Would you have traded Rondo for Deron Williams?

[mgent]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

[Megatron]

How soon some forget.

Whens the last time Deron Williams had a triple double in the playoffs, or a triple double at all for that matter.

Guess its going to take the 2011 playoffs for people to start appreciating Rondo. Since they forget every year what he does once the playoffs start.

Deron Williams career triple-doubles: 0
Rajon Rondo career triple-doubles: 12 many of which coming in the playoffs on the big stage when wins matter.

This thread is the definition of overrating a jumpshot/freethrow, Rondo is better at everything else.

A young Jason Kidd couldnt shoot either, but now hes a first ballot hall of famer and one of the top 5 best point guards of all time.

Giving up on Rondo for someone who just has a better jumpshot would be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise could ever make.

[ejk3489]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade. Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.
And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

You really think we could win the championship with Nate or DWest starting at PG? Have you seen what happens when Rondo goes out of the game?

And while DWill is a better player right now, there really isn't that much of a gap in talent between them. Obviously shooting is the glaring difference. But just because some people prefer Rondo over Williams doesn't make them blind.

[BballTim]

What evidence do you have that Rondo is a better defender than Deron?

  Aside from the fact that most people associated with the nba (coaches, gms, scouts) seem to pick Rondo when asked, do you have any evidence that Williams is as good a defender as Rondo?

Perhaps you haven't watched him play the Lakers, shoot free throws or a 20 footer.

  I'm guessing you've only seen about 1/2 of Rondo's games against the Lakers.

[BballTim]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

  I've heard people from other teams say that they'd love to play with Rondo.

[soap07]

What evidence do you have that Rondo is a better defender than Deron?

  Aside from the fact that most people associated with the nba (coaches, gms, scouts) seem to pick Rondo when asked, do you have any evidence that Williams is as good a defender as Rondo?

Perhaps you haven't watched him play the Lakers, shoot free throws or a 20 footer.

  I'm guessing you've only seen about 1/2 of Rondo's games against the Lakers.

"Seem to pick"? Both have similar opponents PER (around 14). I think they're equally good defenders. Deron doesn't gamble as much and doesn't get eaten up by bigger point guards - whereas Rondo is more likely to pick your pocket.

[Eja117]

If the trade were JO and Rondo for Derron of course you do it if Derron signs an extension.

I don't trust Rondo to make a jumper, free throw, 3 pointer, or really even just a shot in general and that's a problem.

It's particularly a problem if he doesn't have three all-stars around him

[mgent]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

  I've heard people from other teams say that they'd love to play with Rondo.

How many guys have you really heard say that?  And how many of them do you think wouldn't want to play with Williams?  Bottom line is that Pierce and Williams is the better team.

[GreenEnvy]

Tough call. Williams may be the better player, but Rondo is locked up at a very reasonable price for the next 4 seasons.

We know what Rondo brings to this team, which at times is jaw-dropping good or head-scratching bad. Williams I believe is more of a leader by example. Rondo can talk the talk from what I've read, but until he can really walk the walk, I question his ability to be the undoubted best player on a championship team.

I still believe the only PG I would deal Rondo for if the opportunity presented itself is CP3. Besides the overall talent, I think he is a guy in that circle and can actually convince D12 to come here, which is a plus (and late in games, D12 and CP3 is much better than with Rondo because both he and Dwight are horrible FT-shooters).

Rondo doesn't have the personality to convince players to sign in Boston, IMO.

[ejk3489]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

  I've heard people from other teams say that they'd love to play with Rondo.

How many guys have you really heard say that?  And how many of them do you think wouldn't want to play with Williams?  Bottom line is that Pierce and Williams is the better team.

OJ Mayo:

"If I had to choose one to play with, I think it would be (Boston's) Rajon Rondo, just because he gets guys the ball in the right spots," Mayo explained when asked to name the best in the league. "Any scorer or shooter or big man would love to play with a point guard like that."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/08/signed-for-potential-mike-conley-confident-hell-grow-into-cont/

Billups and Tyson Chandler:

Chauncey recently complemented Rondo's play to A. Sherrod Blakely from CSNNE.com, “I like playing with Rondo,” Billups said. “He’s a winner. I love playing with winners; guys that know how to play the game. Guys that every possession know what it means.”

In the same report, Tyson Chandler had similar remarks.“He’s looking every single time,” Chandler said. “For the big man, sometimes you’re guessing, ‘Is he shooting? Should I attack the boards, or is he passing?’ So it’s good to know, he’s looking to pass first.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438318-why-rajon-rondo-will-start-at-pg-in-turkeyand-why-its-no-surprise


Only guys I can think of off the top of my head, but is it really a stretch to think that guys wouldn't want to play with a pass first PG that you know will want to get you the ball every night?

[LB3533]

I've grown to love all the Celtics, but Rondo is the real deal.

That being said....you have to make this trade.

D-Will is the better overall PG. Rondo may be the better passing PG, but that's because Rondo is the "Dennis Rodman" of the assists.

I'm sure Rondo could score all day if he wanted to, but that usually doesn't lead our team to victories. Celtic wins usually equate to sharing the ball and racking up a lot of assists while locking down the opponents.

With D-Will we don't lose too much defense or passing and we gain a heck of a lot more offense. This offense can compensate if and when our team suffers another injury down the road.

Also, going forward, you build around D-Will way more effectively than with Rondo.

I love Rondo to death, but the best move for a team, for a franchise is to go with the more complete player.

[mgent]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

  I've heard people from other teams say that they'd love to play with Rondo.

How many guys have you really heard say that?  And how many of them do you think wouldn't want to play with Williams?  Bottom line is that Pierce and Williams is the better team.

OJ Mayo:

"If I had to choose one to play with, I think it would be (Boston's) Rajon Rondo, just because he gets guys the ball in the right spots," Mayo explained when asked to name the best in the league. "Any scorer or shooter or big man would love to play with a point guard like that."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/08/signed-for-potential-mike-conley-confident-hell-grow-into-cont/

Billups and Tyson Chandler:

Chauncey recently complemented Rondo's play to A. Sherrod Blakely from CSNNE.com, “I like playing with Rondo,” Billups said. “He’s a winner. I love playing with winners; guys that know how to play the game. Guys that every possession know what it means.”

In the same report, Tyson Chandler had similar remarks.“He’s looking every single time,” Chandler said. “For the big man, sometimes you’re guessing, ‘Is he shooting? Should I attack the boards, or is he passing?’ So it’s good to know, he’s looking to pass first.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438318-why-rajon-rondo-will-start-at-pg-in-turkeyand-why-its-no-surprise


Only guys I can think of off the top of my head, but is it really a stretch to think that guys wouldn't want to play with a pass first PG that you know will want to get you the ball every night?

Not at all, I never said Rondo isn't up there on everyone's list of "guys I want to play with" but is it a stretch to say that guys would rather play with a better player?  I mean getting the ball every time you're open is nice and everything but if I'm looking to sign with a team I just want the best chance of winning a ring.

[wiley]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

  I've heard people from other teams say that they'd love to play with Rondo.

How many guys have you really heard say that?  And how many of them do you think wouldn't want to play with Williams?  Bottom line is that Pierce and Williams is the better team.

OJ Mayo:

"If I had to choose one to play with, I think it would be (Boston's) Rajon Rondo, just because he gets guys the ball in the right spots," Mayo explained when asked to name the best in the league. "Any scorer or shooter or big man would love to play with a point guard like that."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/08/signed-for-potential-mike-conley-confident-hell-grow-into-cont/

Billups and Tyson Chandler:

Chauncey recently complemented Rondo's play to A. Sherrod Blakely from CSNNE.com, “I like playing with Rondo,” Billups said. “He’s a winner. I love playing with winners; guys that know how to play the game. Guys that every possession know what it means.”

In the same report, Tyson Chandler had similar remarks.“He’s looking every single time,” Chandler said. “For the big man, sometimes you’re guessing, ‘Is he shooting? Should I attack the boards, or is he passing?’ So it’s good to know, he’s looking to pass first.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438318-why-rajon-rondo-will-start-at-pg-in-turkeyand-why-its-no-surprise


Only guys I can think of off the top of my head, but is it really a stretch to think that guys wouldn't want to play with a pass first PG that you know will want to get you the ball every night?

Not at all, I never said Rondo isn't up there on everyone's list of "guys I want to play with" but is it a stretch to say that guys would rather play with a better player?  I mean getting the ball every time you're open is nice and everything but if I'm looking to sign with a team I just want the best chance of winning a ring.

PG's are like engines.  I think Rondo is a better engine than DWill.  I also think he's got better intangibles, meaning he effects the game in more ways, along the lines of what Billups was saying....

[BballTim]

What evidence do you have that Rondo is a better defender than Deron?

  Aside from the fact that most people associated with the nba (coaches, gms, scouts) seem to pick Rondo when asked, do you have any evidence that Williams is as good a defender as Rondo?

Perhaps you haven't watched him play the Lakers, shoot free throws or a 20 footer.

  I'm guessing you've only seen about 1/2 of Rondo's games against the Lakers.

"Seem to pick"? Both have similar opponents PER (around 14). I think they're equally good defenders. Deron doesn't gamble as much and doesn't get eaten up by bigger point guards - whereas Rondo is more likely to pick your pocket.

  Rondo was 1st team all defense last year, 2nd team the year before. Last year he finished 4th in DPOY voting, higher than any other guard in the league. Pretty sure coaches vote on some of those. nba.com does GM surveys at the beginning of the year. Rondo finished 1st in best on the ball defender and best passing lane defender, basically getting twice the votes as anyone else in either category. He also finished 3rd in best perimeter defender. The year before he finished tied for 1st in on the ball defender and 4th in perimeter defender. If you compare them defensively on basketballreference Rondo kills Deron. His career defensive rating is much lower and he's got close to twice the total defensive win shares from playing a little over 2/3 the minutes Deron has.

  Oh, I didn't notice Deron's name on any of those "best defender" lists that I saw.

[BballTim]

Absolutely, if you say no you're blind.  Straight up wouldn't work but if Utah wanted to do Williams for Rondo and JO or Marquis then the Celtics definitely would've made that trade.  Our team is good enough to win without Rondo and a halfway decent PG in his place, never mind if you add Deron Williams.

And who do you think is gonna command more attention in free agency, Pierce and Rondo or Pierce and Williams?

  I've heard people from other teams say that they'd love to play with Rondo.

How many guys have you really heard say that?  And how many of them do you think wouldn't want to play with Williams?  Bottom line is that Pierce and Williams is the better team.

OJ Mayo:

"If I had to choose one to play with, I think it would be (Boston's) Rajon Rondo, just because he gets guys the ball in the right spots," Mayo explained when asked to name the best in the league. "Any scorer or shooter or big man would love to play with a point guard like that."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/08/signed-for-potential-mike-conley-confident-hell-grow-into-cont/

Billups and Tyson Chandler:

Chauncey recently complemented Rondo's play to A. Sherrod Blakely from CSNNE.com, “I like playing with Rondo,” Billups said. “He’s a winner. I love playing with winners; guys that know how to play the game. Guys that every possession know what it means.”

In the same report, Tyson Chandler had similar remarks.“He’s looking every single time,” Chandler said. “For the big man, sometimes you’re guessing, ‘Is he shooting? Should I attack the boards, or is he passing?’ So it’s good to know, he’s looking to pass first.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438318-why-rajon-rondo-will-start-at-pg-in-turkeyand-why-its-no-surprise


Only guys I can think of off the top of my head, but is it really a stretch to think that guys wouldn't want to play with a pass first PG that you know will want to get you the ball every night?

Not at all, I never said Rondo isn't up there on everyone's list of "guys I want to play with" but is it a stretch to say that guys would rather play with a better player?  I mean getting the ball every time you're open is nice and everything but if I'm looking to sign with a team I just want the best chance of winning a ring.

  You're putting your ideas of what players would want over what they've said they'd want, aren't you?