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Why the Perkins trade works
« on: February 24, 2011, 08:12:24 PM »

Offline CoachBo

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Apologies for the topic, but trying to add a comment on the other topics tonight is like working with a stone tablet and a chisel.

Poor Ainge can't win. This site blew up the night he traded Jeff Green for Ray Allen, and it blew up today when he reacquired him.

I'm 100 percent behind this deal, and here's why:

What I've seen from Perkins post-return: A significant lack of lift, and a decrease in lateral mobility. Will that improve? You'd hope, or Perk's career is in jeopardy. The newest knee injury is a significant concern, because favoring an injured knee often is a recipe for another one. See Powe, Leon, for further information.

What Perkins gave the C's: Defense, defense, defense. His absence will be most obvious against Dwight Howard. But here's my point: Otis Smith did more for us to control Howard than Perkins could with those awful trades. And let's be honest. Perkins was an average rebounder on a bad rebounding team, and he was little or no threat offensively on the block. Anyone really worried about anyone matching up on the block with Noah? Dampier? The Knicks? Of course not.

Personally, I thought the C's extension offer to Perkins was overpaying with that package; if he wanted more, no way.

Now, on to Jeff Green: Where people fail, miserably, in trying to craft opposition to this deal is basing their anguish on what Green's done. The determining factor is what he'll be asked to do in Boston, and all the idiot sabremetrics you can trot out on his OKC games are meaningless. God, I loathe sabremetrics and the people who rely on them to evaluate a team game.

We're going to ask Green to play significant minutes at the 3 and 4 in relief of Pierce and Garnett. Anyone got a silly sabremetric to quantify the benefit of that in the playoffs? Of course not.

Further, it's worth noting that OKC doesn't worry about defense. All I need to know about Green's ability to defend I can see with my own eyes in his feet, and I have. He will flourish defensively in the Celtics' defensive system.

Anyone seriously worried about any Kevin Garnett teammate's effort? I thought not. Green will rebound better because of where he is and what his expectations are - a bunch higher than they'll be in a system crafted for two one-on-one specialists.

Bottom line: We're not going to get any worse on the glass. Depending on who Danny fills the roster out with, we might get better. And there's a chance - a good chance, IMHO - that Green matures under Doc into the bridge star we're looking to pair with Rondo.

I respect, if not entirely understand, the attachment some Celtics fans feel to their favorite players. Personally, I don't have favorite players; I look for players who fit what my favorite team's recipe to win is.

Perkins, his legs in doubt and his financial expectations unrealistic, no longer fit that recipe. I like the move now, and I'll panic later if we get no rebounding to go with our current group.

Most of you with some time here know I am anything but an Ainge apologist; I skewer him here with regularity. But the chances are good, here, that Danny pantsed Sam Presti with this deal. I like it, and I'll go on the record tonight saying I would have made it with pride.
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Re: Why the Perkins trade works
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 08:15:18 PM »

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Baby guards Howard best...  Perk was too slow to stay with Pau Gasol...

I agree with your thoughts...  Everyone wants to believe Perk was some beast on the boards...he wasn't.  I get the impression Danny knows something we don't...
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Re: Why the Perkins trade works
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 08:20:32 PM »

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Some good points, CoachBo.

I'd add that the absence of Perk that is blamed for the Game 7 loss is a bit revisionist, too.  Sure, we needed the boards, but the offensive drought was equally to blame.  Green might help on that end.

Re: Why the Perkins trade works
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 08:21:45 PM »

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The game's about points, I agree.

I would assert, however, that you put Shaq in that Game 7 lineup, and the Celtics win the game easily because of the benefits on both ends.

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Re: Why the Perkins trade works
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 08:27:03 PM »

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It works out for both teams. Celtics wanted a wing to help them now and rebuild with in the future. Jeff Green fits the bill. OKC needed size and defense. They get that with Perk.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 08:39:46 PM »

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An additional thought: Krstic can shoot the basketball. Howard will have to contend with Shaq and Baby on the block, and then chase Nenad outside. Gonna be an interesting defensive outing for No. 12.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 08:56:08 PM »

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An additional thought: Krstic can shoot the basketball. Howard will have to contend with Shaq and Baby on the block, and then chase Nenad outside. Gonna be an interesting defensive outing for No. 12.

Yeah with Howard outside guarding Nenad it will be a play date with Rondo and the painted area.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 08:58:49 PM »

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Still early.  This could be a brilliant move that propels us to #18 and gives us a foundation for the future.  It could go the other way and blow up in our face. 

I still think there's a lot else out there.  No way Ainge gives away Erden, Harangody, and Daniels unless he's nearly certain that he can get better players. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 09:03:15 PM »

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I agree. Ainge isn't done.

Just don't see where Perkins fit in the puzzle anymore. Don't think he's done at all with the leg problems, and his financial demands are ridiculous. He more or less traded himself, as I see it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 09:07:22 PM »

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Good points, CoachBo.  I agree that Green will be a very nice piece for us defensively, matching up against the likes of LeBron, Melo, Amare and Odom.  I also like his transition skillset with Rondo.

Offensively, he's no stud but he's certainly a more dynamic presence than Marquis Daniels or Tony Allen, whose shooting deficiencies destroyed our offense when we played them with Rondo.

Not crazy about him as a piece going forward though.  He's going to want starter money and the biggest role I can see for him is 6th man.

Agree that rebounding remains a need going forward.  Troy Murphy would address that.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 09:11:41 PM »

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An additional thought: Krstic can shoot the basketball. Howard will have to contend with Shaq and Baby on the block, and then chase Nenad outside. Gonna be an interesting defensive outing for No. 12.

Yeah with Howard outside guarding Nenad it will be a play date with Rondo and the painted area.

Although on the flip side of that, Howard should be able to post Nenad up for an easy dunk.

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 09:12:10 PM »

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Again, I think that you want to avoid making any judgments about Jeff Green's value based on a defense-less system in OCK tailored exclusively for Durant and Westbrook.

Critics of this deal, flatly, are wrong basing their criticism on Green's performance in OKC. That's irrelevant. It's what he will do in a radically different system in Boston. Great feet, good quickness, long, fundamentally sound shooter who will be taking shots in Boston that the offense brings to him, rather than competing for looks in OKC.

Let's see what he does in Doc's structured system first. By all accounts, he's a very smart kid and we're not going to ask him to start.

And as for starter money, I'd feel MUCH better about paying it to Green than Perkins with those deteriorating wheels and limited skillset.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 09:23:52 PM »

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Finally, some much needed level-headedness regarding the OKC/BOS trade. We'll be fine, Ainge is a crafty guy.

Re: Why the Perkins trade works
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 09:48:17 PM »

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Thanks coachbo for an interesting post. It hurt to see perk go, but your points are good ones.

Just how good are perks knees going forward? He was slow to start with and bad knees are a concern. We don't know for sure about his knees but evidently ainge was concerned as well.

So.... Regardless the celtics have green and I hope for the best. He is talented, I watched him a few times. If he buys into the Celtic system it would be a huge boost off the bench.

Also, we have to look at this moves part of a larger plan by ainge. Trading erden and gody to cleveland for second round pick? Daniels for money? It must have been more about opening slots on the team for future signings than about a draft pick and cash.

I just hope Murphy and rip are walking through that door.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 09:48:48 PM »

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Definitely sad to see Perk go, but gotta agree with the OP and other posts.

Perk had been an anchor on D, but a black hole on offense(not like Kobe either)

Jeff Green might not had been my ideal target, but Nenad could do well on this team filling the C role either behind or in front of Shaq/Jo(should they ever return)

Haven't seen too much of JG, but as a back up role versus a starter he should thrive behind Pierce/KG.
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