green AND Avery Bradley still being here.

Rondo + Bradley + Green = some ridiculous perimeter defense in the future.

This is a bad year to have a high pick because they will be slotted to make more money than they deserve.

[CelticSooner]

We'll see the positive things when they unfold, but for now, it seems like the summer of KG the Celtics will have the space to resign Green (if he takes the qualifying offer next year), to sign a big name free agent, and to resign KG and Ray for little money to play from the bench and retire as Celtics. And they'll have the Clippers pick and their own in the draft. Not bad.

We'll see if Green deserves to be resigned, if Nenad can be a good backup center. I guess Green will be the 6th-7th player beside BBD, with Shaq starting, and a bench of West/bought out SG/Green/BBD/Krstic. Add Wafer as 5th guard and JO or Sheed in a PJ Brown role and it would be a great 12 team. But I'm sure Danny will pickup something good in march. By tuesday we'll know who's available.

We still have the Big 4.

Bradley will be an asset in the 2012 great summer trade Danny is planning. There's a lot of positive stuff.

Go Celtics!!

The thing is, I'm not sure Ray and KG will be on the team in two years. Once Rondo emerged I think he is planning for the future while trying to contend as the Big 3's window closes.

[aporel#18]

We'll see the positive things when they unfold, but for now, it seems like the summer of KG the Celtics will have the space to resign Green (if he takes the qualifying offer next year), to sign a big name free agent, and to resign KG and Ray for little money to play from the bench and retire as Celtics. And they'll have the Clippers pick and their own in the draft. Not bad.

We'll see if Green deserves to be resigned, if Nenad can be a good backup center. I guess Green will be the 6th-7th player beside BBD, with Shaq starting, and a bench of West/bought out SG/Green/BBD/Krstic. Add Wafer as 5th guard and JO or Sheed in a PJ Brown role and it would be a great 12 team. But I'm sure Danny will pickup something good in march. By tuesday we'll know who's available.

We still have the Big 4.

Bradley will be an asset in the 2012 great summer trade Danny is planning. There's a lot of positive stuff.

Go Celtics!!

The thing is, I'm not sure Ray and KG will be on the team in two years. Once Rondo emerged I think he is planning for the future while trying to contend as the Big 3's window closes.

They could retire after the 2011/2012 season, but there's hoping for an extra year to help from the bench... Still, it's still to be seen if there's a lockout or not, and then if Danny will be using his big veteran expirings to get the Celtics in a better position.

I'd love to see the Big 3 retire in green, with at least another ring, but we'll see what happens. For now, we can appreciate the privilege of having 4 AllStars in our team. And the chance to win #18 in june is still there.

Go Celtics!!!

[BballTim]

The best news was Danny didn't have anymore healthy centers to trade.

  He traded a healthy center?

[LooseCannon]

Kendrick Perkins was a bad fit for a post-KG offense on the floor next to Rondo.  This trade may decrease the chances of winning a title this season (but not by as much as some people think....Boston should still be, at worst, co-favorites with Miami to win the East), but I think it does increase Boston's probability of winning after this season and suggests that Ainge is going to try to surround Rondo with athletic shooters.

[2short]

I don't really know how to rate Perkins accurately.   Depending on who you ask... he's either a poor man's Dwight Howard (with no offense, quickness or athleticism) or a rich man's Adonal Foyle.   He probably falls somewhere in the middle.  

Is he underrated?  On another team could he somehow average more than 26 minutes per game... suddenly become a consistent double-digit rebounder and average 2-3 blocks per game?... was he incredible unselfish in this system and will he suddenly see his numbers leap as dramatically as KG/Ray/Pierce's numbers dipped by joining together?...  Is he the best defensive big man in the league not named Dwight Howard?.. the "captain" of the Celtics defense?

Or is he overrated?  Good defensive big man with poor hands, limited athleticism, zero offense and happened to be in the perfect situation?  The guy has averaged 6 points, 6 rebounds and a block over his career.  He's never averaged 30 minutes per game.  The team arguably played better with elderly Shaq.   Perk's been back 12 games coming off a major surgery and this team had no trouble winning without him.  

Honestly not sure.  I will say that you frequently see key role players on championship-caliber teams overrated significantly.  You see these players a lot, hear there names a lot and overrate their impact as a result.  Perkins was key to this team, but does that really mean he's that great?   There's a reason why general NBA fans have heard of the name "Luc Longley"... and it wasn't because he was a superstar.  Longley was the role playing big man on Jordan's last 3 titles... and not surprisingly got his biggest bucks after leaving the bulls (made 11 mil his first 7 years... then 30 mil over his next 5 post-Bulls craptastic seasons).  No doubt there were several better big men in the game than Longley at the time who would have flourished just as much on that team.  Same can be said for a guy like Steve Kerr... who would have been a nobody had he not lucked into the perfect role in Chicago.  

Personally, I'm not going to be at all shocked if Perk fails to make much of an impact in OKC.  This team had 4 all-stars helping them win games... Perk wasn't one of them... and Ainge may eventually be seen as a genius for dumping the overhyped "name" his team built up for a legitimate talent in Jeff Green. For what it's worth, I've yet to see any of the names who have left this squad take off in their new digs.  Are Leon Powe, Eddie House, James Posey and Tony Allen lighting the world on fire on their new teams?  Nope.  But general NBA fans know the names of these "huge pieces".    

At the same time, I'm not going to be shocked if Perk's numbers all take a jump and becomes a key piece of a contender in OKC... really can't tell with him.  

Gut instinct:  Jeff Green is by far the best talent in the trade and Boston will find a way to replace Perk's production... we'll just look a little different.

Might seem hypocritical, but my gut says Jeff Green's talents were overshadowed by a couple phenoms... while Perk's spotlight was overly bright by playing with 4 unselfish all-stars.

Last thought... pre-big 3 Perk wasn't really that much different than current Perk... but in 2007 there's no way you'd be able to trade Perkins for a top 5 pick.   The player hasn't really changed... just the circumstances.

 

tp for clear thinking
we got the best player jeff green and perk can be replaced with waved bigs  sorry big guy

[Roy H.]

Jeff Green > Anthony Parker.

[droponov]

Only for the Celtic?

1. The Celtics now have a respectable, competitive, championship level wing rotation.

2. The Celtics now have a respectable small-ball line-up.

3. This suggests Ainge believes the O'Neals have a positive chance of being healthy in the playoffs.

[Jeff]

I'm not ready to start looking ahead to the offseason but I'm filing this away in the back of my mind - the Daniels trade must have created a trade exception of 2.4M that we can use within the next year - that could be very handy in the offseason or around next year's trade deadline

I would imagine we have smaller trade exceptions for Erden and Luke as well - for what that's worth

also, our cap space flexibility is maintained for 2012 and we still have expiring contracts to offer to someone like Orlando or whomever is trying to dump an expensive star this time next year

[Celtics4ever]

If Shaq stays healthy and that is a big **** "if", Danny will look like a genius.   Word has it  Jermaine is doing well and already said that he should have got the surgery earlier.  Simply put, Danny knows things we don't.  He knew he would have to overpay for Perk.  

Jeff Green is a solid player who can play 3 or 4 so he adds some versatility.   PP replacement has been found if he pans out and we resign him.  Krstic is better than Erden. I watched the Larry Bird Celtics get old and us going in the tank for years.  Rondo and Jeff Green isn't bad to start with.  

We got a nice draft pick though protected but it could be a #11 or #12 pick if we are lucky.  We add another stud and we got another solid three core if we resign Green.

I think we get some buyout guys and if one of them is a big he can start here.  That is a nice draw.  I doubt any of them will be the defender Perk was but replacing his boards won't be too hard and replacing his low post offense will be easy. Danny is a gambler but most of his gambles have paid off thus far.  He has a plan. 

REAL LOW DOWN ON PERK
People always say to pound the ball down low on the HEAT.   I wasn't exactly confident when Perk made a move down low it was like watching Rondo at the free throw line, I cringed.  I think Perk was a good low post defender.  He had size and strength.  I think he was an average rebounder though and a poor offensive player.  His hands have always been suspect for Rondo's dishes.   Shaq showed better ability to finish those passes.  That being said, Perk played with a lot of heart and was the second most important defender we have next to KG.  He will be missed and I think he did a helluva job for us.  But some folks here act like we just lost Hakeem or Wilt which simply isn't true.   I get that good bigs are hard to find but I have always thought that 7 RPG were a tad low for a center.  He was a solid player but not an all time Celtic great.

I think our biggest lost will be in morale and low post defense.   The morale issues will hurt us the next few games for sure.  The toughness Perk added was immeasurable and will be missed.

[celticinorlando]

1. depth at SF

2. Cs are more athletic
3. bench is much stronger
4. mach up better with miami
5. 3 open spots to grab guys that will contribute more than luke and erden
6. nate robinson is gone

[Greenbean]

I think we will be more talented once the 3 roster spots are filled.

If we can gel and get the chemistry down, specifically on team defense, then we are still a contender.